"Naruto manga is for little kids"

[Avani]

lol going on wiki or whatever copy pasting info isn't really justifying anything unless you've actually seen the show to judge for yourself. that korra series atleast the first season (12episode contract) was painfully rushed and mediocre with one of the laziest finales i've seen in awhile and that was with the excessive amount of prep time and ideas to put it together, so that doesn't really prove anything. this isn't really a manga vs western animation. it's a novel vs animation discussion. and I feel the latter (novel) has the advantage because all the ideas and perspective will be from one person therefore saving far less time wasted in discussing their ideas and more time put into dedicating into drawing it out for the weekly or monthly release which in it's self is impressive. Now, look I know what you're saying that could be applied to such manga like one piece where oda legitimately takes his world building seriously and foreshadows quite impressively and still releases weekly then yes you are right. but then you have mangaka's like kishimoto who does the complete opposite, he focuses on his point on few selected amount of characters and builds off that only, and comes up with ideas as he goes along (which has it's pros and cons) rather than plans it all prior and honestly that could only done with a 1-man kinda army which is why I feel they have the easier advantage.

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[LoZelda101]

That only shows their limitation on how it goes when you make a sequel and testing how to go about it with.
Lol at dragging in Oda.

lol i had too, the man is talented.

"There is a trend that people who point out the inconsistency of a story are great, but I don't necessarily think a story must be written coherently." - Oda (GHIBLI Magazine interview)

then that's the best inconsistent manga i've seen then. atleast back before everything revolved around haki.

What works for Oda only will work for him. He is good at world building and people are hooked to it. But there are certain draw backs too which many fans are oblivious to or don't care about because they like it anyway. But suggesting Kishimoto was able to create Naruto without any planning or idea is silly.

lol never said all his ideas were without planning, atleast not my intentions. i'm saying unlike oda, kishi said he goes as he draws, instead of planning further ahead, as long as certain major plot points remain the same (one of which was naruto vs sasuke). I need to find that low key interview. it came out close to around the time he said madara had no weakness and he couldn't figure out one. <-- another interview that indirectly proves my point on his poor planning style. I'm sure it has something to do with that new editor he got around juubi arc which effected the pacing of the story as well.

If it was indeed so how Naruto turned out should be called a masterpiece to be able to tie up so many lose ends so well and being able to create so many memorable characters.( not that I will call it one- and I definitely feel a lot of work was put in for some aspects although it ended up at cost of some other characters losing out in the grand scheme) They are different stories and told in different way. That's all to it. It's not necessary to spread it out with too many characters when you can make it more effective by focusing on fewer.

his "tying loose ends" is what probably killed this manga lol, in my opinion this manga was FARRR better off having no explanation for certain events than the stuff kishi gave us. tldr: uchiha hate cause they love brain chakra, black zetsu origin etc.

We have tons of daily soap operas here which seem to be going fine for first story they tell and then go downhill as time passes because now the writer are dragging on plot and I have seen plenty of examples of how bad it can go even with a single writer. No matter how decent/good he was in the beginning.

I can't disagree with this since it applies to any story but I will say that it's less to do with the writer and more to do with the publishing company and editors. that's probably togashi always HiatusxHiatus to prevent his manga from ending up like bleach or his YYH 3 kings arc.

 

[Avani]

lol i had too, the man is talented.
then that's the best inconsistent manga i've seen then. atleast back before everything revolved around haki.

Whatever floats your boat. I know it's appeal and at the same time I know there are several characters and stories I could skip and it wouldn't have made any difference to me. I have read it all till Zou. But at that point I got so tired of it that I dropped it for a few weeks. I restarted reading it after a few weeks but I don't plan to go back to read the chapters I missed earlier. Not yet. I highly doubt I would be missing anything that has significance. If it had I would just check wiki for what idk.

lol never said all his ideas were without planning, atleast not my intentions. i'm saying unlike oda, kishi said he goes as he draws, instead of planning further ahead, as long as certain major plot points remain the same (one of which was naruto vs sasuke). I need to find that low key interview. it came out close to around the time he said madara had no weakness and he couldn't figure out one. <-- another interview that indirectly proves my point on his poor planning style. I'm sure it has something to do with that new editor he got around juubi arc which effected the pacing of the story as well.

Also find out the date of that interview and the date when Kishimoto said he had finished the manga by and started to work on the movie project due right after it. Madara had shown an instinctive fear of an attack from behind all along. As far as I am concerned that reply was just avoiding any answer.

his "tying loose ends" is what probably killed this manga lol, in my opinion this manga was FARRR better off having no explanation for certain events than the stuff kishi gave us. tldr: uchiha hate cause they love brain chakra, black zetsu origin etc.

The same thing was said by one of the critics for LOK. Naruto had fleshed out techs since start. He couldn't suddenly pull an Oda and get away with it. Whether everyone liked it or not is another matter. Some were ok with it some wanted even more details.

I can't disagree with this since it applies to any story but I will say that it's less to do with the writer and more to do with the publishing company and editors. that's probably togashi always HiatusxHiatus to prevent his manga from ending up like bleach or his YYH 3 kings arc.

Togashi and his wife are already both millionaires with successful manga series. He is in a very comfortable and unique position to work on his own terms, and wish that only a few mangkas can enjoy. Ask mangakas whose mangas despite good enough art skill and fresh idea get cancelled too soon.

 

[Sagebee]

Not Naruto manga, but definitely Naruto anime English dub, because we heeeeavilly censored the blood and gore and swearing. So someone not knowing what Naruto is deciding to watch the English dub might believe it's for 10 year olds.

I remember there definitely being cursing in original series

Part 1 was more gory and pervasive, very raw and uncensored in that regard compared to Part 2, which is weird considering they were children in part 1 and teenagers in part 2. It should have either switched or gotten more mature imo.

So true

 

[LoZelda101]

Whatever floats your boat. I know it's appeal and at the same time I know there are several characters and stories I could skip and it wouldn't have made any difference to me. I have read it all till Zou. But at that point I got so tired of it that I dropped it for a few weeks. I restarted reading it after a few weeks but I don't plan to go back to read the chapters I missed earlier. Not yet. I highly doubt I would be missing anything that has significance. If it had I would just check wiki for what idk.

lmao you I sware...do you have super high standards or something? if something even slightly puts you off you abandon it? cause that's the vibe i'm getting from you. lmao, what series did you actually finished and enjoyed start to finish?

Also find out the date of that interview and the dat when Kishimoto said he had finished the manga by and started to work on the movie project due right after it. Madara had shown an instinctive fear of an attack from behind all along. As far as I am concerned that reply was just avoiding any answer.

lol sorry, was blindsided cause the part you said is something i've been wanting to respond to since the manga ended :lol

I'll try to find it tommarow, I remember originally reading the interview one of articles posted on SAIYAN ISLAND website, it was the same interview where kishi said naruto and sasuke were parallels, when he draws sasuke he always think of naruto and vice versa. I should've saved a link of it cause all I find on google now is post naruto manga conclusion and irrelevant pts interviews.

The same thing was said by one of the critics for LOK. Naruto had fleshed out techs since start. He couldn't suddenly pull an Oda and get away with it. Whether everyone liked it or not is another matter. Some were ok with it some wanted even more details.

LOK was a mess to begin with considering season 1 was suppose to be the true finale, so in a way it's understandable for it's case.

Togashi and his wife are already both millionaires with successful manga series. He is in a very comfortable and unique position to work on his own terms, and wish that only a few mangkas can enjoy. Ask mangakas whose mangas despite good enough art skill and fresh idea get cancelled too soon.

lmao yes, i remember watching one of forneverworld's videos saying he was married to sailor moon mangaka?and probably just being lazy simply because of that financial security. but again, that doesn't prove it was main reason he hiatus the manga. but then again maybe it was, cause G.R.R martin is doing exactly that with game of thrones, but atleast with him he has a giant ass book to type out. but yes I agree nonetheless.

 

[Avani]

lmao you I sware...do you have super high standards or something? if something even slightly puts you off you abandon it? cause that's the vibe i'm getting from you. lmao, what series did you actually finished and enjoyed start to finish?

Lol I probably do. My inner Aquarian can always find something to criticize.

Seriously though I have been fond of actual books and I read a lot. Do I have to enjoy every aspect of a story? I don't think so. I read as long as it has something that interests me. It can be art, it can be the concept, it can be a character, I would like to know more about..yada yada.

I am reading Noblesse and Black haze - neither has same potential to get as popular as OP ever and I can find enough of problems if I am making a list. But I like the central concept of both and they both have characters that intrigued me despite slow start. And the stories are being narrated in engaging way (though Noblesse >black Haze in story writing with fewer issues)and it's not difficult to look past minor concerns.

With Naruto there was almost always one or other character that made me curious and then it was ending so I just finished it. Besides I mostly liked the mythological and folklore part of it. So it's a very personal and subjective part that obviously won't work for everyone. I don't worry over minor details in fighting and still enjoyed the pseudo science he created.

OP was light and fun when I started reading manga at first back in 2011. But even after this much time although I like to read the BG of SH their stories are not dealing with inner conflicts or that complicated- not that much. They are already OP and they will reach their goal. Tom and Jerry style fights are fun but T & J were original. And I have watched it a lot. OP has a similar draw for some Western audience as Naruto has for me- for Japanese it's something new and for them it's familiar names ( the pirate names , icons, use of real people or original comic characters in OP) or backgrounds. But again it doesn't do much for me personally.

Stories in OP are repetitive and get dragged in between and Nakama crap gets tiresome after this much time and character growth is too slow and minor apart from their fighting capabilities. Zou was just a breaking point for me which I had feeling all the time with stupid princess story in Dressrosa. Doflo was the saving grace of that arc. I have read too many stories with talking animals to be impressed by them at my age. And the story plot point could be covered in far less panels and words, so whatever. You may think of it as adding entertainment but for me it's dragging the series.

lol sorry, was blindsided cause the part you said is something i've been wanting to respond to since the manga ended :lol


I'll try to find it tommarow, I remember originally reading the interview one of articles posted on SAIYAN ISLAND website, it was the same interview where kishi said naruto and sasuke were parallels, when he draws sasuke he always think of naruto and vice versa. I should've saved a link of it cause all I find on google now is post naruto manga conclusion and irrelevant pts interviews.

As I said- Find the date when he finished working on the manga by, not just that interview. I know about the interview so that's not the issue.

Anyway it doesn't matter much either way for me because the death was very fitting in the story so even if he was stuck at one point what to do with it, he did it nicely. It was the overconfidence and arrogance at the point that made Madara lower his sense of caution and got him done in.

Only thing I would have done differently there is making the tree spirit the final villain and BZ being connected to it instead of an alien from Moon. But Kishi, being Kishi, had to blame an alien entity for all the problems instead of his dear earthlings. I would think BZ ould be enough but obviously Kaguya was added for the sake of movie verse and extension possibilities. Still. since I kind of always rooted for the evil tree being the villain ever since the tree was introduced so I didn't care for half the complaints others made.

LOK was a mess to begin with considering season 1 was suppose to be the true finale, so in a way it's understandable for it's case.

I have only watched the first movie. I just couldn't finish the comic. 'Got tired after few chapters and never went back to it. It didn't have anything new for me.

lmao yes, i remember watching one of forneverworld's videos saying he was married to sailor moon mangaka?and probably just being lazy simply because of that financial security. but again, that doesn't prove it was main reason he hiatus the manga. but then again maybe it was, cause G.R.R martin is doing exactly that with game of thrones, but atleast with him he has a giant ass book to type out.

It's things like not hiring an assistant despite having health issues and not being able to draw much himself. He prefers to do it all by himself anyway because he can afford to. If he was a new mangaka needing the money he couldn't afford to take such long breaks and would end up taking help if needed that much. He likes spending time with his children and family and playing games and work when he likes. This is a possible because he can afford it. So that you tuber was not that wrong. It may not be only factor but it's an important factor. Money talks.

 

[Tyris]

Naruto isnt gory at all...

Its a kids to young teen manga. There's nothing deep about it that's beyond the scope of what would make you think it's not for children.

They even stopped showing blood for summons... barely anyone got more than a cut during fights b4 final blow...

The games even use lack ink in leiu of blood...

Naruto weak af after p1 & early p2.