[Discussion] Naruto = So6P??? (Scans please)

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It seems we got messed up. Summing it up, as long as we understand that the Sage's essence was inherited through the Bijuu ("how" are details, let's not stop on these trivial matters), we are ok.

About the question...

I said it earlier... power is not the first thing on the list I think Naruto will inherit from the Sage. I'm betting from him becoming his successor in terms of ideals (not a replacement). I'm not shut to Naruto inheriting his power, but first thing is first: The sage's ideals will be what Naruto inherit.

Also, the foreshadowing of Juubi seeing the Bijuus (and by consequence the Sage's essence) inside Naruto is almost too obvious... Manga is shouting that Naruto will recieve a Ten Tail Jinchuuriki state at some point. This is the foreshadow, something that can't be proven, but also can't be proven wrong... a solid possibility.

I don't talk about the Rinnegan since we don't know how the Sage awakened it. We only know how Madara did it.

Taking that apart...

Even I made a theory about what the Juubi saw inside Naruto...

And I failed miserably. So I'm talking humbly against my own theory that was disproved with facts that came afterwards.

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Hehe :snick: That is where you are. I can't really fight with scans, but my key issues in making this thread was to dismantle the notion of Naruto becoming the 10 tails Jinchuuriki or Rinnengan
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In order to become a jinchuuriki you need a bijuu. The Mazo is the Juubi, (chakraless) and the bijuu are its chakra. That is why even after the bijuu's chakra was extracted from Obito the Mazo remained.

For this reason Naruto without the Mazo can't become the 10 tails Jinchuuriki. In time Naruto may gain a portion of chakra similar to the Juubi, (pseudo Juubi jin.)but he can't become a true Jinchuuriki. I have some clue as to why Naruto may require the 9 beast's chakra later, but I don't see Naruto becoming a 100% Juubi Jin. especially with a small portion of chakra and no body.
 

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Hehe :snick: That is where you are. I can't really fight with scans, but my key issues in making this thread was to dismantle the notion of Naruto becoming the 10 tails Jinchuuriki or Rinnengan
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In order to become a jinchuuriki you need a bijuu. The Mazo is the Juubi, (chakraless) and the bijuu are its chakra. That is why even after the bijuu's chakra was extracted from Obito the Mazo remained.

For this reason Naruto without the Mazo can't become the 10 tails Jinchuuriki. In time Naruto may gain a portion of chakra similar to the Juubi, (pseudo Juubi jin.)but he can't become a true Jinchuuriki. I have some clue as to why Naruto may require the 9 beast's chakra later, but I don't see Naruto becoming a 100% Juubi Jin. especially with a small portion of chakra and no body.

The effect was interesting though... you practically created a bandwagon against you xD. Whatever, you should have started with this... since it is a good point.

As far as we know, Kurama stated that the Mazou was a chakraless body full of lifeforce. Don't you think the current Naruto is quite like the Mazou at this point...? Chakraless body (Kurama just got extracted) full of lifeforce (Uzumaki bloodline)? :p
 

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The effect was interesting though... you practically created a bandwagon against you xD. Whatever, you should have started with this... since it is a good point.

As far as we know, Kurama stated that the Mazou was a chakraless body full of lifeforce. Don't you think the current Naruto is quite like the Mazou at this point...? Chakraless body (Kurama just got extracted) full of lifeforce (Uzumaki bloodline)? :p
Thanx , my style of debating isn't to win arguments, but to become parallel and for that I must understand I must completely understand the other person before I can debate them. Back to important matters...
The body of man can not be compared to that of God XD

Still, NO if anyone has a body similar enough to substitute for the Juubi it's Hashirama. (That's why they use his cells) Besides that Naruto has chakra, but from my understanding becoming a Jin. Is like combining your soul with a bijuu. You can communicate with one another, share chakra even read each other's thoughts, but when a Jin . Loses their bijuu it's like removing an adjoined twin. The weaker one (human)dies,the Uzamaki with their large life force is there only exception. Even for them surviving the removal of a bijuu is like surviving being hit by a car, possible yet damaging. Naruto will still have his chakra and most likely part of the kyuubi's as well, but he is gonna be out for a while.

Seeing how similar Hashi's body(Sage's body) is to the Juubi I find myself wondering whether Naruto could even withstand being the juubi Jin.
 
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Thanx , my style of debating isn't to win arguments, but to become parallel and for that I must understand I must completely understand the other person before I can debate them. Back to important matters...
The body of man can not be compared to that of God XD

Still, NO if anyone has a body similar enough to substitute for the Juubi it's Hashirama. (That's why they use his cells) Besides that Naruto has chakra, but from my understanding becoming a Jin. Is like combining your soul with a bijuu. You can communicate with one another, share chakra even read each other's thoughts, but when a Jin . Loses their bijuu it's like removing an adjoined twin. The weaker one (human)dies,the Uzamaki with their large life force is there only exception. Even for them surviving the removal of a bijuu is like surviving being hit by a car, possible yet damaging. Naruto will still have his chakra and most likely part of the kyuubi's as well, but he is gonna be out for a while.

Seeing how similar Hashi's body(Sage's body) is to the Juubi I find myself wondering whether Naruto could even withstand being the juubi Jin.

I don't know... also, it's true that Hashirama's body is kind like the body of the Juubi but... I don't think his body is equal to the Mazou. I mean, Zetsu was created from Hashirama's cells using the Mazou as catalyst, meaning that Hashirama only gave the DNA while the Mazou gave the lifeforce.

So Hashirama is complementary to the Mazou, not equal in terms of pragma.

Also (maybe in another thread) I'll give enough proof to state that the Jinchuuriki have to be hosts full of lifeforce/physical energy. There are three cases that covered this pre-requisite.
 

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The effect was interesting though... you practically created a bandwagon against you xD. Whatever, you should have started with this... since it is a good point.

As far as we know, Kurama stated that the Mazou was a chakraless body full of lifeforce. Don't you think the current Naruto is quite like the Mazou at this point...? Chakraless body (Kurama just got extracted) full of lifeforce (Uzumaki bloodline)? :p

You know you shouldn't take for granted what Kurama has said. Kurama knows what the sage told him. Kurama also thought that the Juubi is a completely mindless beast, soemthing which was proven wrong afterwards.
 

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I agree with you as well
The sage was split up into yin and yang to find peace and entrusted his younger son(yang)to find it
Naruto getting the rinnegan and being the sages reincarnation defeats that purpose
Madara is the one who became both younger and older son,that's what peace through power is,the sage didn't want that

I don't see how yin and yang is relevant. The sage chose the younger son because of his ideals and belefs, not because of his yang powers. There are a lot of Uchiha that has the same ideals and beliefs as the Senju has. If the eldest son had the same beliefs as the younger, he would've been chosen as the successor, so yin and yang is irrelevant.

I don't think Naruto will become the juubi jin, but there is a possibilty that he may gain psuedo-juubi powers from the bijuus chakra. He doesn't have to be the sage's reincarnation to be his successor because he has the same ideals and beliefs as the younger son who the sage made successor. But successor does mean that he will follow in the sage's footsteps to find peace, so that kinda gives him the sage's title...even if he doesn't reach the sage's level in power, as long as he succeeds where the sage failed.
 

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As you wish OP, have fun and I wish you good luck:

Proof Number 1. Similliarity between KCM Naruto and SOSP :
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^^ Naruto in his Nine tails chakra mode/basic Tailed beast mode resembles Sage of six paths's silhouette a lot like here:
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Clearly both Naruto in NTCM/KCM and Sage of six paths have horns, same hairs pattern and similliar markings all over body.

Conclusion: Sage of six paths had to seal himself/chakra avatar in Nine tails or among each of tailed beasts.

Proof Number 2. Similliarity between BM Naruto and SOSP and more Kurama chakra turning Naruto's appearance more closer Sage of six paths :
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^^ Naruto in his Tailed beast mode/advanced Tailed beast mode resembles Sage of six paths's silhouette a lot like here:
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Conclusion: Sage of six paths had to seal himself/chakra avatar in Nine tails or among each of tailed beasts. More Nine tails chakra turning more Naruto closer to SOSP's look.

Proof Number 3. Tailed beast's see Sage of six paths/Old man in Naruto :
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^^ All Tailed beast agreed that Naruto is Sage of six paths's second comming/reincarnation or successor.

Conclusion: Sage of six paths entrusted some secret to Tailed beasts and foreshadowing of SOSP's failsafe plan/backup plan if Ten tails will get fully brought to the world.

Proof Number 4. Nine tomoe power up behind Naruto symbolizing nine tailed beasts :
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^^ Ao sensed something else as he stated: "I can feel something else"

Conclusion: Naruto got something more then just trust of tailed beasts. Something more is a bit chakra from each tailed beasts except Shukaku and Gyuuki.

Proof Number 5. Full complete revival of Ten tails beast could sign The end of the World :
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^^ Old man Sage of six paths said that ten tails complete revival will sign of the world. Foreshadowing that complete Ten tails revival will be tigger for SOSP to reppear and help save the world.

Conclusion: Full complete revival of Ten tails beast will be trigger for Sage of six paths's return.

Proof Number 6. Images of Tailed beasts's chakra and silhouette of Sage of six paths with Rinnegan eyes intact :
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^^ Images of tailed beasts and silhouette of Sage of six paths with Rinnegan eyes intact shows foreshadowing of Naruto's further power ups.

Conclusion: Pseudo Ten tails host or Sage of six paths with Rinnegan Naruto.

Proof Number 7. Minato manifests his Nine tails chakra mode of Yin Dark Kurama half :
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^^ Nine tails chakra mode Minato proves that heritage of clan from which you came does not no mattter. Kurama chakra alone turns humans into Nine tails chakra mode.

Conclusion: Nine tails chakra contain Sage of six paths chakra which SOSP sealed into him.

Proof Number 8. Ten tails host Obito shows even greater similliarity towards Sage of six paths's look :
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^^ Ten tails chakra made of many tailed beasts chakra shows closer appearance towards Sage of six paths's look/appearance. Further new transformation cause Obito to transform even more similliar towards Sage of six paths's look/appearance.

Conclusion: Ten tails chakra made of many tailed beasts chakra contain Sage of six paths chakra which SOSP sealed into him/them.

Proof Number 9. Naruto proves that he kept his promise to tailed beasts :
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^^ Tailed beasts acknowledge Naruto even more, praising him. Even Shukaku who was not present among them mentions Naruto being... everyone can finish this sentence... most likely SOSP.

Conclusion: Tailed beasts further support Naruto being Sage of six paths's second comming/successor

Proof Number 10. Tailed beasts gathered around to help or aid Naruto in battle :
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^^ Tailed beasts tried to create stratety of some kind of plan to aid Naruto in battle and help him.

Conclusion: Tailed beasts plan to help Naruto somehow in some way.

False claim number 1 : Tailed beasts chakra was only meant for releasing tailed beasts from Obito:
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^^ These manga pages prove that chakra given to Naruto by tailed beasts was not meant just to Obito but to be used later and to help Naruto.

Conclusion: Tailed beasts chakra have still purpouse and Tailed beasts still want to aid him in battle.

False claim number 2 : Tailed beasts chakra was only some kind of metaphore, not in literral sense:
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^^ It proves that Naruto still lacks Shukaku and Gyuuki chakra to fulfill his prophecy.

or/and

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^^ Naruto still doesn't have Complete Kurama as Yin Kurama half is sealed in Minato.

Conclusion: Naruto still lack Shukaku and Gyuuki chakra or/and Yin Kurama half sealed into Minato

I believe Sage of six paths will appear inside Naruto as chakra avatar:
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, tell Naruto backstory, past of humans, how to beat Juubi and merge with him giving him godly power enough to beast Juubi for time being, until sosp's chakra run out completly.

Summary :
  • Sage of six paths is gonna be reborn in Naruto in spiritual way or somehow affect Naruto appearance with physcial look while being able to talk to him
  • Complete Ten tails revival will happen and will be trigger for Sage of six paths to reappear.
  • Currently Naruto lack a bit of Shukaku's chakra and Gyuuki's chakra along with their trust and/or Ying Half of Kurama from Minato
  • Heritage or clan doesnt affect in any way that only Naruto and Minato have jinchurki forms resembling SOSP, but due to Sage of six paths sealing his chakra just in Kurama or the most and signifact amount of SOSP was sealed into Kurama, while rest go smaller amount not enough to affect transformation process.
  • Naruto is about to get Shukaku and gyuuki chakra and/or Yin Kurama to complete his Sage of six paths transformation or meeting with him.
  • Naruto is Sage of six paths's reincarnation or Sage of six paths's successor.
  • Naruto WILL NOT BECOME TEN TAILS HOST, he will just posses ten tails chakra and also Sage of six paths's avatar mode. This last could reveal as Sage of six paths's avatar pop at top of Naruto's body resembling Sage of six paths himself.
  • IT WILL BE JUST TEMPORARY POWER UP to reveal Sage of six paths, his past and his sons and also only way to stop Madara if he become Ten tails host. NOT PERNAMENT POWER UP, it will only last until Sage of six paths chakra run out.
  • Sage of six paths chakra sealed all his remaining chakra in tailed beasts, with the biggest amount in Kurama. Only gettin trust of all tailed beasts along with a bit of their chakra can bring SOSP back.

Thanks for reading !
 
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I mean I want Naruto to become the SO6P.

But that will make him unstoppable.

Sasuke would be no match for him.

Unless Kishi does something with Sasuke
 

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the bijuu themselves like naruto, the first person after so6p, who made them from a large lump of rage.

do you seriously think that they'd like a person who'd kill their identities, mash them up into a statue, make it into a tree and put it inside himself? no. he symbolifies the spirit, the will of the sage, not his rinnegan. the story will probably end with the jubbi ceasing to exist IE the statue destroyed and all the bijuu getting permanent identities/mutual understanding between the humans and bijuu, thanks to naruto rallying all ninja.
 

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Hirudora, a text on the last 2 panels of ch. 660 says that Kurama is about to be taken then asks about what then. This means that it's possible Kurama's extraction will either be successful, partially successful (like maybe Kurama 1/2 of Kurama in Naruto gets taken), or interrupted by something like Shukaku stepping in and deciding to get extracted instead or some event that prevents both Tailed Beasts from getting stolen and resealed, respectively.
 

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Hirudora, a text on the last 2 panels of ch. 660 says that Kurama is about to be taken then asks about what then. This means that it's possible Kurama's extraction will either be successful, partially successful (like maybe Kurama 1/2 of Kurama in Naruto gets taken), or interrupted by something like Shukaku stepping in and deciding to get extracted instead or some event that prevents both Tailed Beasts from getting stolen and resealed, respectively.

Checking.

Edit: Good point, you're absolutely right. Kurama hasn't been inserted in the Mazou yet, it was just extracted!

Thanks for pointing this out, my friend.
 

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As we all know Naruto is the Savior of the NV and the one who will lead the world on the true path to peace. However there has been a lot of talk that Naruto will be come the next So6P. That Naruto will become the Juubi Jin. and that he will gain the Rinnengan. Naturally, I think it's BS, but I understand how a lot of you came to this assumption at least in the latest chapters. Mistranslations! :) especially ones in which the bijuu are referencing Naruto in recent chapter

So, that being said I would like to ask that any of you who wish to defend this theory to provide scans of this foreshadowing and I will provide viz translations and do my best to DESTROY and discredit any scans provided in a thread that I will create tonight.

Thank you for your cooperation :bye:

The tailed beast, the so6p's creations all agreed that Naruto is the one that will finsh the so6p's work.

and that is fact and I cant be bothered showing u scan because its common knowledge.
 

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The tailed beast, the so6p's creations all agreed that Naruto is the one that will finsh the so6p's work.

and that is fact and I cant be bothered showing u scan because its common knowledge.

But, I agree with that. The only thing I disagree with is Naruto becoming the Juubi jin. Or getting the Rinnengan.
 

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As you wish OP, have fun and I wish you good luck:

Proof Number 1. Similliarity between KCM Naruto and SOSP :
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^^ Naruto in his Nine tails chakra mode/basic Tailed beast mode resembles Sage of six paths's silhouette a lot like here:
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Clearly both Naruto in NTCM/KCM and Sage of six paths have horns, same hairs pattern and similliar markings all over body.

Conclusion: Sage of six paths had to seal himself/chakra avatar in Nine tails or among each of tailed beasts.

Proof Number 2. Similliarity between BM Naruto and SOSP and more Kurama chakra turning Naruto's appearance more closer Sage of six paths :
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^^ Naruto in his Tailed beast mode/advanced Tailed beast mode resembles Sage of six paths's silhouette a lot like here:
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Conclusion: Sage of six paths had to seal himself/chakra avatar in Nine tails or among each of tailed beasts. More Nine tails chakra turning more Naruto closer to SOSP's look.

Proof Number 3. Tailed beast's see Sage of six paths/Old man in Naruto :
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^^ All Tailed beast agreed that Naruto is Sage of six paths's second comming/reincarnation or successor.

Conclusion: Sage of six paths entrusted some secret to Tailed beasts and foreshadowing of SOSP's failsafe plan/backup plan if Ten tails will get fully brought to the world.

Proof Number 4. Nine tomoe power up behind Naruto symbolizing nine tailed beasts :
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^^ Ao sensed something else as he stated: "I can feel something else"

Conclusion: Naruto got something more then just trust of tailed beasts. Something more is a bit chakra from each tailed beasts except Shukaku and Gyuuki.

Proof Number 5. Full complete revival of Ten tails beast could sign The end of the World :
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^^ Old man Sage of six paths said that ten tails complete revival will sign of the world. Foreshadowing that complete Ten tails revival will be tigger for SOSP to reppear and help save the world.

Conclusion: Full complete revival of Ten tails beast will be trigger for Sage of six paths's return.

Proof Number 6. Images of Tailed beasts's chakra and silhouette of Sage of six paths with Rinnegan eyes intact :
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^^ Images of tailed beasts and silhouette of Sage of six paths with Rinnegan eyes intact shows foreshadowing of Naruto's further power ups.

Conclusion: Pseudo Ten tails host or Sage of six paths with Rinnegan Naruto.

Proof Number 7. Minato manifests his Nine tails chakra mode of Yin Dark Kurama half :
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^^ Nine tails chakra mode Minato proves that heritage of clan from which you came does not no mattter. Kurama chakra alone turns humans into Nine tails chakra mode.

Conclusion: Nine tails chakra contain Sage of six paths chakra which SOSP sealed into him.

Proof Number 8. Ten tails host Obito shows even greater similliarity towards Sage of six paths's look :
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^^ Ten tails chakra made of many tailed beasts chakra shows closer appearance towards Sage of six paths's look/appearance. Further new transformation cause Obito to transform even more similliar towards Sage of six paths's look/appearance.

Conclusion: Ten tails chakra made of many tailed beasts chakra contain Sage of six paths chakra which SOSP sealed into him/them.

Proof Number 9. Naruto proves that he kept his promise to tailed beasts :
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^^ Tailed beasts acknowledge Naruto even more, praising him. Even Shukaku who was not present among them mentions Naruto being... everyone can finish this sentence... most likely SOSP.

Conclusion: Tailed beasts further support Naruto being Sage of six paths's second comming/successor

Proof Number 10. Tailed beasts gathered around to help or aid Naruto in battle :
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^^ Tailed beasts tried to create stratety of some kind of plan to aid Naruto in battle and help him.

Conclusion: Tailed beasts plan to help Naruto somehow in some way.

False claim number 1 : Tailed beasts chakra was only meant for releasing tailed beasts from Obito:
You must be registered for see images
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^^ These manga pages prove that chakra given to Naruto by tailed beasts was not meant just to Obito but to be used later and to help Naruto.

Conclusion: Tailed beasts chakra have still purpouse and Tailed beasts still want to aid him in battle.

False claim number 2 : Tailed beasts chakra was only some kind of metaphore, not in literral sense:
You must be registered for see images
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^^ It proves that Naruto still lacks Shukaku and Gyuuki chakra to fulfill his prophecy.

or/and

You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images

^^ Naruto still doesn't have Complete Kurama as Yin Kurama half is sealed in Minato.

Conclusion: Naruto still lack Shukaku and Gyuuki chakra or/and Yin Kurama half sealed into Minato

I believe Sage of six paths will appear inside Naruto as chakra avatar:
You must be registered for see images
, tell Naruto backstory, past of humans, how to beat Juubi and merge with him giving him godly power enough to beast Juubi for time being, until sosp's chakra run out completly.

Summary :
  • Sage of six paths is gonna be reborn in Naruto in spiritual way or somehow affect Naruto appearance with physcial look while being able to talk to him
  • Complete Ten tails revival will happen and will be trigger for Sage of six paths to reappear.
  • Currently Naruto lack a bit of Shukaku's chakra and Gyuuki's chakra along with their trust and/or Ying Half of Kurama from Minato
  • Heritage or clan doesnt affect in any way that only Naruto and Minato have jinchurki forms resembling SOSP, but due to Sage of six paths sealing his chakra just in Kurama or the most and signifact amount of SOSP was sealed into Kurama, while rest go smaller amount not enough to affect transformation process.
  • Naruto is about to get Shukaku and gyuuki chakra and/or Yin Kurama to complete his Sage of six paths transformation or meeting with him.
  • Naruto is Sage of six paths's reincarnation or Sage of six paths's successor.
  • Naruto WILL NOT BECOME TEN TAILS HOST, he will just posses ten tails chakra and also Sage of six paths's avatar mode. This last could reveal as Sage of six paths's avatar pop at top of Naruto's body resembling Sage of six paths himself.
  • IT WILL BE JUST TEMPORARY POWER UP to reveal Sage of six paths, his past and his sons and also only way to stop Madara if he become Ten tails host. NOT PERNAMENT POWER UP, it will only last until Sage of six paths chakra run out.
  • Sage of six paths chakra sealed all his remaining chakra in tailed beasts, with the biggest amount in Kurama. Only gettin trust of all tailed beasts along with a bit of their chakra can bring SOSP back.

Thanks for reading !
Awesome, + rep these are the kinds of ideas I can agrea with. Naruto's power won't be that of the original So6P,
But he may gain some other power. Naruto is definitely the person that the So6P foretold, but ppl think that means he will become the juubi jin or obtain the rinnengan which IMO is ridiculous. Thank you for your post.

Sorry, I need to spread more around before I can rep you again
 

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But, I agree with that. The only thing I disagree with is Naruto becoming the Juubi jin. Or getting the Rinnengan.

There is something that has been bothering me from the start of this thread, for a while...

Why are you against this idea?
 

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There is something that has been bothering me from the start of this thread, for a while...

Why are you against this idea?

Well, frankly its the only major theory that I can't stand. Not only does it go against Kishimoto's foretold progression of the manga, but it goes against the very things Naruto even stood for. It makes him seem like a hypocrite.
Naruto becoming the 10 tails jinchuuriki=
1. Centralized power the manga states the need for a separation.

2. It solves nothing. The prejudice of the bijuu will still be there when Naruto is gone. They will still be hated/ pursued for their power and used as weapons just as soon as Naruto dies, because the beasts would have been inside his body the whole time. The ppl won't come to acknowledge the bijuu as he has bcuz they won't have had the time to appreciate THEM.

3. Naruto comes off as a hypocrite because he is using the same methods that the villains used. Even if it is with good reason. There needs to be a clear separation between good guys and bad guys (sounds lame I know, but couldn't think of a better way to say it.) Thats why I don't even want Sasuke to get the Rinnengan, it makes him too much like the opposition.

4.It messes with the story's foretold progression. If Naruto is leagues stronger than Madara or even Sasuke what's the point of a fight at all? Its boring.:rage:

5. Naruto getting a sharingan related doujutsu....... really do I really have to even explain that one.

Teamwork, comradary, balance if Naruto Becomes the Juubi jinchuuriki all of ideologies that have been so present in the manga go right down the crapper.

IMO Naruto becoming the Juubi jin. Is literally the one thing that can not be allowed to happen in this manga.
 
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