naruto top tiers are all around the same in speed

[Uchihakil]

Prove Madara shot that attack from point blank range first than we talk. Use manga and not anime source.

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You see that TSB stick get cut on. Let assume Naruto hold that stick vertically and align with his body and head position.

You saw the tiny swing lines. The lines that representing a movement we can found in every manga/comic.

The TSB stick can only be cut possibly if Madara moving his head from left to right(cutting movement) and impossible if he just fired the attack toward Naruto directly.

[video=youtube;ajqn4jA_9Bs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajqn4jA_9Bs[/video]

If you look at the video carefully, Madara actually fired the technique not directly toward Naruto like you are thinking here. Thats mean no point blank range here as. The light actually direct by Madara's head. You can see the light start a bit left from Naruto position and moved to the right by Madara. It left Naruto a small space to react to Madara's head movement. Its hard to see because of the viewing position.

And I dont even see LS or even relativistic movement by either Naruto or Madara here portrayed by anime(it studio perriot afterall).


The speed is in Madara control here and not the tech. The Nature of that tech is the same but not Madara's head.


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Naruto ducked so its not like how he evaded the way raikage's punch, but naruto ducked you won't see the speed since its just him ducking, but ranton kouga was fast, extremely fast, and going by anime, madaras head did'nt turn all the way, go rewatch it, madara shot it straight (not exactly straight but at mots 95 to 100 degrees) that's if you want to believe what the anime did, and the distance between madz and naruto aint even as long as madaras arm

 

[Warlocks]

My logic is on the line. And its proved further that Naruto not having FTL reaction speed, just hypersonic level bcus he not managed to avoid the fire ball fired by Sasuke earlier, instead chose to block it. For light speed character with great sensing power, they can overcome all of that easily. Bcus why? Bcus they are faster than the attack could reach them unless the fire ball fired by Sasuke travel at light speed.

Look at how FTG user manage to avoid any in coming attack easily even in numbers of directions. It bcus they are faster than all those attacks. In close distance combat FTL speedster can rival Instant technique(teleportation users). Example of other anime is DBZ(Goku vs perfect Cell). Cell never learned Instant transmission before but he can match Goku's instant transmission technique that Goku incorporated into his fight easily bcus he amp up his speed(I dont really sure to what level, maybe close to relativistic).

All in all, this also another weak excuses from another people(you).

naruto can rival Instant technique too

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[Ansatsuken]

naruto can rival Instant technique too

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Just stop, this feat came when he was not in his pinnacle form yet. But where was the same speed feat when he was in his pinnacle form against Sasuke? He only can do it once or twice(the other one when he was full in rage after BZ mocking Obito(adrenaline rush).

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Inconsistencies will put the scene you post as null and void.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

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You can't use Senjutsu without harmonizing Natural Energy, Physical Energy, and Spiritual Energy. By attaining that balance, one enters Sage Mode and is able to use Senjutsu. There's literally no difference between RSM and Rikudou Senjutsu besides you making up arbitrary terms.

The Juubi's Chakra is essentially similar to Rikudou's due to the fact that he inherited his chakra from Kaguya who attained her Chakra from the Chakra Fruit which requires all of the Bijuu's Chakra to flourish. Of course, the Juubi embodies Natural Energy as well, so it contains both Rikudou's Chakra + Natural Energy which creates Rikudou Senjutsu. This makes sense considering Rikudou Senjutsu is considered a Six Paths Power and by attaining it through the Juubi, one can manifest Rikudou's Chakra as Hagoromo stated:

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There's absolutely no difference besides the way Naruto and Madara/Obito attained it.

if they are the same thing how come they are referred to as different techniques?...because they are not

 

[NarutoX28]

if they are the same thing how come they are referred to as different techniques?...because they are not

They're not. The only way they're different is how the Chakra was attained, but the power is completely the same.

 

[Uchihakil]

Just stop, this feat came when he was not in his pinnacle form yet. But where was the same speed feat when he was in his pinnacle form against Sasuke? He only can do it once or twice(the other one when he was full in rage after BZ mocking Obito(adrenaline rush).

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Inconsistencies will put the scene you post as null and void.

Does'nt matter, it does'nt change the fact that he dodged a light speed attack at point blank

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If xters who are slower than RSM naruto can react to a teleported kyuubi sized rasengan, its NOT a stretch to say naruto dodged a point blank LS attack when actually did

 

[Ansatsuken]

Does'nt matter, it does'nt change the fact that he dodged a light speed attack at point blank

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If xters who are slower than RSM naruto can react to a teleported kyuubi sized rasengan, its NOT a stretch to say naruto dodged a point blank LS attack when actually did

Are you this dense?

Obito couldnt react by all of his physical movement to avoid or escape from FTG rasengan attack. What he managed to do is defend his body using chakra arm. That still wont put him in LS or FTL reaction speed bcus I tell you again this kind of speedster(FTL level) can dodge it completely in a 0.01 second bcus of short time delays after FTG and between the attacking phase(throwing a rasengan).

What Obito did stll not worth to call as Light speed reaction. As many already point out, FTG is instant but the attack after that is not.

And tell me why JJ Obito couldnt react to Tobiarama FTG that sent back his own attack(remember Obito attached TSB bomb on Minato's lost arm?).

 

[Uchihakil]

Are you this dense?

Obito couldnt react by all of his physical movement to avoid or escape from FTG rasengan attack. What he managed to do is defend his body using chakra arm. That still wont put him in LS or FTL reaction speed bcus I tell you again this kind of speedster(FTL level) can dodge it completely in a 0.01 second bcus of short time delays after FTG and between the attacking phase(throwing a rasengan).

What Obito did stll not worth to call as Light speed reaction. As many already point out, FTG is instant but the attack after that is not.

And tell me why JJ Obito couldnt react to Tobiarama FTG that sent back his own attack(remember Obito attached TSB bomb on Minato's lost arm?).

First of all, the way its shown in the manga, he blocked it, using chakra arm, that doesnt mean he didnt block the attack, second of all, I know ftg is instantaneous and no one can react to instantaneous, but the gap between the rasengan and juubito is soooo little that we can't even see it, and the fact that the xters moving the rasengan have above lightning speed( BSM naruto and BM minato being superior to Ay) so that just shows how fast juubito can react, coz I'm not even sure if its more than an inch from making contact with him before he reacted

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

No, it's already been established that creating a balance between Natural Energy, Physical Energy, and Spiritual Energy allows one to use Senjutsu and that state of being able to use Senjutsu is essentially Sage Mode. There's absolutely no difference and Kishimoto has Juubidara claim that Naruto's Rikudou Power received from Rikudou Sennin was exactly like his. That statement wasn't contradicted at all.



No they're not. They're both a power received from utilizing both Senjutsu and Rikudou's Chakra.

So you choose to disregard actual databook fact. suit yourself just don't expect anyone to take you seriously when you say juubidara has RSM.

feel free to read this. they use the databook(which i read, the translated version anyways) as a reference so its right.

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[NarutoX28]

So you choose to disregard actual databook fact. suit yourself just don't expect anyone to take you seriously when you say juubidara has RSM.

No, I chose to follow what the Manga displayed.

feel free to read this. they use the databook(which i read, the translated version anyways) as a reference so its right.

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Databook also states how TSB blossoms from RSM. But hey, I guess you like cherry-picking anything that supports your view without acknowledging other pieces of evidence.

But still, Manga > Databook:

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If you show me a manga statement that contradicts that, then I might just reconsider.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

No, I chose to follow what the Manga displayed.



Databook also states how TSB blossoms from RSM. But hey, I guess you like cherry-picking anything that supports your view without acknowledging other pieces of evidence.

But still, Manga > Databook:

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If you show me a manga statement that contradicts that, then I might just reconsider.

manga never says any of them(madara or juubito) had RSM. All it says is that they have rikudou senjutsu. Ive already stated that they(rikudou senjutsu and RSM) are different. Similar but different.

But like I've said, suit yourself. A lot of people already know and acknowlege this fact. Micheal even made a thread about it but good luck to you. I give up.