Naruto Vs Sasuke (without fox or sharigan)

[666]

remember when naruto took sasuke down with 5 clones. imagine 1000 and all sasuke has is fire so yeah

When did he take down Sasuke with 5 clones?

and naruto could not control his chakra only because of the fox now stfu

Because Naruto couldn't control his chakra, Sasuke wasn't the #1 rookie? Just stop.

dude the numbers are from databook 3 they have EQUAL 3.5 TAIJUTSU
they only clash jutsus under circustances and tht was at valley of end(cant count tht cuz they both changed) and the recent episode 2 get in sasukes intentions. u really think the first thing they are gonna do wen they are REALLY ging 2 fight is collide jutsu? they arent like that.U ACT AS IF NARUTO NEVER GOT BETTER SAYING "BEGINNING OF NARUTO"
DUDE IM NOT FAVORING EITHER OF THEM IM JUST STATING WHO THINK WUD WIN BASED ON THE STATEMENTS I SAID IN THT BIG PARAGRAPH B4.
I GIVE IT 2 NARUTO

I respect your opinion, but Sasuke is better at Ninjutsu, Genjutsu than Naruto. I think Sasuke's skills > Naruto's power, but that's just me.

Wow your right. There is no way naruto can outmatch Sauske...What was I thinking.


Lets stop. Ok now...lets remove the fox from naruto and eyes of doom from Sauske. Who would win? You said it your self that naruto would "because he is overpowered" due to his Sage Mode...What ever the reason Naruto wins cause Sauske is as blind as a bat without those eyes. Proves naruto don't need the fox and Sauske DEPENDS on his KKG

This should conclude the thread no? Your the only real troll whos rooting for him and you yourself have admitted that Naruto would.

Sage Mode was suppose to rival Mangekyo Sharingan, and why can't Sasuke use what he was naturally born with to fight? It's just as much his as Sage Mode is Naruto's bro.

 

[Kaedon]

I think I've seen quite a few posts of people arguing Naruto with hundreds or even a thousand clones would dominant but that simply isn't possible without the fox. Before you argue that you've seen it before without any tailed modes or when he wasn't aware of the fox's power, etc. It doesn't really matter the fact of the matter is he could only do it with the Bijuu's extra chakra capacity.

The closest thing we have to actual information about how great his regular stamina would be is Kakashi's statement during his wind training. I believe he said Naruto's chakra reserves were 4x greater than his own when suppressing the ninetails. So, think of his clones in that regard he would be able to use 4x (maybe a bit more) than Kakashi would. In all the battles I can remember off hand, Kakashi has yet to use more than a handful. Though, it isn't his style and he tries to conserve chakra as well. So really, Naruto using a dozen upwards to maybe thirty or so would be a stretch but one you could argue since shadow clones happen to be his main style.

 

[Wparker6804]

666:
Worked for it? He was naturally born with large amounts of chakra and let's not forget he has the main character no jutsu.
Okay, he was born with alot of chakra, but he still gave hard work AND the kyubii corrupted and interfered with his ability to focus and control his natural chakra. That's why he had a hrd time training. Despite this major setback, he was still victorious in his training. I mean, Kakashi has verry little chakra and Rock Lee can't even use his (unless you count the gates) and they're still Jonin.

666:
Yet Sage Mode was useless, and a Rasengan beat Pain..
Useless!? He took out five of the six pains with it! Have you even read anny of the manga? Naruto just used Deva's Edo Tensai gap to hit him with a rasengan. It was a clever move on Naruto's part.

666:
Sage Mode was learnt in days by Naruto, Sage Mode is incomplete in years by Jiraiya.
Yes, because NARUTO HAD DETERMINATION AND HARD WORK. And they've made the point countless times that futer generations pass the previous. It shows Naruto's greatest characteristic. Sage mode wasn't just some cheap buff that was given to Naruto. It wasn't just handed t hi like Susano'o or Itachi's eyes, he earned it.

666:
Sasuke is again, naturally better than Naruto, so he wins.
A quote from the 1776 Contenental congress, June 13.
Richard Morris: "Mr. Secritary, Have you ever been at a meeting of the New York Legislature? Thye've never sent us explisit instructions on annything, because they speak verry loud and verry fast, but nobody listens to annybody with the result that nothing ever gets done."

Now, yes. Sasuke is powerful and intellegent--I'm not denying that. And if they get in a fight, setbacks or not, it will be extreemly close. But no one here is listening to the other person's point, only there own. And I'm not doing this to spit in your face, pal--please don't get that impression. I'm just saying that no one is giving the other side anny credit. Yes, they are both powerful, I just don't like Sasuke because of HOW or WHY he has it, and because of his character. Sasuke has skill, no mistake, but I think he's taken the easy or cheap way out far to many times. I've not been posting on "who's stronger," I've been posting on the subject that Naruto works hard for ALL of his techs (not so much with Sasuke), and he's a respectable determined character.

The reason I voted for Naruto is because I like him more than Sasuke and I think he can win--Not because I think Sasuke is inferior. I just don't like Sasuke because he's a leech and doesn't work for his latest powers like naruto has. What's the point of posting if "nobody listens to anybody" because thin we're just hearing ourselfs talk and "nothing ever gets done."

 

[Futon Kunoichi]

When did he take down Sasuke with 5 clones?



Because Naruto couldn't control his chakra, Sasuke wasn't the #1 rookie? Just stop.



Sage Mode was suppose to rival Mangekyo Sharingan, and why can't Sasuke use what he was naturally born with to fight? It's just as much his as Sage Mode is Naruto's bro.

Sasuke was the #1 Rookie. ....So? That was more than 3 years ago. A lot of stuff happened between then and now.

The whole point of this debate was to match Naruto and Sasuke against each other without what they were born with. And we're not giving Naruto Sage Mode, so I've no idea why you think Sasuke should be able to use MS...

 

[666]

Okay, he was born with alot of chakra, but he still gave hard work AND the kyubii corrupted and interfered with his ability to focus and control his natural chakra. That's why he had a hrd time training. Despite this major setback, he was still victorious in his training. I mean, Kakashi has verry little chakra and Rock Lee can't even use his (unless you count the gates) and they're still Jonin.

Kyubi has been a curse/blessing, I agree.
But do you agree he wouldn't have as much chakra without Kyubi?

Useless!? He took out five of the six pains with it! Have you even read anny of the manga? Naruto just used Deva's Edo Tensai gap to hit him with a rasengan. It was a clever move on Naruto's part.

Because 5/6 of them were useless? If Nagato was fully healthy, he would stomp Naruto.


Yes, because NARUTO HAD DETERMINATION AND HARD WORK. And they've made the point countless times that futer generations pass the previous. It shows Naruto's greatest characteristic. Sage mode wasn't just some cheap buff that was given to Naruto. It wasn't just handed t hi like Susano'o or Itachi's eyes, he earned it.


It actually was, because they needed a way to put Naruto on par with Sasuke, right??

A quote from the 1776 Contenental congress, June 13.
Richard Morris: "Mr. Secritary, Have you ever been at a meeting of the New York Legislature? Thye've never sent us explisit instructions on annything, because they speak verry loud and verry fast, but nobody listens to annybody with the result that nothing ever gets done."

Now, yes. Sasuke is powerful and intellegent--I'm not denying that. And if they get in a fight, setbacks or not, it will be extreemly close. But no one here is listening to the other person's point, only there own. And I'm not doing this to spit in your face, pal--please don't get that impression. I'm just saying that no one is giving the other side anny credit. Yes, they are both powerful, I just don't like Sasuke because of HOW or WHY he has it, and because of his character. Sasuke has skill, no mistake, but I think he's taken the easy or cheap way out far to many times. I've not been posting on "who's stronger," I've been posting on the subject that Naruto works hard for ALL of his techs (not so much with Sasuke), and he's a respectable determined character.

The reason I voted for Naruto is because I like him more than Sasuke and I think he can win--Not because I think Sasuke is inferior. I just don't like Sasuke because he's a leech and doesn't work for his latest powers like naruto has. What's the point of posting if "nobody listens to anybody" because thin we're just hearing ourselfs talk and "nothing ever gets done."

That's why this thread needs to close, it's basically Naruto fans vs. Sasuke fans.

Sasuke was the #1 Rookie. ....So? That was more than 3 years ago. A lot of stuff happened between then and now.

The whole point of this debate was to match Naruto and Sasuke against each other without what they were born with. And we're not giving Naruto Sage Mode, so I've no idea why you think Sasuke should be able to use MS...

I'm debating with people that believe Sage Mode should be in Naruto's arsenal because he learnt it, countering by saying Sasuke learnt Sharingan.

 

[Kaedon]

666:


The reason I voted for Naruto is because I like him more than Sasuke and I think he can win--Not because I think Sasuke is inferior. I just don't like Sasuke because he's a leech and doesn't work for his latest powers like naruto has. What's the point of posting if "nobody listens to anybody" because thin we're just hearing ourselfs talk and "nothing ever gets done."

I don't think you're being fair in this regard. Using the sharingan and Orochimaru to further his own training doesn't make him a "leech" or any less hard working than Naruto. Naruto has relied on the Fox as much as Sasuke has on his sharingan, they have both had exceptional teachers as well. They use the tools they are given, nothing more, nothing less. If they both had the exact same teachers and raw stats, you would see very similar results because they both have heavy motivations for training and becoming stronger. Different, yes but both have the drive and capacity to become as strong as they possibly can.

 

[Wparker6804]

all sasuke has in this battle are fire techs and lightning going thru his body. he cant use chidori withut sharingan or naruto wud counter it easily.dnt say naruto cant counter becuz he can, he doesnt suk at fighting hes excellent.he seen chidori a million times. sasuke gets tunnel vision and cant see wen running with chidori. rasengan doesnt need speed 2 be effective. kirin wud take 2 long 2 prepare and naruto wudnt give him any time. if naruto used multi shadowclone sasuke wudnt kno which is the real naruto without his sharingan.plus we all saw how devestating it was even against shinra tensei, so tht chidori surrounding thing sasuke does wuldnt do much. naruto knos how 2 play tricks with his shadowclones and im sure he cud get sasuke in a trap and hit him with rasenshuriken.dnt say he cant cuz he done it b4 and he gets every1 with his shadowclone tricks. plus without the fox naruto has ten times more chakra which cud be 100x more chakra and better chakra control. Naruto have equal 3.5 taijutsu. Naruto has 3.5 speed and Sasuke has 4. not big of a difference. Sasuke 3 intelligence(sharingan obviosly) Naruto 2.5 intelligence. Naruto stamina is 5. Sasuke is 3. Sasuke cant use sharingan so have his so calle "amazing" smarts are out the window. No genjutsu,no fighting(i kno 4 a fact sasuke cant handle naruto taijutsu without sharingan), half his ninjutsu arsenal unusable. U just think sasuke wuld bash naruto without sharingan dont you. Dude it is impossible 4 him.

Uh, hey pal (@Jokule67). I was the one 666 was quoting in bold. I'm not tringto be a smarta......elec. Were you agreeing with me or him? I can't tel and I hate jumping to assumptions.

 

[Jokule67]

Okay, he was born with alot of chakra, but he still gave hard work AND the kyubii corrupted and interfered with his ability to focus and control his natural chakra. That's why he had a hrd time training. Despite this major setback, he was still victorious in his training. I mean, Kakashi has verry little chakra and Rock Lee can't even use his (unless you count the gates) and they're still Jonin.

Kyubi has been a curse/blessing, I agree.
But do you agree he wouldn't have as much chakra without Kyubi?

Useless!? He took out five of the six pains with it! Have you even read anny of the manga? Naruto just used Deva's Edo Tensai gap to hit him with a rasengan. It was a clever move on Naruto's part.

Because 5/6 of them were useless? If Nagato was fully healthy, he would stomp Naruto.


Yes, because NARUTO HAD DETERMINATION AND HARD WORK. And they've made the point countless times that futer generations pass the previous. It shows Naruto's greatest characteristic. Sage mode wasn't just some cheap buff that was given to Naruto. It wasn't just handed t hi like Susano'o or Itachi's eyes, he earned it.


It actually was, because they needed a way to put Naruto on par with Sasuke, right??

A quote from the 1776 Contenental congress, June 13.
Richard Morris: "Mr. Secritary, Have you ever been at a meeting of the New York Legislature? Thye've never sent us explisit instructions on annything, because they speak verry loud and verry fast, but nobody listens to annybody with the result that nothing ever gets done."

Now, yes. Sasuke is powerful and intellegent--I'm not denying that. And if they get in a fight, setbacks or not, it will be extreemly close. But no one here is listening to the other person's point, only there own. And I'm not doing this to spit in your face, pal--please don't get that impression. I'm just saying that no one is giving the other side anny credit. Yes, they are both powerful, I just don't like Sasuke because of HOW or WHY he has it, and because of his character. Sasuke has skill, no mistake, but I think he's taken the easy or cheap way out far to many times. I've not been posting on "who's stronger," I've been posting on the subject that Naruto works hard for ALL of his techs (not so much with Sasuke), and he's a respectable determined character.

The reason I voted for Naruto is because I like him more than Sasuke and I think he can win--Not because I think Sasuke is inferior. I just don't like Sasuke because he's a leech and doesn't work for his latest powers like naruto has. What's the point of posting if "nobody listens to anybody" because thin we're just hearing ourselfs talk and "nothing ever gets done."

That's why this thread needs to close, it's basically Naruto fans vs. Sasuke fans.

Sasuke was the #1 Rookie. ....So? That was more than 3 years ago. A lot of stuff happened between then and now.

The whole point of this debate was to match Naruto and Sasuke against each other without what they were born with. And we're not giving Naruto Sage Mode, so I've no idea why you think Sasuke should be able to use MS...

I'm debating with people that believe Sage Mode should be in Naruto's arsenal because he learnt it, countering by saying Sasuke learnt Sharingan.

THIS IS THE LAST IMA POST ON THIS THREAD. sasuke did not learn sharingan.dude it was a giveaway powerup. sasuke always leveled up sharingan thru emotional stages...no training. it was lyk dbz with sasuke. especially when he boohoo cried and got Mangekyo. it was lyk waa BAAM ssj1 waa BAAM ssj2 . with sasuke it was stupid cuz he didnt even practice with ms yet he knew how 2 do amaterasu better than itachi(freakin ridiculous).

 

[666]

THIS IS THE LAST IMA POST ON THIS THREAD. sasuke did not learn sharingan.dude it was a giveaway powerup. sasuke always leveled up sharingan thru emotional stages...no training. it was lyk dbz with sasuke. especially when he boohoo cried and got Mangekyo. it was lyk waa BAAM ssj1 waa BAAM ssj2 . with sasuke it was stupid cuz he didnt even practice with ms yet he knew how 2 do amaterasu better than itachi(freakin ridiculous).

Sasuke is naturally the best ninja in the series, Naruto is the hardest working ninja in the series. I think that's what Kishi is trying to put out!

 

[UchihaAxel]

would this fight be before or after the time skip?

 

[Michigan Kidd DaeDae]

in all honesty its up to kishi but in my opinion a better poll would be w/o any powers at all just straight up combat with knowledge and skills that sasuke would demolish naruto i mean im not taking nothing away from neither of them their both great ninjas to me but i really dont think its a fair fight how it is today even with jutsus and stuff because naruto is sooooo overrated that it dosent make sense compared to sasuke and most of you all know it you just dont want to admit it but seriously if they faught right now it would be a blow out this boy naruto has almost every sweet power the real statement is that when they do fight if they do if sasuke even makes naruto break a sweat then naruto is ass hands down.

 

[Shawnd]

Ok everyone.. I made a new thread.. (called naruto vs itatch.. The truth!!!)

 

[cryhwks]

I think this thread is dumb I mean Naruto & Sasuke wouldn't even be the same character type's that they are so how would you really know who would win? We really think they would have the same powers but they wouldn't.

& with Naruto he would be completely different he would not be the Naruto that we know. Because a lot of his strength comes from growing up has an outcast & that never would have happened if the Kyuubi wasn't in him.

& Sasuke he would not have just about all his list of Jutsu's would be gone except Fire Style & Some Taijutsu but he would not have Lee's speed & Chidori would be useless with out the Sharingan because the Sharingan completes Chidori. & I think Sasukes attitude would be a lot different as well.

 

[Wparker6804]

I don't think you're being fair in this regard. Using the sharingan and Orochimaru to further his own training doesn't make him a "leech" or any less hard working than Naruto. Naruto has relied on the Fox as much as Sasuke has on his sharingan, they have both had exceptional teachers as well. They use the tools they are given, nothing more, nothing less. If they both had the exact same teachers and raw stats, you would see very similar results because they both have heavy motivations for training and becoming stronger. Different, yes but both have the drive and capacity to become as strong as they possibly can.

My reasons for calling Sasuke that weren't in that post. Sorry for sounding "unfair," but look back at some of my earlyest poasts and you might understand.
1 Learning Chidori via sharingan
2 Itachi gave Sasuke Mangekyo
3 Itachi gave Sasuke Susano'o
4 Sasuke assaulted Orochimaru while he was ill and bedridden and TOOK his jutsu and chakra, he didn't fight him for it.
5 Sasuke was GIVEN Itachi's eyes

I'm not trying to take a dump in Sasuke's face, I just don't like his means of obtaining power. Yes, he went to Orochimarut for power. That's not why I called him a leech. I called him that because he waited until Orochimaru was inable to retaliate before Sasuke attacked and SUCKED IT OUT. I don't want an argument, I just want everyone to listen to everyone else and express my opinion as clear as possible.

The fact is, I root for Naruto because of who he is and the fact that he worked for everything he has. Sasuke? Not so much. Changing the Chidori's shape was briliant, and that hughe ligning bolt-thing he used against Itachi was beast. He IS powerful, he IS a genious, and he DOES have skill. I'm not opposing that fact, it's just what he's done for some of the things he has makes me think less of him next to Naruto as far as HARD WORK, not power.

Okay, okay. I'll look at it from multiple angles and give each side credit.
Given Power (Fox, sharingan, susano'o, etc)
Naruto :flaw: Sasuke
Hard-Earned Abilities
Sasuke :flaw: Naruto
Skill
Naruto :flaw: Sasuke
Taijutsu (Including Sage Art)
Sasuke :flaw: Naruto (I have my reasons)
Intellect
Naruto :flaw: Sasuke
Cleverness
Sasuke :flaw: Naruto

 

[Reborn]

Dumb Thread lol

If it's so dumb to you don't post on it, it's disrespectful what you're doing.

Welcome to NB

 

[-Naruto-]

Reached 200 i see

 

[The Demon Zabuza Momochi]

Sasuke doesn't have enough chakra to even have a beast in him, and he's doesn't have the guts that naruto has

if sasuke can handle being a host to orocimaru untill the very last minute i think he could handle a tailed beast maybe not the nine tails i will admit that but he could handle a tailed beast

 

[the ultimate uchiha]

Without the Sharigan Sasuke gets ddestroyed the Valley of the End Sasuke only got him because his sharingan matured. He can't tell Naruto from a clone and 1,000 rasengan is hard to beat. I don't think Sasuke stands a chance his sharingan is his Nindo

naruto cant do all that without the fox extra chakra

 

[Reborn]

ask me if i care?

Do you care?

 

[mgmacon]

This fight is nearly impossible to predict because you're taking away things that both Naruto and Sasuke have had their entire lives. Sharingan and Nine-tails are as much part of each of them as is their natural ability. Both have played MAJOR roles in their training, whether it is copying a move or skill to learn it faster or to have the stamina to be able to train with thousands of clones. Without their abilities, I doubt any of them could come close to characters such as Rock Lee or Sakura who both had to train through good old fashion hard work and determination.