Naruto never came close to controlling Kurama's power on his own

[Kakooli]

ems =itachi made this happen, not sasuke

amatarasu=itachi made this happen, not sasuke

Make a thread on it and discuss it there.

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[InfiniteMugen]

Nah, that's you but enjoy your circlejerk.

How can I misinterpret my own thread when I didn't make this thread?? :sdo:

 

[Kakooli]

He's controlling it each time he uses kcm on his own. If you wanted to make a bash thread about how naruto never gained access to kuramas chakra on his own, then maybe you should of called the thread that :sdo: as it stands your making yourself look like a fool. Let me repeat. Every time naruto enters kcm he's controlling kuramas chakra without kuramas cooperation... What was kcm called with co op? Bm. How he got it is irrelevant to him controlling it after

Except when you have a limit of 1 KCM clone like Naruto did and proceed to instantly spam thousands of clones which would otherwise get him killed unless the Kyuubi let it slide, then he's not controlling this power alone.

How can someone who didn't even understand the limitations of the power that was supposedly theirs, control it?

 

[Kakooli]

How can I misinterpret my own thread when I didn't make this thread?? :sdo:

I predicted this reply. You're so basic.

 

[Greysama]

I predicted this reply. You're so basic.

Pumpkin spice basic?!

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Except when you have a limit of 1 KCM clone like Naruto did and proceed to instantly spam thousands of clones which would otherwise get him killed unless the Kyuubi let it slide, then he's not controlling this power alone.

How can someone who didn't even understand the limitations of the power that was supposedly theirs, control it?

Cause he got better with kcm? Dude even if your right, your still not refuting the fact that naruto is CONTROLLING it on his own, kuramas not making the clones for him, even in your scenario kuramas just giving him chakra, narutos the one controlling what it does.

 

[Blackzoro]

The manga is over and this guy is still salty about his fave taking an L

 

[InfiniteMugen]

And just to end this. What would you call this? Cause I'm pretty sure this happened BEFORE kurama "turned a blind eye" as you say

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[Kakooli]

Cause he got better with kcm? Dude even if your right, your still not refuting the fact that naruto is CONTROLLING it on his own, kuramas not making the clones for him, even in your scenario kuramas just giving him chakra, narutos the one controlling what it does.

With cooperation (Kurama not resisting/no tussle for chakra) it's not that impressive of a feat. Naruto already has a huge reserve of chakra which he could use well before trying to make Kurama's powers his own. Pain arc sage mode Naruto is a great example of this. Cooperation from Kurama means he has full access to a near-infinite source of chakra to control. There's a huge margin for error on Naruto's part with cooperation as opposed to without.

Compare it to robbing a bank. In one scenario you have to use the tools you have (let's say a few lock picks for argument's sake) to open the vault. In the other scenario you already have the security code for the vault and merely have to punch it in to gain what's inside.

1 KCM clone was his limit without co-op. The moment he won the tussle he spammed thousands and entered the battlefield, how he was able to surpass him limitations was later explained by the 8 tails who said the Kyuubi let it slide. I think it's fairly straightforward.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

With cooperation (Kurama not resisting/no tussle for chakra) it's not that impressive of a feat. Naruto already has a huge reserve of chakra which he could use well before trying to make Kurama's powers his own. Pain arc sage mode Naruto is a great example of this. Cooperation from Kurama means he has full access to a near-infinite source of chakra to control. There's a huge margin for error on Naruto's part with cooperation as opposed to without.

Compare it to robbing a bank. In one scenario you have to use the tools you have (let's say a few lock picks for argument's sake) to open the vault. In the other scenario you already have the security code for the vault and merely have to punch it in to gain what's inside.

1 KCM clone was his limit without co-op. The moment he won the tussle he spammed thousands and entered the battlefield, how he was able to surpass him limitations was later explained by the 8 tails who said the Kyuubi let it slide. I think it's fairly straightforward.

He didn't have full cooperation from kurama until bm.... It doesn't even show kurama not caring until much later.... You have a problem with the way kishi did sh t that's between you and him, I'm simply going by the manga. The scan I posted is literally when bee and naruto enter the war.... So kurama was turning a blind eye and cooperating directly after naruto got kcm? Ok :elmo:

 

[Kakooli]

He didn't have full cooperation from kurama until bm.... It doesn't even show kurama not caring until much later.... You have a problem with the way kishi did sh t that's between you and him, I'm simply going by the manga. The scan I posted is literally when bee and naruto enter the war.... So kurama was turning a blind eye and cooperating directly after naruto got kcm? Ok :elmo:

I already explained this.

Naruto had a limit of 1 KCM clone and he spammed a bunch as he entered the war. I've said this countless times. The explanation for why he was able to do this was offered later down the line

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Kurama clearly stopped taking chakra from him around the time he entered the battlefield.

I remember the base years ago when these chapters first came out and people on here were like "how is Naruto able to spam clones when his limit was 1? PLOT, BS, BAD WRITING!" and then later down the line there was an explanation for it in the form of this scan.

We can just agree to disagree if you like but what I'm saying is true.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I already explained this.

Naruto had a limit of 1 KCM clone and he spammed a bunch as he entered the war. I've said this countless times. The explanation for why he was able to do this was offered later down the line

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Kurama clearly stopped taking chakra from him around the time he entered the battlefield.

I remember the base years ago when these chapters first came out and people on here were like "how is Naruto able to spam clones when his limit was 1? PLOT, BS, BAD WRITING!" and then later down the line there was an explanation for it in the form of this scan.

We can just agree to disagree if you like but what I'm saying is true.

No it's not, regardless of how much chakra kurama allows naruto access to, it's still naruto controlling it. Even then, your scan happens WAY down the line after way more clones. Kurama does stop after awhile, but not at the point I showed. Again.... In any chakra mode it's naruto controlling kuramas chakra unless you see them switch over like when kurama gives kakashi chakra and throws him into kamui

 

[super michael]

"Dojustsu requires training and hard work" -Said No One Ever

Weird I remember someone mentioning Kakashi should train Sasuke with the Sharingan, maybe I might be remember filler or just plain wrong.

Found it although different than I thought

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It was about Sasuke learning to use the Sharingan.

 

[shelke]

Wow bro its amazing how people can read a manga things go right over everyone's heads. It was never meant to be done all on his own, but its a fools errand to act like he didnt do a thing to get that far.

Sasuke does all of his training and power-ups off screen nobody bats an eye. We see step by grueling step how hard Naruto trains and people still butthurt over his accomplishments. And its only Sasuke fans that feel this way cuz you all think Sasuke got the short end of the stick.

News flash! SASUKE IS BEAST AND WILL ALWAYS BE BEAST. Its Naruto who needed to catch up, stop hating that he caught up.

Doesn't change my argument. He has never or seldom kneaded Bijuu chakra. I mean, look at this, every single bijuu kneaded the chakra for his Rasengans. So, what is he doing by himself, again?

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Kurama does it for BM all the time. It did for the last battle as well:

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He caught up? You mean in raw power department that is managed, run and kneaded by Kurama and not himself? So, what does this guy do by himself?

 

[Kakooli]

No it's not, regardless of how much chakra kurama allows naruto access to, it's still naruto controlling it. Even then, your scan happens WAY down the line after way more clones. Kurama does stop after awhile, but not at the point I showed. Again.... In any chakra mode it's naruto controlling kuramas chakra unless you see them switch over like when kurama gives kakashi chakra and throws him into kamui

I didn't know that 21 chapters was WAY down the line. Especially since 21 chapters can sometimes cover only mere minutes in the NV.

There's no point in repeating the same points. You have your view on the matter and I'll keep mine.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I didn't know that 21 chapters was WAY down the line. Especially since 21 chapters can sometimes cover only mere minutes in the NV.

There's no point in repeating the same points. You have your view on the matter and I'll keep mine.

Id say it's enough time to show that even by your logic he controlled kuramas chakra on his own, if even for a day or 2 or a couple of hours. You said never :elmo:

 

[Kakooli]

Id say it's enough time to show that even by your logic he controlled kuramas chakra on his own, if even for a day or 2 or a couple of hours. You said never :elmo:

The scan clearly justifies why Naruto was able to exceed his 1 KCM limit but you won't accept that.

 

[To Whatever]

Saved by Dad after being overwhelmed by Kurama

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Was about to lose his battle with Kurama until mom stepped in

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Even after this when he gained KCM he was only limited to using 1 clone or else he'd die due to Kurama tussling with him. Naruto didn't understand this and spammed clones in every direction during the war. Again, he was spared by Kurama showing mercy by not fighting him for chakra.

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To summarize, this is how Naruto gained full control of the kyuubi.

Stage 1: "Lend me your power!"
Stage 2: "Help me dad!"
Stage 3: "Save me Mom!"
Stage 4: "The kyuubi took pity on me/we became friends. Fully mastered!"

Bail out>Bail out>Pity>friendship>profit.

I don't buy into the idea that Sasuke was trying to kill Sakura in the 5 Kages arc and I have lots of evidence to show you why he wasn't.

Doesn't change my argument. He has never or seldom kneaded Bijuu chakra. I mean, look at this, every single bijuu kneaded the chakra for his Rasengans. So, what is he doing by himself, again?

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Kurama does it for BM all the time. It did for the last battle as well:

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He caught up? You mean in raw power department that is managed, run and kneaded by Kurama and not himself? So, what does this guy do by himself?

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[InfiniteMugen]

The scan clearly justifies why Naruto was able to exceed his 1 KCM limit but you won't accept that.

I don't think I'm the one not accepting facts here, you made a bash thread, and you failed miserably

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Edit: damn wilds!! Beat me to it

 

[Kakooli]

I don't think I'm the one not accepting facts here, you made a bash thread, and you failed miserably

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Edit: damn wilds!! Beat me to it

Just because it goes against your beliefs doesn't make it a "bash thread" but hey, I understand that people on here are sensitive. I'll try better not to hurt your feelings in the future. It's my responsibility as an upstanding member of this community.

Also, what I tend to do in "bash threads" is starve the OP of the replies they say desperately crave. You're falling into the hands of the basher when you engage with them.