He was buried under a shit ton of rocks but it didn't confirm his death and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought we didn't know how long Kakashi was gone from when he blacked out to waking up. For all we know, while Obito was barely breathing, he could have been rescued cause we don't know how fast time gone by.
His death was pretty much confirmed by being crushed by a shit ton of rocks, and then being crushed again by the surrounding dozen or so rock ninja.
- Kakashi and Obito save rin.
- Rin, Kakashi, and Obito try to escape as one of the rock ninja implode the cave down around them.
- Kakashi gets hit by a rock and falls down, Obito grabs him and throws him clear of the falling rocks, getting crushed himself.
- Kakashi wakes up, and finds that Obito is crushed by rocks.
- Obito gives him his left eye, and Rin implants it.
- Kakashi finishes off the rock shinobi.
- A bunch more rock shinobi show up, Kakashi and Rin narrowly escape the rubble before Obito gets crushed again.
- Kakashi blacks out just before Minato shows up and kills all the rock ninja.
There is no way that Minato would not try to rescue Obito if he thought he was alive, and he would have undoubtedly dug through the rocks to get his corpse. So the time frame we are talking about here between the time Obito was crushed a second time and then Minato showing up is literally a matter of minutes, if that. Whomever rescued/resurrected Obito would have had to act within those few minutes before Minato got there and that would take insane planning and foresight.
Otherwise, Minato senses that Obito is dead under the pile of rocks and transports his corpse back to Konoha for a burial. Or Minato leaves his corpse there and they bury an empty casket.
The fact that Obito awakened his Sharingan is already a valuable feat to have. That is basically a potential future Mangekyou or Rinnegan user so why wouldn't someone like Madara take him in?
Because he has absolutely zero reason to. The Uchiha betrayed him, remember? He was the only Uchiha (besides his brother) who was willing to do whatever it took to keep his power in the ninja world, and no other Uchiha would stand by him. He has no reason to take in a dying Uchiha boy, and would be in a better position if he just killed him and took his sharingan or used his dead body for experiments.
Why is losing the person you deeply loved the most not enough to suddenly seek justice/vengeance against the world? I mean look at Batman. His parents dies and so he trains up to become Batman and fight baddies. Yeah? Also I agree that the "you let rin die" was pretty sudden though and that we should stay patient for Kishi to explain that part because he can't just explain everything in one chapter.
Because you have to lose the person close to you before you can become angry enough about it to seek vengeance. Obito's death was BEFORE Rin died, so therefore his rescue or resurrection had to also happen BEFORE Rin died. So whoever helped Obito would have had to see the future to know that Rin was going to die and that Obito would be pissed enough about it to Rage at the world.
Do you understand my point yet? How does Madara know to save Obito so that he can become evil and enslave the world, when the cause of his evilness has not yet happened? We're talking about a matter of minutes in a timeline where Rin is not dead.... therefore 'because you let Rin die' is not a valid reason for Obito to have survived his supposed death and come back as an evil super villain.
In my opinion, it was unique plot twist that got the audience to feel engaged in the manga and it sparked heated discussions. I also think it's unfair to judge it now because Kishi hasn't even begun to explain the Rin thing. So again, patience.
It was a unique plot twist to have someone you thought was dead come back as the main villain. However, none of the events that transpired afterward make any sense given the context of that characters death. The 'Rin thing' is what makes the least sense of all. Kishi doesn't need to explain it because it doesn't fit at all. It's literally the same as Obito coming back as the main villain and telling Kakashi it's because 'he let Jiraya die.' Or because he 'let Minato die.' Or any other major character who died AFTER Obito. It's just not logically possible for Obito's survival and subsequent turn into an evil bastard to be explained by Rin's death.
I do feel the masked person is most likely Obito. I should've said "Probably." instead of "Maybe." but I wouldn't disregard a possibly of Madara wearing the mask. I mean people are creative and will do things outside the box that you would not have suspected such as Orochimaru coming back or Orochimaru using Kabuto as a double-spy.
Except there is no logical reason for Madara to wear a mask (when he never did before) and then run around claiming to be Madara. Do you put on a mask and then run around telling people who you really are? That just seems like a retarded thing to do imo. It would make more sense to wear a mask to specifically HIDE who you really are.
Again, it's unfair to judge it like that now while Kishi hasn't gotten down to explaining more things such as Rin dying. Also it could be argued that as a character, Obito has a higher value than Madara because he was infact seen in an entire story arc that provoked the audience to feel attached to Obito while Madara was just in little snippets of flashbacks and statues.
Except that Madara has been a major character in the story arc and one of the most powerful ninja ever. During his 5 chapter mini arc, Obito was a bumbling fool and only barely managed to awaken his sharingan and save Kakashi. Let's say for sake of my point, that instead of being called Naruto, the story was called Sasuke, and Naruto died in the first 3 chapters. What would you think about Naruto at that point?
Pretty shitty no-name character. The only reason why you think anything of Naruto now is because the main story is centered on him, and he's had 600 chapters to grow up and become a powerful force for good.
