Naruto Vs Sasuke (without fox or sharigan)

[Shawnd]

then naruto should have the kyuubi chakra as rent since it leaves in him.if you want to be fair,then naruto learned the sage mode as they both learned chidori and rasengan alike.and you know naruto's summoning would own sasuke's bird summoning.

sasuke summons snakes also U_U.. not only that the kyyubi is borrowed power such as the curse mark.. its not naruto himself.. naruto and the fox are two completely seperate beings.. its more like a 2 vs 1 match to be honest with you

 

[Saberwulf]

sas-gay cant use chidori without sharingan remember kakashi couldnt use it either until he had sharingan
that means naruto uses FRS and sas-gay dead

 

[Shawnd]

****** cant use chidori without sharingan remember kakashi couldnt use it either until he had sharingan
that means naruto uses FRS and ****** dead

kakashi used chidori multiple times in the anime without usin sharigan.. sharigan doesnt give them that ability.. it jus helps with the tunnel effect.. and what do u mean he couldnt use it.. he F'N invented chidori b4 he even got sharigan and still used it!! and thats wen he was a young kid now hes older and he often uses chidori without pullin out the sharigan..

 

[Shawnd]

I dont kno why everyone thinks that chidori cant be used without sharigan jus bcuz the 4th told kakashi.. he didnt tell him not to use it by the way.. he told kakashi it would be smart not to.. then wen he got shariga nit became EASIER to use.. jus bcuz someone tell u its not smart to do doesnt mean u cant do it..

 

[Rxyninja]

what im sayin is... sasuke and naruto are both gifted in ways inherited from the so6p himself.. naruto inherited his body, sasukes the eyes... now sasuke gets a GK known as sharigan form the so6p.. naruto gets his body which gives him alot of stamina and chakra.. im takin away sasuke eyes jus to fight naruto.. but naruto gets to keep his so6p body u get it.. im sayin its not really fair to sasuke bcuz hes born with those eyes.. and narutos born with that body

I'm not dumb, I have to know this stuff. :|

Now think of this, since Kyuubi never existed/didn't attack, wouldn't that mean that Minato and Kushina would still be alive? Naruto would have the techniques that he posseses right now (not counting SM techniques), and more.

Yeah, Sasuke's screwed.

 

[Shawnd]

I'm not dumb, I have to know this stuff. :|

Now think of this, since Kyuubi never existed/didn't attack, wouldn't that mean that Minato and Kushina would still be alive? Naruto would have the techniques that he posseses right now (not counting SM techniques), and more.

Yeah, Sasuke's screwed.

why does everyoen misread what i post... i NEevr posted that the fox didnt attack or naruto didnt have fox or sasuke didnt have sharigan.. i simply said... if they fought and cant USE them!!! USE!! they have em they jus cant use them.. naruto vs sasuke now... they jus cant UUUUUUSSSSEEEE THEM!!!!O.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.OO.O

 

[Futon Kunoichi]

I think half of us are thinking a roll-back to the beginning without the Kyuubi invasion, like an Alternate Universe, while half of us are thinking of just taking the mentioned abilities away from Naruto and Sasuke and leaving everything else intact. So it's kinda hard to debate when we don't stand on common grounds, isn't it?

 

[Shawnd]

I think half of us are thinking a roll-back to the beginning without the Kyuubi invasion, like an Alternate Universe, while half of us are thinking of just taking the mentioned abilities away from Naruto and Sasuke and leaving everything else intact. So it's kinda hard to debate when we don't stand on common grounds, isn't it?

i agree.. everyone keeps tryin to take back history back b4 the fox attacked.. bcuz they know deep down inside naruto is nothin without the fox.. and u cant say sasuke is nothin without the sharigan bcuz its his GK the fox is a whole nnother being.. its like givin sasuke a tailed beast then say who would win.. but then its pretty obvious that sasuke would be wayyyyy too powerful for naruto if he got a tailed beast

 

[C WET]

are you forgettin bout sasukes ninjutsu and genjutsu.. this isnt the first series naruto vs sasuke.. this is shippuden nruto vs sasuke... sasuke has super lightning speed.. genjutsu.. ninjutsu.. splendid taijutsu.. so your wrong bout the it being "basically a tiajutsu match" :flaw:

sasuke can't use genjutsu without the sharingan and the only ninjutsu he knows is the uchiha clans fire style ninjutsu which he hasn't shown very many different kinds... the rest of him is taijutsu...

 

[Shawnd]

sasuke can't use genjutsu without the sharingan and the only ninjutsu he knows is the uchiha clans fire style ninjutsu which he hasn't shown very many different kinds... the rest of him is taijutsu...

and lightning style jutsu :flaw:

 

[Jokule67]

i agree.. everyone keeps tryin to take back history back b4 the fox attacked.. bcuz they know deep down inside naruto is nothin without the fox.. and u cant say sasuke is nothin without the sharigan bcuz its his GK the fox is a whole nnother being.. its like givin sasuke a tailed beast then say who would win.. but then its pretty obvious that sasuke would be wayyyyy too powerful for naruto if he got a tailed beast

that is stupid. u seiously think naruto is nothing without kyuubi. all his techniques DO NOT rely on the kyuubi at all. without kyuubi his normal mode is actually stronger.

 

[megakaratekid101]

naruto would win because he has rasen shurican and and rasengan and giant and all those types of rasengans while sasuke only has chidori and chidori stream and katana chidori and sasuke is fast but naruto can expand the rasengan and plus naruto has more chakra then sasuk because he said his chackra was special and they said only people with special chakra can control the beast and he is the son of the 4th hokage and his mother chkra was special as well thts y the cloud kidnapped her and sasukes kiran may be the only thing tht sasuke can kill naruto witn bot other than tht naruto will win and besides naruto iis very smart and he will be able to out smart himand mak ehim use kiran on a shadow clone so naruto wins u people underistemite the savior and the boy of prophicey and also the fourth hokages legacy naruto is awesome do not underrestimate him never he is the future hokage one never before seen

 

[waynexhyped96]

umm i would say Sasuke

 

[C WET]

and lightning style jutsu :flaw:

oh you know what i meant...

 

[Jokule67]

oh you know what i meant...

this thread maker really believes naruto is nothing without the fox. wat a fail lol

 

[Dukeofhell]

if your talking about the Wind Release: Rasengan then it's better than chidori,but sasuke has more lighting techniques then just chidori that would work just fine against naruto and sasuke can use fire which can beat naruto's wind. and naruto woukdn't use a Wind Release: Rasengan like that or else he would have done it.

well sasuke and naruto havn't really battle in part 2 and when they did sasuke far outclassed naruto and the 3rd ninja databook says that sasuke's speed is a 4.5 and they might have equal taijutsu but sasuke has a sword and how is it that naruto has more chakra without the 9-tails it doesn't eat naruto's chakra at every second were did you come up with that.

how will a lightning technique just "work against naruto" in what way, weve already established that he'll pwn the chidori, or any variation of chidori.
How can a katon from sasukes mouth beat a wind release: rasengan, there totally different styles.

sasukes fireball jutsu is a c-b rank technique, whereas wind rasengan is A or S rank. a fireball wont work, the whole point of learning chidori and rasengan is that you can beat any ninja thats below jounin because when they use a low level fodder technique you can dodge and smash them with a jutsu. without any handsigns. also naruto didnt want to kill sasuke, or he would have created a fuuton or odama rasengan.

how did sasuke far outclass naruto? you walking about there clash at oros house? naruto was tired from his fight with oro and his transfomation.
the data book is fodder, it says a lot of mistakes. they obviously dont rate naruto enough, since they sometimes gave naruto worse scores than chuunins.

as for narutos chakra, he is an uzumaki, are you retarded? havent you noticed in part one when naruto did 2000 shadow clones and summoned gamabunta, whereas sasuke could only manage 2 chidoris. kakashi has even said naruto has many times more chakra than him, whereas him and sasuke are similar, since in part 1 sasuke could only use half kakashis chakra.

 

[Inception]

Naruto obviously.

Edit for Dukeofhell: The reason why Naruto has enormous amount of chakra is because of the 9-tails fox. Uzumakis are known for their long lives and sealing techniques, not large chakras.

 

[Shawnd]

how will a lightning technique just "work against naruto" in what way, weve already established that he'll pwn the chidori, or any variation of chidori.
How can a katon from sasukes mouth beat a wind release: rasengan, there totally different styles.

sasukes fireball jutsu is a c-b rank technique, whereas wind rasengan is A or S rank. a fireball wont work, the whole point of learning chidori and rasengan is that you can beat any ninja thats below jounin because when they use a low level fodder technique you can dodge and smash them with a jutsu. without any handsigns. also naruto didnt want to kill sasuke, or he would have created a fuuton or odama rasengan.

how did sasuke far outclass naruto? you walking about there clash at oros house? naruto was tired from his fight with oro and his transfomation.
the data book is fodder, it says a lot of mistakes. they obviously dont rate naruto enough, since they sometimes gave naruto worse scores than chuunins.

as for narutos chakra, he is an uzumaki, are you retarded? havent you noticed in part one when naruto did 2000 shadow clones and summoned gamabunta, whereas sasuke could only manage 2 chidoris. kakashi has even said naruto has many times more chakra than him, whereas him and sasuke are similar, since in part 1 sasuke could only use half kakashis chakra.

sasukes lightning element.. dontk no for sure but im pretty sure it wont affect naruto too much.. same with i kno narutos wind wont affect sasuke too much bcuz he has fire affinity!

 

[Jokule67]

Naruto obviously.

Edit for Dukeofhell: The reason why Naruto has enormous amount of chakra is because of the 9-tails fox. Uzumakis are known for their long lives and sealing techniques, not large chakras.

u r totally wrong. naruto chakra comes from his own body not the fox. some of narutos chakra was suppressing the fox.

 

[bboyhurricane]

i agree.. everyone keeps tryin to take back history back b4 the fox attacked.. bcuz they know deep down inside naruto is nothin without the fox.. and u cant say sasuke is nothin without the sharigan bcuz its his GK the fox is a whole nnother being.. its like givin sasuke a tailed beast then say who would win.. but then its pretty obvious that sasuke would be wayyyyy too powerful for naruto if he got a tailed beast

ok, shawnd...last time I defended you in another thread. This time, I disagree with you saying Naruto is nothing without the fox.

Lemme ask you, what exactly does the fox do for Naruto?
1. Provides great stamina and even more chakra
2. Keeps him alive(which is really big), but I hardly think Shippuden Naruto needs that much help staying alive anymore, he's not as dumb.

So, Naruto, even without sage mode or the fox still knows alot. Clones, Rasengan, Taijutsu, Oodama Rasengan, Rasenshuriken (which alone would beat Sasuke down), it's the truth.

Now, Sasuke without sharingan knows lighning style, mainly Chidori and Kirin. So sure, he CAN use it without sharingan, but it would be no where NEAR as effective with it. So do you see why I'm saying that wouldn't be a staple in this fight for him? And yah, he's got fire style to burn clones, and some taijutsu.

Now for the summons(you said they don't get them), but, how many times have you seen a toad lose to a snake summon? Gamabunta would just stab Manda in the mouth again if Manda were still alive, and Naruto's got a few toads to use.

which brings me to sage mode....even if Naruto means to miss Sasuke on purpose, remember in the Pain strike, it still connected to that one and that Pain got punched mega hard anyway? Naruto doesn't have to land a hit for it to work.

Also, you can't state that sasuke would be WAYYYYYYY better at being a jinchuuriki than Naruto. Naruto's had the fox ALL his life and would be better off than Sasuke, who would have to find how to deal with a biju without sharingan in your battle.


Bottom line, some of your reasoning worked in the early posts of this thread, but please don't hate on Naruto as much as you do. He's much better than you give him credit for.