Naruto Vs Sasuke (without fox or sharigan)

Who do you think would win under these circumstances.

  • Naruto

    Votes: 297 74.4%
  • Sasuke

    Votes: 102 25.6%

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My Thoughts: Well, If it was before Sasuke went to Orichimaru and got his training and stuff, I think that Naruto would win cuz when they fought before after Sasuke got out of the hospital in the original series, If Kakashi hadn't stopped them Naruto would win since after Sasuke left the fight, he looked behind the water tower thingy and Naruto's Rasengan would have killed sasuke. After Sasuke decided to go to Orichimaru, I think Sasuke would win because he also got the hard core training from orichimaru that lasted for a longer period of time then Naruto's training with Jaraiya.
 
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Sasuke would win are you ppl dumb Naruto is slow & dumb at everything Sasuke will kill him without any of that stuff its a fact ya'll pick Naruto cause he's the ****ing main charather so what Sasuke will always be stronger than Naruto cause Naruto has everything & everyone powers but to slow to use his own his Rasangan is incomplete without Sage Mode or Nine tailed Beast Mode
 
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This thread was obviously created by a fanboy of Sasuke. Not even using hard evidence or sharing insightful comments. Just your wrong I love Sasugay and don't say anything bad about him. And your comment about cursed mark being on par with the tailed beasts made me :rofl: Maybe One tail but that is is you don't believe what I do... Keep reading ;)

Nobody can say that Sasuke beat Naruto in the Valley of the End. Sure it looked like it as far as Naruto being on the ground, but there intentions or goals where 100% different. Naruto's goal was to gain acknowledgement and scratch Sasuke's forehead protector; which he did. Sasuke's goal was to kill Naruto in order to activate Mangekyou Sharingan; which he failed. Who knows what would have happened if both of them had killing intent and Naruto barreled his Rasengan in Sasuke's gut.

I honestly think it would be a well fought fight as They are both talented in their own rights. I shall try to add onto the one post on page 5 I think that broke down each of there strengths (only worthwhile post up to page 10).

Also it wasn't stated by the OP, but I am assuming that they would both have all of there powers but just turn off their abilities for this one fight. As without this background information imo hands down Naruto would win due to their overall development. Naruto would still enter sage mode but Sasuke would be able to do what??? More fire justu lol.

Sasuke Pros:

- excellent taijustsu
- excellent ninjustu
- speed (even though we haven't seen him use it in a fight)
- excellent with shuriken's
- good strategist (even without Sharingan)
- has a sword

Sasuke has a good chance at this as he displayed that he can trap people without using his Sharingan (fight with Tamari) which shows you that he has the ability to use "critical thinking" in a pinch.

He is a master with shuriken's but will be limited because he cannot summon more like in the fight with Itachi. Has a sword which will give him a reach advantage in close combat if he decides to use it. He also is good at hand to hand so with he does have a chance to get in some blows.

Speed: his speed is amazing but it seems like he just doesn't like using it as the only time we have seen it is when he tries to line up a Chidori. Or in episode 203 (I believe) when he jumped from down to Naruto's side and asked him why he was trying to get him to go back. But, what it doesn't show us is if Naruto saw his movements or not. Sure Sakura and Sai were impressed but it looked as if Naruto could see him coming.

Sasuke Cons:

- chakra
- set up times
- arrogance
- blindness
- inability to read the enemy

Here is where things get a bit interesting as Sasuke would be a tough opponent if it wasn't for his cons. Firstly, his chakra is good but it is nowhere near Naruto's we know this and it seems that all of Sasuke's finishers require tons of chakra. So sorry to say it but we probably wouldn't see him using Chidori and Kirin within the same battle against Naruto. Doing so would be his demise honestly.

Remember that he can only do so many blasts with Chidori (don't know the exact number these days) and Kirin he has to use a ton of chakra to create a thunderstorm. Also not to mention that he was in cursed mark mode when he shot all those fireballs into the sky. So can't really estimate how much chakra that would eat up.

As far as we can remember all of Sasuke's good moves take a considerable amount of time to set up. For example fight vs. oro when he used his dragon's fire technique. Even Kirin he needed the perfect set up to get it off. And part of him capturing these two was due to Sharingan to begin with and his ability to predict movements etc.

Lastly, the fool is going blind lol how in the hell is he going to tell where Naruto is at :D. Who cares if he is fast if he runs into a tree instead of his opponent

Which brings me too...

Naruto Pros:

- chakra
- excellent taijustsu
- good enough ninjustsu (kage bunshin lol)
- Rasengan, Rasen-shuriken
- will power
- strength
- decent strategist
- ability to collect intel
- set up times

Naruto I think has the upper hand on this one due to the fact that he has such a huge chakra pool. He can flat out do more damaging moves in a shorter amount of time and not get burned out. Unlike Sasuke, Naruto's moves are set up in seconds and can do heavy damage if not be fatal. He has the ability to use as many clones as he wants and he learns from them when they are destroyed.

As far as hand to hand combat Naruto is definitely stronger as we have seen him K.O. a couple people (granted he was in nine tails mode, besides Neji). He has proven the ability to set up his enemies for their demise which is a plus. Don't know if he is as good as Sasuke though in being a strategist. Lastly, he never wants to give up and will push himself to his limits.

Cons:

- hastiness
- kind of a wimp when it comes to Sasuke
- reaction time is a bit slow

When it comes to Naruto's flaws they are small but can be a huge downfall. First of all I think he cares too much about Sasuke to really kill him which would suck because Sasuke doesn't give a damn lol. So he pretty much needs to overcome his emotions to even have a chance at Sasuke.

I noticed throughout the years that Naruto, while having tons of will power has slow reaction timing. He seems to allow himself to get hit, sometimes too much and that could be a disaster against Sasuke. Lastly, he generally jumps into the deep end before checking to see if there was water in there first so to speak (lunges first thinks later). Which again, against Sasuke can lead to his demise.

All in all I think Naruto would win if he played his cards right and knew that he had to drain Sasuke's chakra first before going nutso on him. But if he gets to hasty it be his demise as Sasuke would be waiting for Naruto to screw up so he could trap him.

But then again he is almost blind so...
 
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This thread was obviously created by a fanboy of Sasuke. Not even using hard evidence or sharing insightful comments. Just your wrong I love Sasugay and don't say anything bad about him. And your comment about cursed mark being on par with the tailed beasts made me :rofl: Maybe One tail but that is is you don't believe what I do... Keep reading ;)

Nobody can say that Sasuke beat Naruto in the Valley of the End. Sure it looked like it as far as Naruto being on the ground, but there intentions or goals where 100% different. Naruto's goal was to gain acknowledgement and scratch Sasuke's forehead protector; which he did. Sasuke's goal was to kill Naruto in order to activate Mangekyou Sharingan; which he failed. Who knows what would have happened if both of them had killing intent and Naruto barreled his Rasengan in Sasuke's gut.

I honestly think it would be a well fought fight as They are both talented in their own rights. I shall try to add onto the one post on page 5 I think that broke down each of there strengths (only worthwhile post up to page 10).

Also it wasn't stated by the OP, but I am assuming that they would both have all of there powers but just turn off their abilities for this one fight. As without this background information imo hands down Naruto would win due to their overall development. Naruto would still enter sage mode but Sasuke would be able to do what??? More fire justu lol.

Sasuke Pros:

- excellent taijustsu
- excellent ninjustu
- speed (even though we haven't seen him use it in a fight)
- excellent with shuriken's
- good strategist (even without Sharingan)
- has a sword

Sasuke has a good chance at this as he displayed that he can trap people without using his Sharingan (fight with Tamari) which shows you that he has the ability to use "critical thinking" in a pinch.

He is a master with shuriken's but will be limited because he cannot summon more like in the fight with Itachi. Has a sword which will give him a reach advantage in close combat if he decides to use it. He also is good at hand to hand so with he does have a chance to get in some blows.

Speed: his speed is amazing but it seems like he just doesn't like using it as the only time we have seen it is when he tries to line up a Chidori. Or in episode 203 (I believe) when he jumped from down to Naruto's side and asked him why he was trying to get him to go back. But, what it doesn't show us is if Naruto saw his movements or not. Sure Sakura and Sai were impressed but it looked as if Naruto could see him coming.

Sasuke Cons:

- chakra
- set up times
- arrogance
- blindness
- inability to read the enemy

Here is where things get a bit interesting as Sasuke would be a tough opponent if it wasn't for his cons. Firstly, his chakra is good but it is nowhere near Naruto's we know this and it seems that all of Sasuke's finishers require tons of chakra. So sorry to say it but we probably wouldn't see him using Chidori and Kirin within the same battle against Naruto. Doing so would be his demise honestly.

Remember that he can only do so many blasts with Chidori (don't know the exact number these days) and Kirin he has to use a ton of chakra to create a thunderstorm. Also not to mention that he was in cursed mark mode when he shot all those fireballs into the sky. So can't really estimate how much chakra that would eat up.

As far as we can remember all of Sasuke's good moves take a considerable amount of time to set up. For example fight vs. oro when he used his dragon's fire technique. Even Kirin he needed the perfect set up to get it off. And part of him capturing these two was due to Sharingan to begin with and his ability to predict movements etc.

Lastly, the fool is going blind lol how in the hell is he going to tell where Naruto is at :D. Who cares if he is fast if he runs into a tree instead of his opponent

Which brings me too...

Naruto Pros:

- chakra
- excellent taijustsu
- good enough ninjustsu (kage bunshin lol)
- Rasengan, Rasen-shuriken
- will power
- strength
- decent strategist
- ability to collect intel
- set up times

Naruto I think has the upper hand on this one due to the fact that he has such a huge chakra pool. He can flat out do more damaging moves in a shorter amount of time and not get burned out. Unlike Sasuke, Naruto's moves are set up in seconds and can do heavy damage if not be fatal. He has the ability to use as many clones as he wants and he learns from them when they are destroyed.

As far as hand to hand combat Naruto is definitely stronger as we have seen him K.O. a couple people (granted he was in nine tails mode, besides Neji). He has proven the ability to set up his enemies for their demise which is a plus. Don't know if he is as good as Sasuke though in being a strategist. Lastly, he never wants to give up and will push himself to his limits.

Cons:

- hastiness
- kind of a wimp when it comes to Sasuke
- reaction time is a bit slow

When it comes to Naruto's flaws they are small but can be a huge downfall. First of all I think he cares too much about Sasuke to really kill him which would suck because Sasuke doesn't give a damn lol. So he pretty much needs to overcome his emotions to even have a chance at Sasuke.

I noticed throughout the years that Naruto, while having tons of will power has slow reaction timing. He seems to allow himself to get hit, sometimes too much and that could be a disaster against Sasuke. Lastly, he generally jumps into the deep end before checking to see if there was water in there first so to speak (lunges first thinks later). Which again, against Sasuke can lead to his demise.

All in all I think Naruto would win if he played his cards right and knew that he had to drain Sasuke's chakra first before going nutso on him. But if he gets to hasty it be his demise as Sasuke would be waiting for Naruto to screw up so he could trap him.

But then again he is almost blind so...
im sasuke didnt intend to kill naruto at the final valley, he said he will obtain power his own way...and i can believe u think naruto has good taijutsu...smh i hate reading things that doesnt make me agree with ppl...sasugay will beat naruto with no cursed mark/kyuubi ect....as much as i hate to admit that, cuz me i like naruto more than sasuke, so its not biased..:cool:
 

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Naruto will own sasuke....

without sharingan...sasuke is not sasuke...sasuke will not be an uchiha...sasuke will be a whimp....

without kyuubi and sage mode...Naruto is still Naruto...Naruto will always be an Uzumaki----with great chakra(perhaps less 50%) better than sasuke's...Naruto will still be badass....

...but this thread is supposedly re-aligned....the common point is very unfair for sasuke...

nevertheless...Naruto and sasuke will find it to themselves that they will have to work together to achieve PEACE in the shinobi land...

goddammmm comparison is nifty.....
 

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yes narutos giant rasengan has far more power than sasukes chidori used without sharingan.
naruto wins ninjutsu
sasuke has no powerful genjutsu
Taijutsu? i dont know.
 

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one thing i would like to say is that, the chidori can only be used effectively with the sharingan, destroying sasukes main attack therefor sasuke loses naruto wins
 
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Sasuke,cause he'l still have mongekyo sharingan and Naruto would just have sage mode.That wont work because sage mode takes time to activate and Sasuke is very fast in his actions.
He just said absolutely NO Sharingan or Sage Mode. Please... The whole point is to see would win without their defining trait... It even says so in the thread TITLE!
 
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Sasuke without the Sharingan. What does he have? His 'talent' was because of the Sharingan. Chidori is only usable with the Sharingan, well not only usable but it would be sub-par as he wouldn't be able to move fast enough to use it to its fullest. Naruto! He is an Uzumaki with high vitality and strength. I don't know if he would have a lot of chakra without the 9-tails' chakra being mixed in with his but I believe he would still be able to pull off his only 2 jutsu *cough*Shadow clone*cough*Rasengan*cough* :3
 

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Naruto in sage mode > Sasuke Ms . It has been Said by zetsu

Naruto in Sage mode with Sasuke no m ? Ahahah ;) dont be joking


He just said absolutely NO Sharingan or Sage Mode. Please... The whole point is to see would win without their defining trait... It even says so in the thread TITLE!
he did not say no sage mode , he said no fox mode and no summonings


you are the one to read carefully
 
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Naruto in sage mode > Sasuke Ms . It has been Said by zetsu

Naruto in Sage mode with Sasuke no m ? Ahahah ;) dont be joking




he did not say no sage mode , he said no fox mode and no summonings


you are the one to read carefully
Who do you think would win in a fight..

--Naruto cant use fox chakra or sage mode!

--Sasuke cant use sharigan or curse mark!

--Plus no summonings!!
You didn't read at all did you?
 
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one thing i would like to say is that, the chidori can only be used effectively with the sharingan, destroying sasukes main attack therefor sasuke loses naruto wins
But remember that he has Chidori Nagashi and he doesn't need the speed for that one. But, some of these posts would have people believe that Sasuke would be able to preform all of his core jutsu's that don't envolve Sharigan and I think that this would be false as well. No way Sasuke would have enough energy to do Chidori - Kirin on Naruto.
 

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Why can't Naruto use sage mode? It doesn't stem from the 9 Tails. Naruto uses his own chakra for sage mode. So it seems a bit unfair to take away sage mode...he learned it. Sharingan is comparable to fox so I see why those two can be taken away fairly but sage mode doesn't have to do with the fox.

Anyway Naruto would just spam shadow clones and rasengan and beat sasuke.
Sasuke wouldn't have any chidori jutsu since they are based on him having the processing speed the sharingan gives. So sasuke only has fire jutsu...

That isn't worth considering.

And no I am not a Naruto fan. I am a Naruto and Sasuke fan. But I don't see any way Sasuke can win without his sharingan.

No matter his strategical skills, he fails to execute without the sharingan helping him process.

Quick question: Does Naruto have FTG?
 

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i think i've seen quite a few posts of people arguing naruto with hundreds or even a thousand clones would dominant but that simply isn't possible without the fox. Before you argue that you've seen it before without any tailed modes or when he wasn't aware of the fox's power, etc. It doesn't really matter the fact of the matter is he could only do it with the bijuu's extra chakra capacity.

The closest thing we have to actual information about how great his regular stamina would be is kakashi's statement during his wind training. I believe he said naruto's chakra reserves were 4x greater than his own when suppressing the ninetails. So, think of his clones in that regard he would be able to use 4x (maybe a bit more) than kakashi would. In all the battles i can remember off hand, kakashi has yet to use more than a handful. Though, it isn't his style and he tries to conserve chakra as well. So really, naruto using a dozen upwards to maybe thirty or so would be a stretch but one you could argue since shadow clones happen to be his main style.
when he fought gara
 

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But remember that he has Chidori Nagashi and he doesn't need the speed for that one. But, some of these posts would have people believe that Sasuke would be able to preform all of his core jutsu's that don't envolve Sharigan and I think that this would be false as well. No way Sasuke would have enough energy to do Chidori - Kirin on Naruto.
without sharingan he would not be able to effectivly able to use Kirin because he would not be able to predict narutos movements in order to launch it in the right place

Sasuke's speed can only be accesed through his sharingan because he copied it from lee so he is really about the same speed as naruto.

now i know people are going to argue with this saying kakashi can do techniques he copied without his sharingan but you would be wrong because for one kakashi's sharingan is always active plus if you notice anytime he does a copied technique his sharingan is showing.

the end note is i still believe naruto would win for the fact that he can use his strongest attack and sasuke can not.

Sasuke without sharingan =
-kirin (no effective use)
-lose of great speed
-chidori (no effective use)
-no amartsu
-no Sasunno
-no takasuma
+chidori variations
+fire jutsu

Naruto without sage =
-no throwing rasengan
+retains all other skills
 

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without sharingan he would not be able to effectivly able to use Kirin because he would not be able to predict narutos movements in order to launch it in the right place

Sasuke's speed can only be accesed through his sharingan because he copied it from lee so he is really about the same speed as naruto.

now i know people are going to argue with this saying kakashi can do techniques he copied without his sharingan but you would be wrong because for one kakashi's sharingan is always active plus if you notice anytime he does a copied technique his sharingan is showing.

the end note is i still believe naruto would win for the fact that he can use his strongest attack and sasuke can not.

Sasuke without sharingan =
-kirin (no effective use)
-lose of great speed
-chidori (no effective use)
-no amartsu
-no Sasunno
-no takasuma
+chidori variations
+fire jutsu

Naruto without sage =
-no throwing rasengan
+retains all other skills
Wow, I guess I'm not the only one with a brain here...

And now the show begins. I will take all the jutsu Naruto and Sasuke posses and eliminate the ones this thread doesn't allow.

AND GO!!!

Naruto

Work
All Directions Shuriken-Still has shadow clones, works
Big Ball Rasengan-Can still use shadow clones for bigger rasengan, works
Clone Body Blow-Can still use shadow clones, works
Clone Spinning Heel Drop (Anime only)-Can still use shadow clones, works
Harem Technique-Can still transform, works
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique-Can still make shadow clones, works
New Sexy Technique-Can still transform, works
One Thousand Years of Death-Still works
Rasengan-Can still make Rasengan, works
Sexy Technique-Can still transform, works
Shadow Clone Technique-Can still make shadow clones, works
Shadow Shuriken Technique-Can still make shadow clones, works
Torii Seal (Manga only)-No 9 Tails, doesn't work
Ultra-Many Spiralling Serial Spheres-Can still use shadow clones and rasengan, works
Uzumaki Formation (Anime only)-Can still use shadow clones, works
Uzumaki Naruto Combo-Can still use shadow clones, works
Uzumaki Naruto Two Thousand Combo-Can still use shadow clones, works
Wind Release: Rasengan-Still has wind release and can use rasengan, works
Wind Release: Rasenshuriken-Still has wind release and rasengan, works

Don't Work

Combination Transformation-No summoning, doesn't work Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet (Anime only)-No summoning, doesn't work Frog Kata-No sage mode, doesn't work Mini-Rasenshuriken (Manga only)-Can't go into 9 Tails mode, doesn't work Negative Emotions Sensing (Manga only)-No 9 Tails, doesn't work Nine-Tailed Fox Sonic Roar-No 9 Tails, doesn't work Pachinko Technique (Anime only)-Nope Sage Art: Big Ball Rasengan-No Sage Mode, doesn't work Sage Art: Many Ultra-Big Ball Spiralling Serial Spheres (Manga only)-No Sage Mode, doesn't work Sage Art: Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan (Manga only)-No Sage Mode, doesn't work Sage Mode-No Sage Mode, doesn't work Sage Technique: Spiralling Serial Spheres-No Sage Mode, doesn't work Spiralling Absorption Sphere (Manga only)-No 9 Tails, doesn't work Spiralling Strife Spheres (Manga only) -No 9 Tails, doesn't work Summoning Technique (Toads)-No summoning, doesn't work Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique (Manga only)-No summoning, doesn't work Tailed Beast Chakra Arms-No 9 Tails, doesn't work Tailed Beast Rasengan (Manga only)-No 9 Tails,doesn't work Typhoon Water Vortex Technique-No Yamato help, doesn't work Wind Release: Toad Gun (Anime only)-No summoning, doesn't work Wind Release: Toad Oil Bullet (Anime only)-No summoning, doesn't work Wind Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet (Anime only)-No summoning, doesn't work


Sasuke

Work​

Chidori Current
Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Manipulated Shuriken Technique
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades
Shadow Shuriken Technique
Sword of Kusanagi: Chidori Katana

Don't Work

Amaterasu-No Sharingan Amaterasu Shield-No Sharingan Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi-No Sharingan Body Flame Technique-No Sharingan Body Shedding-Orochimaru is no longer absorbed within Sasuke Chidori-No Sharingan Chidori Senbo-Not able to be aimed without Sharingan Chidori Sharp Spear-Not enough accuracy without sharingan Cursed Seal of Heaven-No seal Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique-No Sharingan Hidden Shadow Snake Hands-Orochimaru is no longer absorbed within Sasuke Kirin-Not enough accuracy without Sharingan Lion Combo-Copied with sharingan Pachinko Technique (Anime only)-Not Peregrine Falcon Drop (Anime only)-Copied with Sharingan Shadow of the Dancing Leaf-Copied with Sharingan Snake Authority Spell-No more Orochimaru within sasuke Strong Fist-Copied with Sharingan Summoning Technique (Hawks, Snakes)-No summoning Summoning: Lightning Blade Creation-No summoning Susanon-No Sharingan Susanoo Genjutsu-No sharingan Tsukuyomi-No sharingan


So I think that means Naruto will probably win since he has some powerful skills left, unlike Sasuke.

I am not a Naruto fan. I am a Naruto and Sasuke fan. But in this situation I see no way for Sasuke to win.

Oppose or agree...the end is the same.
 
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