naruto top tiers are all around the same in speed

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Manga disagree's, and nowhere in the databook stated that Madara hasnt RSM

It states that madara ( all ten tails jinchuuriki actually) use six path ten tails coffin seal to seal the ten tails. After becoming the ten tails jinchuuriki they gain six paths senjutsu. This is something he shares with Naruto. They both have six paths senjutsu. Hence why I said they are very similar.

However RSM is for some reason( I don't fully understand it) specifically for Naruto.
So no, JJMadara doesn't have RSM. He has something very similar. In fact the only difference i've observerd is that Naruto in RSM has "universal comprehension of all things". Whatever the hell that means.

RSM comes from the Sage of six paths(so I believe ashura might have had it too). The other (juubito and JJ Madara) come from the ten tails. Similar but not the same.

 

[Dantee]

No he dodged it,the anime clarified that,he fired it straight at naruto and naruto dodged it before it met his face then madara swung his head to try to hit naruto.

We cant go into 2016 thinking the anime is canon.

 

[Uchihakil]

We cant go into 2016 thinking the anime is canon.

Whatever the case, the attack Is said to cut at lightspeed, it CUTS at lightspeed, so whether or not madara turned his head 180 or 90 degrees, its irrelevant, and I'm pretty sure he didnt turn his head 180 because it would be stupid

 

[Uchihakil]

It states that madara ( all ten tails jinchuuriki actually) use six path ten tails coffin seal to seal the ten tails. After becoming the ten tails jinchuuriki they gain six paths senjutsu. This is something he shares with Naruto. They both have six paths senjutsu. Hence why I said they are very similar.

However RSM is for some reason( I don't fully understand it) specifically for Naruto.
So no, JJMadara doesn't have RSM. He has something very similar. In fact the only difference i've observerd is that Naruto in RSM has "universal comprehension of all things". Whatever the hell that means.

RSM comes from the Sage of six paths(so I believe ashura might have had it too). The other (juubito and JJ Madara) come from the ten tails. Similar but not the same.

Six paths senjutsu and rikoudu sage mode AKA rikoudou senjutsu are kinda the same since hagoromo is the rikudou and also sage of the 6 paths, so rikudou senjutsu and six paths senjutsu kinda mean the samething unless its explained somewhere that its different, I'm sure I did'nt miss anything like that in the manga

 

[Loki d]

Guy was the only one to bend space in naruto, so yes guy is above kaguya, the emphasis kishi made from his speed, even evening elephant uses sheer speed, nobody in naruto showed a feat similar, if she is as fast as guy or faster as you claim she'd be bending space, guy is the fastest

Bending space, air cannons, and friction is all unique to Gai and his eight gates. There would be nothing unique about the Eight Gates if every person who was just as fast or faster can do the same thing without the eight gates. Similar to how sage mode sensing is unique to sage mode. I recall Naruto causing a wooden stick to ignite by his sheer speed that doesn't make anyone who hasn't showed a similar feat to be slower than Part 1 Naruto.

 

[supasaiyajingoddo]

Yes madara does have rikudo sage mode, sasuke onlu has rikudou chakra, and naruto has rikudou senjutsu, that's why madara differentiated and said he had both those powers, before he became juubi jin he only had rikudou chakra as in rinne madara with 1 rinnegan SM madara , after he became juubi jin he gained rikudou sage mode

Only naruto has Rikudou senjutsu, a mode that grants the user the universal comprehension of all things as explained by the databook. Madara on the other hand has Ten Tails Coffin Seal.

 

[Uchihakil]

Bending space, air cannons, and friction is all unique to Gai and his eight gates. There would be nothing unique about the Eight Gates if every person who was just as fast or faster can do the same thing without the eight gates. Similar to how sage mode sensing is unique to sage mode. I recall Naruto causing a wooden stick to ignite by his sheer speed that doesn't make anyone who hasn't showed a similar feat to be slower than Part 1 Naruto.

Just so you know, that was kid sasuke and it did'nt happen in the manga but the anime, nobody I repeat nobody could do what guy did to madara with just speed, naruto tried to blitz already a damaged madara in base and it was blocked casually, not once, so yea, guy is the fastest

 

[Uchihakil]

Only naruto has Rikudou senjutsu, a mode that grants the user the universal comprehension of all things as explained by the databook. Madara on the other hand has Ten Tails Coffin Seal.

Too bad naruto is dumb to notice said feat, and it does'nt change the fact that madara was fighting naruto and limbos even defeating narutos clones

 

[Loki d]

Just so you know, that was kid sasuke and it did'nt happen in the manga but the anime, nobody I repeat nobody could do what guy did to madara with just speed, naruto tried to blitz already a damaged madara in base and it was blocked casually, not once, so yea, guy is the fastest

What are you on about? Madara could clearly perceive Gai's movement enough to actually plan to counter and protect himself but due to the warping of space Gai was able to bypass any defense Madara had. Naruto actually did the same thing Gai did without even using his full power. I also find it ridiculous that you think Gai is faster than Kaguya. Gai by feats is still slower than Madara.

A real blitz is when the person you're attacking is not aware or capable of perceiving your attack or speed and is unable to get his defense up. Both Gai and Naruto failed to blitz Madara.

 

[Uchihakil]

What are you on about? Madara could clearly perceive Gai's movement enough to actually plan to counter and protect himself but due to the warping of space Gai was able to bypass any defense Madara had. Naruto actually did the same thing Gai did without even using his full power. I also find it ridiculous that you think Gai is faster than Kaguya. Gai by feats is still slower than Madara.

A real blitz is when the person you're attacking is not aware or capable of perceiving your attack or speed and is unable to get his defense up. Both Gai and Naruto failed to blitz Madara.

Naah man guy was faster than madara, guy got madz with his first issoku, then he stopped, and when madara was out of the hole, he then blocked issoku, but guy moved to another position before madara noticed and used niisoku, sansoku etc etc, he is clearly faster than madara

 

[Da Best Ever]

8 gate gai has the fastest hand speed...we didn't see his foot speed so quit saying he is the fastest because he was running on air when we saw 5th gate Lee doing the samething vs gaara

The fastest foots peed or using ninjutsu to get from point a to point B is...


1. Kaguya
2. Godara
3. DMS kakashi/obito
4. Sasuke & Naruto
5.8th gate gai
6. Minato
7. Ay
8. Itachi
9. 6th gate Lee
10. Killer bee

 

[Da Best Ever]

Whatever the case, the attack Is said to cut at lightspeed, it CUTS at lightspeed, so whether or not madara turned his head 180 or 90 degrees, its irrelevant, and I'm pretty sure he didnt turn his head 180 because it would be stupid

A quote from Barry Allen(Flash) to The Yellow Later...I forgot his name but...

Your constructs might happen at the speed of light but you don't think at the speed of light I move faster than you can think to use it...

 

[Da Best Ever]

Gai might can bend space but Kaguya warps reality and to do that you have to manipulate time and space and that is greater than anything gai has done with his speed because she can send him to the gravity dimension and neutralize his speed all together

 

[Uchihakil]

A quote from Barry Allen(Flash) to The Yellow Later...I forgot his name but...

Your constructs might happen at the speed of light but you don't think at the speed of light I move faster than you can think to use it...

What does this have to do with anything, naruto dodged the attack when it was I motion, not dodge it before it was in motion

 

[Dantee]

No, he didn't dodge lightspeed, he dodged the time it took Madara to rotate his.

Whatever the case, the attack Is said to cut at lightspeed, it CUTS at lightspeed, so whether or not madara turned his head 180 or 90 degrees, its irrelevant, and I'm pretty sure he didnt turn his head 180 because it would be stupid

It's not irrelevant at all and
We also cant think everything said in the db is 100% legit

 

[Ansatsuken]

Using anime as a prove is never right to begin with.

 

[Uchihakil]

What does this have to do with anything, naruto dodged the attack when it was I motion, not dodge it before it was in motion

It's not irrelevant at all and
We also cant think everything said in the db is 100% legit

So for e.g, we can't trust what the db says bout amenotominaka, eventhough we can only rely on it for alot of stuff, like technique names and mechanics, and that was a technique and how it works, so that's irrelevant

 

[Uchihakil]

8 gate gai has the fastest hand speed...we didn't see his foot speed so quit saying he is the fastest because he was running on air when we saw 5th gate Lee doing the samething vs gaara

The fastest foots peed or using ninjutsu to get from point a to point B is...


1. Kaguya
2. Godara
3. DMS kakashi/obito
4. Sasuke & Naruto
5.8th gate gai
6. Minato
7. Ay
8. Itachi
9. 6th gate Lee
10. Killer bee

I was'nt talking bout s/t techniques though, but just speed, guy moving so fast he set the air on fire is a speedfeat, coz he moved his fists so fast that friction caused the flames, and so is night moth, mostlikely kishi applied more physics in his xter due to him only using speed attacks, night moth inclusive

 

[Dantee]

So for e.g, we can't trust what the db says bout amenotominaka, eventhough we can only rely on it for alot of stuff, like technique names and mechanics, and that was a technique and how it works, so that's irrelevant

I understand the mechanics but light speed is just hype no feats to back it up.

 

[Uchihakil]

I understand the mechanics but light speed is just hype no feats to back it up.

No feats? The attack looked like a stream of light, so what do you mean by no feats to back it up, coz madara did use the attack