Naruto sage mode vs sasuke and itachi

[Joki]

@Joke, I will not respond here because none of your arguments countered mine?

I mean really, "he 'avoided every vital' because he never hit naruto lol". Do you understand the concept of avoid, and vital, and could?

He avoided every vital because he didn't lay 1 finger on Naruto until bansho tenin, I know what I said. If Naruto weren't at such a disadvantage either then Pain would never have had the chance to even think about using Bansho Tenin in the first place.

I brought up pain because you did first, you made it seem as If SM Naruto > Pain> Uchiha bros which is all rediculous.

It's not ridiculous. Naruto effortlessly one shot every single pain path(see first post) and the only one he didn't was Deva Pain and only because of his disadvantage. Naruto unfortunately this time around mastered Sage Mode, he can actually make use of clones this time. Chou Odama Rasengan crap on Deva and Bansho Tenin in every way possible.

Again you cannot just assume naruto will have 1000 clones, and not be caught in Itachi's genjutsu. When has he ever fail to get someone without a sharingan in a genjutsu? Plus naruto tried to get the drop on Itachi so yes it was a serious battle.

Wait, it's assuming that Naruto will use his absolute number one most used technique? I guess you can't assume Itachi will even think about using genjutsu then.

Yet another logical fallacy, just because Itachi's genjutsu has never "failed" doesn't mean it iwll here. Besides, he's failed before, one tim ein particular when he tried to use genjutsu on a clone. Using genjutsu on 1 random clone out of the thousands is stupid and pointless, Naruto has a perfect counter to genjutsu.

What does SM Naruto have against Yata Mirror?

See first post. Barrage of Rasenshuriken and Chou Odama Rasengan. What has Yata Mirror ever survived that trumps those attacks? Oh yeah, nothing

As for plot your telling me you believe a chunnin could defeat an S Rank Ninja? Lol

Yeah, Sasuke obviously should have won but it would go against the plot, Itachi was way too weak to beat Sasuke. it was plot no jutsu, Itachi had to win for the story. See how stupid logic plot no jutsu logic is?

And as far as your endless shadow clones go OP said he only had 2 extra.

Yeah, 2 extra to prep Sage Mode which he doesn't even need, it just means he can enter it .1 seconds faster than usual. Having 2 clones with SM prepared=/=being able to only make 2.

Being back home now I gotta say I think the lack of a shift key impairs my debating level.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

This just came to me: is Naruto allowed to fuse with Fukasaku and Shima? If so then that will completely alter his odds at winning the battle.

I guess Naruto's odds even out if you assume he can summon those two toads, not only because of their jutsu and skill but also because of their Genjutsu.

The question becomes: will the Uchiha bros pressure Naruto enough to do this? I say yes. I assume Kurama's power cannot be used at all, so logically Naruto who'll be stretched so thin has to opt for the next best thing.

It takes a while to summon those two, unless he starts the battle with both of them.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

He avoided every vital because he didn't lay 1 finger on Naruto until bansho tenin, I know what I said. If Naruto weren't at such a disadvantage either then Pain would never have had the chance to even think about using Bansho Tenin in the first place.
It's not ridiculous. Naruto effortlessly one shot every single pain path(see first post) and the only one he didn't was Deva Pain and only because of his disadvantage. Naruto unfortunately this time around mastered Sage Mode, he can actually make use of clones this time. Chou Odama Rasengan crap on Deva and Bansho Tenin in every way possible. Wait, it's assuming that Naruto will use his absolute number one most used technique? I guess you can't assume Itachi will even think about using genjutsu then.

Yet another logical fallacy, just because Itachi's genjutsu has never "failed" doesn't mean it iwll here. Besides, he's failed before, one tim ein particular when he tried to use genjutsu on a clone. Using genjutsu on 1 random clone out of the thousands is stupid and pointless, Naruto has a perfect counter to genjutsu.

See first post. Barrage of Rasenshuriken and Chou Odama Rasengan. What has Yata Mirror ever survived that trumps those attacks? Oh yeah, nothing
Yeah, Sasuke obviously should have won but it would go against the plot, Itachi was way too weak to beat Sasuke. it was plot no jutsu, Itachi had to win for the story. See how stupid logic plot no jutsu logic is?

Yeah, 2 extra to prep Sage Mode which he doesn't even need, it just means he can enter it .1 seconds faster than usual. Having 2 clones with SM prepared=/=being able to only make 2.

Being back home now I gotta say I think the lack of a shift key impairs my debating level.

Well seeing as one of those could not break a rib-cage susano, what makes you think a barrage of those would defeat yata mirror even with it's ability to deflect attacks.

 

[Excite]

this was because he hadn't used any clones whatsoever and wasn't in a serious battle situation. if naruto had 1k clones on the field that can't possibly happen, and he's learned from every single previous encounter.
that little thing will stop 2000 clones all wielding rasengans bigger than cars? itll just fueld the giant rasengans and spread them onto sasuke and itachi as they all explode in their faces.

he 'avoided every vital' because he never hit naruto lol. you're doing it again, this is naruto vs itachi and sasuke, not naruto vs pain.
nope, it was obviously plot no jutsu you can't prove me wrong it was plot no jutsu he should have won.

just like naruto despite not seeing gaara since part 1 said he had the strongest shield after fighting 3rd raikage despite having no possible way to know that? they didnt have a serious fight, they clashed rasengan and chidori one time. naruto's no all knowing determiner of fights.

and he does have the power of the nine tails now

yeah, that was because he had 0 chakra and tsunade refused to heal him. he had to charge his chakra so he could perform and frs.


i kinda figured the op didn't know naruto got over that weakness either.

He said he thinks he has the best sheild not that he does thinking n knowing is two different things

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[Joki]

Well seeing as one of those could not break a rib-cage susano, what makes you think a barrage of those would defeat yata mirror even with it's ability to deflect attacks.

Uhh, well for one because there's a barrage of them, two because Tsunade's punch ended up breaking through, three because they were said to hollow out an entire mountain, four because Naruto was in base, five because he ca barrage with FRS, six because Itachi's Susano'o has never taken attacks to that level etc etc.

He said he thinks he has the best sheild not that he does thinking n knowing is two different things

He also hadn't seen Gaara since part 1, he had absolutely no way or knowing that or even using that logically. He was being a 'fanboy' lol. Clashing Chidori + Rasengan one time also is a different thing than "knowing".

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Uhh, well for one because there's a barrage of them, two because Tsunade's punch ended up breaking through, three because they were said to hollow out an entire mountain, four because Naruto was in base, five because he ca barrage with FRS, six because Itachi's Susano'o has never taken attacks to that level etc etc.

He also hadn't seen Gaara since part 1, he had absolutely no way or knowing that or even using that logically. He was being a 'fanboy' lol. Clashing Chidori + Rasengan one time also is a different thing than "knowing".

it hasn't been shown but you can't say that it will defeat Yata mirror.

 

[Joki]

it hasn't been shown but you can't say that it will defeat Yata mirror.

Why not? I've been given nothing to suggest that it will be able to stop it, and Yata Mirror can't cover all of Susano'o when Itachi is surrounded by clones.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Why not? I've been given nothing to suggest that it will be able to stop it, and Yata Mirror can't cover all of Susano'o when Itachi is surrounded by clones.

It has been said to deflect any attack. Which includes FRS or in this case FRSs
lol they surround him ? it's not like he stands there waiting for them to hit him.

 

[Joki]

It has been said to deflect any attack. Which includes FRS or in this case FRSs
lol they surround him ? it's not like he stands there waiting for them to hit him.

Then what will he do? It doesn't matter where he moves, he's running into Chou Odama Barrage in every direction. "Any attack", because I've never seen it deflect "any attack" let alone attacks that were said to "hollow an entire mountain" especially when it hits the suasno'o and avoids Yata Mirror completely because I've yet to see Yata Mirror completely surround Susano'o/

 

[Maunten]

You really arent to be taken seriously. Usually i dont reply to people i deem trolls or people who are lacking up there.

This argument is nothing, and you are not to be taken seriously.


Naruto will only fall under itachi's genjutsu if he looks into his eyes, his senjutsu give him immense chakra sensing abilities, allowing hmm to sense others without seeing hearing or smelling them.

Amaterasu is nowhere near as fast as people claim, claiming that susanoo can't be broken by rasenshuriken is absurd.

Naruto is faster than both itachi and sasuke during sage mode, and the power of his already OP techs is magnified.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Then what will he do? It doesn't matter where he moves, he's running into Chou Odama Barrage in every direction. "Any attack", because I've never seen it deflect "any attack" let alone attacks that were said to "hollow an entire mountain" especially when it hits the suasno'o and avoids Yata Mirror completely because I've yet to see Yata Mirror completely surround Susano'o/

it doesn;t surround but it protects the entire front which is all he needs why would he let a clone get behind him and attack. And if u still insist. Sasuke is also in this fight mind u, he amaterasu some of them, shoot them down and so on....
Also how many FRS can naruto use in sage mode?

 

[Maunten]

it doesn;t surround but it protects the entire front which is all he needs why would he let a clone get behind him and attack. And if u still insist. Sasuke is also in this fight mind u, he amaterasu some of them, shoot them down and so on....

How long is itachi going to be able to maintain susanoo for especially during an intense fight, this is not edo itachi, both sasuke and itachi can't even out last naruto in perfected sage mode.

Not to mention naruto can summon the aid of the chief toad.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

How long is itachi going to be able to maintain susanoo for especially during an intense fight, this is not edo itachi, both sasuke and itachi can't even out last naruto in perfected sage mode.

Not to mention naruto can summon the aid of the chief toad.

Plz be clear in ur OP
does he have perfect sage mode or not?
Sasuke has Ems no? unless you restrict it
2ndly is Itachi sick or not if he isn't he can last longer than he did against Sasuke

 

[Maunten]

Plz be clear in ur OP
does he have perfect sage mode or not?
Sasuke has Ems no? unless you restrict it
2ndly is Itachi sick or not if he isn't he can last longer than he did against Sasuke

I apologise if I was not clear, sasuke is EMS, itachi is MS non edo ( I assumed that meant he was as he was in his non Edo state, sickly)

 

[TheSages456]

itachi and sasuke of course. sm naruto cant take on double susano. if both the uchiha bros use final form susano naruto would lose quickly. sasuke could spam blaze release magatamas to take out any clones. double amaterasu incinerates the clone army. chidori senbon could wipe out a few maybe. rasenshuriken would be tanked by susano.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

itachi and sasuke of course. sm naruto cant take on double susano. if both the uchiha bros use final form susano naruto would lose quickly. sasuke could spam blaze release magatamas to take out any clones. double amaterasu incinerates the clone army. chidori senbon could wipe out a few maybe. rasenshuriken would be tanked by susano.

took the words right outta my mouth Except for the chidori part. +rep.

 

[Maunten]

..and you want to participate in the debate tournament? That's ridiculous.

Lol I haven't even begun I can litter this place with scans backed with well reasoned arguments but would that be the appropriate response to 2 line arguments insulting the integrity of the thread, also I am the OP the thread was started to spark debate.

As for your use of an ad hominem, your aim is to defeat me and not my argument correct?

Just as so called reputable debater as blaze release used, I could also sense an implied appeal to authority by the fact that he felt he had the right to address another NB poster in the way that he did.

Perhaps his reputation has corrupted his own reasoning and he has not take the proper precautions of thought before responding to posts.

itachi and sasuke of course. sm naruto cant take on double susano. if both the uchiha bros use final form susano naruto would lose quickly. sasuke could spam blaze release magatamas to take out any clones. double amaterasu incinerates the clone army. chidori senbon could wipe out a few maybe. rasenshuriken would be tanked by susano.

Sasuke spamming blaze release magatamas????? Even at EMS level when has sasuke had the stamina to spam techs like that long term during a fight?

An amaterasu incinerates shadow clone army?? Susanoo tanks rasenshuriken lol?

I'll just add nothing has tanked a rasenshuriken other than the skin of the third raikage and karuma.

itachi and sasuke of course. sm naruto cant take on double susano. if both the uchiha bros use final form susano naruto would lose quickly. sasuke could spam blaze release magatamas to take out any clones. double amaterasu incinerates the clone army. chidori senbon could wipe out a few maybe. rasenshuriken would be tanked by susano.

Sasuke spamming blaze release magatamas????? Even at EMS level when has sasuke had the stamina to spam techs like that long term during a fight?

An amaterasu incinerates shadow clone army?? Susanoo tanks rasenshuriken lol?

I'll just add nothing has tanked a rasenshuriken other than the skin of the third raikage and karuma.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Sasuke spamming blaze release magatamas????? Even at EMS level when has sasuke had the stamina to spam techs like that long term during a fight?

An amaterasu incinerates shadow clone army?? Susanoo tanks rasenshuriken lol?

I'll just add nothing has tanked a rasenshuriken other than the skin of the third raikage and karuma.



Sasuke spamming blaze release magatamas????? Even at EMS level when has sasuke had the stamina to spam techs like that long term during a fight?

An amaterasu incinerates shadow clone army?? Susanoo tanks rasenshuriken lol?

I'll just add nothing has tanked a rasenshuriken other than the skin of the third raikage and karuma.

Yata mirror.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

rasenshuriken is strong yes but it can't beat yata mirror. naruto cannot create a barrage of FRS in SM

 

[Maunten]

Yata mirror.

Sasuke and itachis best bet against rasenshuriken is to keep there distance from each other and attack flank naruto, as the rasenshuriken explosion is huge can can easily engulf both susanoo's if they are close to one another even if naruto targets sasuke first.