[Discussion] Naruto = So6P??? (Scans please)

[rollin]

Ok, first: He is the main character, so it's expected that he would be the hero of the planet in the end of the story. But anyway, the scans are here:

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Son goku talking about the sage's last words, saying that he thinks the sage was talking about naruto.

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Here's the sage's words and the bijuus agreeing that the person the sage was talking about was Naruto.

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Here's the juubi facing naruto. The juubi sense the bijuu's chakras in naruto, and these chakras plus naruto's will reminds the juubi of rikudou.

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Here the bijuus are congratulating and thanking naruto for saving them. I guess this is not a hint of anything, though, but I decided to put it here anyway.

These are the scans that make people think that naruto is going to be the next rikudou sennin, of naruto is rikudou's reincarnation, or that naruto will become the juubi jin.

Honestly, I think that naruto is not any of that. I think he will just continue the sage's works or path. Maybe, MAYBE, he can become the jin, but I don't think so. I think he wants to free the bijuus.

But the pseudo jin thing makes sense. Naruto has the chakra of almost all bijuu, and when he gains the chakra of shukaku and hachibi, he might achieve that state. Let's see what happens.

i agree with you,but naruto doesn't have the other bijuus chakra anymore
they got it back when he used it to pull them out of obito,the sage said that the ten-tails revival will signal the end of the world, so they trusted naruto and gave them the chakra to split them back up

 

[iNotorious]

Hey AlphaE20, try to destroy this one...

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#MangaPhux!

 

[ANiMUS]

Hey AlphaE20, try to destroy this one...

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Easy, someone actually destroyed this one for me a few months ago. This is a showing of parallel wills. Though all the bijuu aren't fond of humans they all contain the Sage's will. The Hachibi is missing because he hasn't been absorbed by the juubi. This same will is found in Naruto and arises deep seeded animosity from the Juubi

Also he might of lost that chakra seeing how that is what attracted the bijuu, Naruto might have given that chakra back to the bijuu

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[uhIpooped]

Ok, first: He is the main character, so it's expected that he would be the hero of the planet in the end of the story. But anyway, the scans are here:

Spoiler

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Son goku talking about the sage's last words, saying that he thinks the sage was talking about naruto.

Spoiler

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You must be registered for see images

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Here's the sage's words and the bijuus agreeing that the person the sage was talking about was Naruto.

Spoiler

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Here's the juubi facing naruto. The juubi sense the bijuu's chakras in naruto, and these chakras plus naruto's will reminds the juubi of rikudou.

Spoiler

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Here the bijuus are congratulating and thanking naruto for saving them. I guess this is not a hint of anything, though, but I decided to put it here anyway.

These are the scans that make people think that naruto is going to be the next rikudou sennin, of naruto is rikudou's reincarnation, or that naruto will become the juubi jin.

Honestly, I think that naruto is not any of that. I think he will just continue the sage's works or path. Maybe, MAYBE, he can become the jin, but I don't think so. I think he wants to free the bijuus.

But the pseudo jin thing makes sense. Naruto has the chakra of almost all bijuu, and when he gains the chakra of shukaku and hachibi, he might achieve that state. Let's see what happens.

Well, I'd like to believe that (looking at the whole story) Naruto won't become a jin.. and this is where SO6P failed, he forced the Juubi into himself, and later other villages also forced the beasts into a jin. I believe the moral here is not to take/force ones will upon another. This is where Naruto will differ, He is not collecting beast powers, yet the beasts are giving them to him freely, which imho will be much more powerful than someone forcing the beasts into submission.. Also this is why the beasts hate humans... because we force them to do our bidding. (few exceptions)

 

[Mr Hiru]

Easy, someone actually destroyed this one for me a few months ago. This is a showing of parallel wills. Though all the bijuu aren't fond of humans they all contain the Sage's will. The Hachibi is missing because he hasn't been absorbed by the juubi.

Excuse me? The Hachibi's tentacle (the supposed Killer Bee that was captured by Sasuke in Kumogakure) was retrieved to Tobi and then absorbed by the Mazou, so that doesn't make any sense.

Furthermore, as far as I know, this was supposedly corrected, since Naruto did not have Ichibi's chakra (

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Anyways, it doesn't matter how it is interpreted, "parallel wills" as you say, or "the possible next sage" as I say... what's the proof of my own interpretation? What's the proof of the interpretation you bought? Who cares! Objectively said, that's a foreshadowing. You can't prove something with interpretations, you need proofs... so...

So, that being said I would like to ask that any of you who wish to defend this theory to provide scans of this foreshadowing and I will provide viz translations and do my best to DESTROY and discredit any scans provided in a thread that I will create tonight.

I did what you asked for, so don't bring void statements without solid proof supporting them. The only way to break my supported statements are proof... ViZ if you will, since you said you would bring these. I'll wait for your proof to break my scan. That interpretation is not enough.

 

[ANiMUS]

Well, I'd like to believe that (looking at the whole story) Naruto won't become a jin.. and this is where SO6P failed, he forced the Juubi into himself, and later other villages also forced the beasts into a jin. I believe the moral here is not to take/force ones will upon another. This is where Naruto will differ, He is not collecting beast powers, yet the beasts are giving them to him freely, which imho will be much more powerful than someone forcing the beasts into submission.. Also this is why the beasts hate humans... because we force them to do our bidding. (few exceptions)

Good point, but humans can't learn to accept the bests if they all stay inside Naruto. If Naruto and his generation dies the Bijuu are released and ppl will act with the same past ignorance towards them. Rather than the bijuu becoming Naruto's power, it would be much better for the SA to see the bijuu as comrades.

 

[ANiMUS]

Excuse me? The Hachibi's tentacle (the supposed Killer Bee that was captured by Sasuke in Kumogakure) was retrieved to Tobi and then absorbed by the Mazou, so that doesn't make any sense.

Furthermore, as far as I know, this was supposedly corrected, since Naruto did not have Ichibi's chakra (

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).

Anyways, it doesn't matter how it is interpreted, "parallel wills" as you say, or "the possible next sage" as I say... what's the proof of my own interpretation? What's the proof of the interpretation you bought? Who cares! Objectively said, that's a foreshadowing. You can't prove something with interpretations, you need proofs... so...



I did what you asked for, so don't bring void statements without solid proof supporting them. The only way to break my supported statements are proof... ViZ if you will, since you said you would bring these. I'll wait for your proof to break my scan. That interpretation is not enough.

I can tell you plan on torturing me so before I start my quest for Facts I must first get your opinion. What is your detailed opinion of what this scan describes

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[iNotorious]

I can tell you plan on torturing me so before I start my quest for Facts I must first get your opinion. What is your detailed opinion of what this scan describes

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Juubi got scared of naruto

 

[ANiMUS]

Juubi got scared of naruto

Correct!!!flowers:flowers
Still, I can't counter something I agree with

 

[Mr Hiru]

I can tell you plan on torturing me so before I start my quest for Facts I must first get your opinion. What is your detailed opinion of what this scan describes

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I'd hardly call my intervention as a torture. The reason of why I entered this topic is easy: You're in my field of expertice, theory breaking. This is a fun way to kill time, and so I thought... "It's AlphaE20, things could be interesting... maybe I can join and break scans with him".

So I tried to test a bit with something that had anything but "translation mistakes", something that you referenced on OT. Yes, my scans were not translation mistakes, they were only images that could only be "interpreted", and as I expected, you gave me an interpretation. But knowing your style of argumentation, I was also expecting a scan to prove me wrong, for instance,

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. Indeed, the corrected image of the scan didn't have Shukaku inside because Naruto did not met Shukaku, and this was confirmed when Naruto, Sasuke, Gaara and Bee extracted the beasts from the Ten Tails Jinchuuriki.

Now, as now I explained the "interpretation trick", now I'll give you my most objective opinion about these scans, of course taking in mind that Shukaku did not appear in the final version of this image.

> The first one was just placebo... it doesn't mean anything special.

> But the second one is tricky... but not that hard.

Panels show this sequence:

- The beasts chakra that are inside Naruto. (

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- Second image shows what the Juubi saw through Naruto
- Third image shows the Juubi noticing the Sage's presence
- Fourth image shows the Juubi going berserk as consequence of him seeing the Hermit essence in Naruto.

...This interpretation is based on single fact:

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. He divided his vitality and imagination to create these beasts, that's Banbutsu Sōzō after all.

 

[UnrealSoul]

Excuse me? The Hachibi's tentacle (the supposed Killer Bee that was captured by Sasuke in Kumogakure) was retrieved to Tobi and then absorbed by the Mazou, so that doesn't make any sense.

Furthermore, as far as I know, this was supposedly corrected, since Naruto did not have Ichibi's chakra (

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).

Anyways, it doesn't matter how it is interpreted, "parallel wills" as you say, or "the possible next sage" as I say... what's the proof of my own interpretation? What's the proof of the interpretation you bought? Who cares! Objectively said, that's a foreshadowing. You can't prove something with interpretations, you need proofs... so...



I did what you asked for, so don't bring void statements without solid proof supporting them. The only way to break my supported statements are proof... ViZ if you will, since you said you would bring these. I'll wait for your proof to break my scan. That interpretation is not enough.

So you think he will become the next sage in terms of power,ideals,or both?

 

[Mr Hiru]

So you think he will become the next sage in terms of power,ideals,or both?

Last chapter revealed how Kurama was extracted from Naruto, so he doesn't have more Kurama chakra. I highly doubt Naruto will become like the Sage in terms of power.

AlphaE20 asked for foreshadowing, and my answer was simple... Naruto will become a successor. As the sage gave his legacy to new generations, it's only natural to assume that Naruto will carry at least his ideals. But I'm not negating the possibility of Naruto achieving both power and ideals.

 

[ANiMUS]

I'd hardly call my intervention as a torture. The reason of why I entered this topic is easy: You're in my field of expertice, theory breaking. This is a fun way to kill time, and so I thought... "It's AlphaE20, things could be interesting... maybe I can join and break scans with him".

So I tried to test a bit with something that had anything but "translation mistakes", something that you referenced on OT. Yes, my scans were not translation mistakes, they were only images that could only be "interpreted", and as I expected, you gave me an interpretation. But knowing your style of argumentation, I was also expecting a scan to prove me wrong, for instance,

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. Indeed, the corrected image of the scan didn't have Shukaku inside because Naruto did not met Shukaku, and this was confirmed when Naruto, Sasuke, Gaara and Bee extracted the beasts from the Ten Tails Jinchuuriki.

Now, as now I explained the "interpretation trick", now I'll give you my most objective opinion about these scans, of course taking in mind that Shukaku did not appear in the final version of this image.

> The first one was just placebo... it doesn't mean anything special.

> But the second one is tricky... but not that hard.

Panels show this sequence:

- The beasts chakra that are inside Naruto. (

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)
- Second image shows what the Juubi saw through Naruto
- Third image shows the Juubi noticing the Sage's presence
- Fourth image shows the Juubi going berserk as consequence of him seeing the Hermit essence in Naruto.

...This interpretation is based on single fact:

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. He divided his vitality and imagination to create these beasts, that's Banbutsu Sōzō after all.

I can see the Bijuu being created from the sage's will for one thing, but why DNA???
Also, This can't be an interpretation of the Tailed Beast's chakra, because it contains the Ichibi. Naruto doesn't have that.

 

[UnrealSoul]

Last chapter revealed how Kurama was extracted from Naruto, so he doesn't have more Kurama chakra. I highly doubt Naruto will become like the Sage in terms of power.

AlphaE20 asked for foreshadowing, and my answer was simple... Naruto will become a successor. As the sage gave his legacy to new generations, it's only natural to assume that Naruto will carry at least his ideals. But I'm not negating the possibility of Naruto achieving both power and ideals.

True enough, I prefer ideals as power is a bit cliche,but given the circumstances with Madara it's inevitable to happen in the logical way.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I can see the Bijuu being created from the sage's will one thing, but why DNA???
Also, This can't be an interpretation of the Tailed Beast's chakra, because it contains the Ichibi. Naruto doesn't have that.

Because one of the components of the Yang on the Banbutsu Sōzō is the Body essence, the Vitality, the Lifeforce if you will. That's how his younger son inherited his Body.

About the Ichibi thing... didn't you read the

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? The RAW corrected that image, the one I expected you to find... The Ichibi/Shukaku doesn't appear in the final version, so actually these are all the beasts chakra Naruto had until that point!

 

[ANiMUS]

Because one of the components of the Yang on the Banbutsu Sōzō is the Body essence, the Vitality, the Lifeforce if you will. That's how his younger son inherited his Body.

About the Ichibi thing... didn't you read the

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? The RAW corrected that image, the one I expected you to find... The Ichibi/Shukaku doesn't appear in the final version, so actually these are all the beasts chakra Naruto had until that point!

Actually in the viz translation the Ichibi is still there

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is that the one from the volumes?

If so then that is unmistakably the bijuu chakra.

 

[VJ87G]

But what will happen in chap 661, we'll wait and see.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Actually in the viz translation the Ichibi is still there

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is that the one from the volumes?

If so then that is unmistakably the bijuu chakra.

It seems like Kishimoto messed up with that one.

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Tankōbon (

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[ANiMUS]

I'd hardly call my intervention as a torture. The reason of why I entered this topic is easy: You're in my field of expertice, theory breaking. This is a fun way to kill time, and so I thought... "It's AlphaE20, things could be interesting... maybe I can join and break scans with him".

So I tried to test a bit with something that had anything but "translation mistakes", something that you referenced on OT. Yes, my scans were not translation mistakes, they were only images that could only be "interpreted", and as I expected, you gave me an interpretation. But knowing your style of argumentation, I was also expecting a scan to prove me wrong, for instance,

You must be registered for see links

. Indeed, the corrected image of the scan didn't have Shukaku inside because Naruto did not met Shukaku, and this was confirmed when Naruto, Sasuke, Gaara and Bee extracted the beasts from the Ten Tails Jinchuuriki.

Now, as now I explained the "interpretation trick", now I'll give you my most objective opinion about these scans, of course taking in mind that Shukaku did not appear in the final version of this image.

> The first one was just placebo... it doesn't mean anything special.

> But the second one is tricky... but not that hard.

Panels show this sequence:

- The beasts chakra that are inside Naruto. (

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)
- Second image shows what the Juubi saw through Naruto
- Third image shows the Juubi noticing the Sage's presence
- Fourth image shows the Juubi going berserk as consequence of him seeing the Hermit essence in Naruto.

...This interpretation is based on single fact:

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. He divided his vitality and imagination to create these beasts, that's Banbutsu Sōzō after all.

Ok, now that I know where to work from I can tell you that I agree with 95% of your statement. The only part that I find fault with is the creation of all things and the statement that the bijuu are an accumulation of the Sage's chakra.

They aren't, in fact the 9 bijuu are the separation of the Juubi's chakra given life by In'youton. That being said you aren't completely wrong at all I also believe that the Sage implanted part of his essence inside the bijuu and that is most likely what the bijuu gave Naruto. So as a result Naruto was shown as having the Sage's essence within him.

So let me ask you, Do you think that Naruto will become the 10 tails jinchuuriki or gain the Rinnengan???

 

[Mr Hiru]

Ok, now that I know where to work from I can tell you that I agree with 95% of your statement. The only part that I find fault with is the creation of all things and the statement that the bijuu are an accumulation of the Sage's chakra.

They aren't, in fact the 9 bijuu are the separation of the Juubi's chakra given life by In'youton. That being said you are completely wrong at all I also believe that the Sage implanted part of his essence inside the bijuu and that is most likely what the bijuu gave Naruto. So as a result Naruto was shown as having the Sage's essence within him.

So let me ask you, Do you think that Naruto will become the 10 tails jinchuuriki or gain the Rinnengan???

It seems we got messed up. Summing it up, as long as we understand that the Sage's essence was inherited through the Bijuu ("how" are details, let's not stop on these trivial matters), we are ok.

About the question...

I said it earlier... power is not the first thing on the list I think Naruto will inherit from the Sage. I'm betting from him becoming his successor in terms of ideals (not a replacement). I'm not shut to Naruto inheriting his power, but first thing is first: The sage's ideals will be what Naruto inherit.

Also, the foreshadowing of Juubi seeing the Bijuus (and by consequence the Sage's essence) inside Naruto is almost too obvious... Manga is shouting that Naruto will recieve a Ten Tail Jinchuuriki state at some point. This is the foreshadow, something that can't be proven, but also can't be proven wrong... a solid possibility.

I don't talk about the Rinnegan since we don't know how the Sage awakened it. We only know how Madara did it.

Taking that apart...

Even I made a theory about what the Juubi saw inside Naruto...

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And I failed miserably. So I'm talking humbly against my own theory that was disproved with facts that came afterwards.