[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 600 Discussion and 601 Predictions

[DannySenju]

Mostly he got brainwashed anyone remembers when Obito was talking about Rin and Kakashi said something like Are you Obito? Notice he says "I" instead of saying me this is not the real Obito

 

[rohanghige]

New look for NB ... This is coool

 

[Lspangful]

I'm getting disappointed with the Naruto manga cos Obito is still alive!
Anything, I mean ANYTHING can happen in the manga!!!
Take for example Jiraiya could still be alive and has also become a villian he could have somehow survived under water or saved by a great fish.
Konoha White Fang could also still be alive.
Is Kishi running out of ideas? maybe he didn't plan Tobi's identity before introducing in on the scene.

You're right ANYTHING can happen in the manga. You know why? Because it's Kishimoto's manga, he can do whatever he wants. The story can't be all rainbows and butterflies, because that is not an interesting story. So yeah some people are going to die, whether you like it or not. And I'm pretty sure Kishimoto has thought this story through... its not like he is pulling it out of his ass with complete random shit. And you would really rather have Jiraiya saved by a big fish instead of dying a heroic death? Really???

 

[hugocruzz]

Oh my - reconciliation in deed!

They would be best friends, perhaps soul mates, for a split second before Obito get's sucked in too and would have to face Madara on the other side of the Migration Jutsu. Their fates intertwined - tragic anti-hero rises past his desires for peace at any cost because of the one he shares his eyes with.[/SIZE][/FONT]

Totally agree, good thinking, it's nice to comment with someone who sees the history going the same way, interesting things to come. Plus respect!

 

[hugocruzz]

So it was Madara who attacked the Village 15 years ago?

I think so, what do you think about my theory?

I have an idea about this part of the story, tell me your opinion please.

If you remember when asked Tobi more than once his name, he answered the name is not important, the name "Tobi" is an idea and not a person.

I think we have to believe that Tobi wasn't always Obito. If you remember, when Uchiha Itachi asked for Tobi's help, he had log hair and mask, for the hair, i would say he was really Madara, and the one who tried to summon the kyuby was Madara and not Obito, and kyuby reallizes the Madara's chakra and not Obito's.

Kyuby never showed fear in front of Tobi/Obito, only in front of Madara, wich makes me believe that the one who was behind the attack to konoha with the kyuby was Madara behind the mask and not Obito. Later on, he maybe teached Obito and passed his legacy to him.

This explains everything, because the kyuby, doesn't recognized him, neither the 4th Hokage.

The one thing I can't explain is how Madara had the same power that Obito has to switch dimensions while fighting the 4th Hokage.

 

[QuickSilver2388]

I think so, what do you think about my theory?

I don't think that is possible because tobi still had his time space ability that is like saying Madara has all eye techniques

 

[kvonx]

Ok...I guess.

this chapter bothered me alittle...what happened to the kages and how come Madara (F'in god) know obito? did he train him? A pretty short chapter because most of it was kakashi gaiden flashback.

 

[TheFlashHokage]

It was OK I would say. Why did Obito have to turn to the dark side because Rin died? My guess is that its going to be Kakashi and Guy vs Obito while the other match would be Naruto vs Madara.

 

[TheFlashHokage]

 

[TheFlashHokage]

I think hugocruzz is very close to the truth. Actually I hope it is the truth. It would make a lot of sense then.

 

[pilyop]

Gave it a 1. Tobi the schizophrenic villain aye? Next chapter's prediction: more flashbacks.

Liked the comments about how Madara hulk-jumped into the scene and Kishi and assistants taking a dump this week.

 

[ericdayo26]

So now we all know what the Kakashi Gaiden was for...it is now so obvious.

but kishi still has a lot of explaining to do.. like the timeline perhaps..

Darn..and i didnt want it to be Obito. I would have loved it if it was Izuna..

 

[Fiercesoul]

Madara prolonged his live with the first Hokage cells. This explains how he was alive to control later on the Mizukage.
For conquering the future, he saved and trained Obito. Probably because his body was at the limit and even Hashirama cells could not keep him alive anymore.

It was Obito in the desguise of Tobi that raided the Leaf, and it was probably a test by Madara to see if truly was mentally broken to his side...hence the fight with Minato. If the student faces his Master then he truly has gone dark.

Later on, Madara joined Itachi in the assault on the Uchiha or it was Obito with longer hair to help fool anyone. But my vote goes to Madara. Anyway, before his body reached his limit, he awakened the rinnegan somehow and gave it to Nagato because, since he was an Uzumaki, he would have the stamina and chakra to bring him back. It's more or less like this.

The big mystery is...what the hell is really Zetsu? How did Madara awake the rinnegan? Why did he chose Obito? (I think he is Madara's direct descendant)

Prediction...the only way to beat Madara is to make him alive again so he can die or throw him in the other dimension, but for that it probably has to be Obito doing it and i don't know if Naruto/Kakashi can pull that mental transformation on him.

 

[Kazamori]

Uh, what ?! I don't know, I'll just blame Madara for all of this.

 

[Vegeta]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that Zetsu is.....Obito! Being manipulated by that Ramen guy of course.


Wth did they have to go all Star Warsey on us with the "I turned bad cause a girl I loved died and now I wanna conquer the universe" crap? I hope they have a space ship to visit Namek and wish everyone back to life after the war

 

[Fiercesoul]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that Zetsu is.....Obito! Being manipulated by that Ramen guy of course.


Wth did they have to go all Star Warsey on us with the "I turned bad cause a girl I loved died and now I wanna conquer the universe" crap? I hope they have a space ship to visit Namek and wish everyone back to life after the war

Obito being a Zetsu clone is a possibility but i highly doubt it, he wouldn't be strong enough for this kind of shit that Obito has been doing. Obito is just Obito but super-trained by Madara and has become an avenger just like Sasuke did.

His motives are pure...love is love. You can pick on him all day but even if the girl he loved never looked at him, his feelings are real. He's not doing this to have an happy ending cause his is already gone...he just wants to stop all of the pain so that no one has to experience what he did. Kinda like Nagato.

Madara saved him, it's not something pulled out of nowhere. If it was, nobody would ever especulated in this past years that Tobi could be Obito.

Just have some patience. And even if the story doesn't go as you want, the meaning it gave you until here is still in you, it won't disappear.

 

[RedCloudNinja117]

How much you wanna bet that obito has a susanno as well

 

[xSHINOBIxSKILLz]

The chapter was pretty good. I wish they didn't fill up the pages with Kakashi Gaiden though. If you knew about Obito, you would most likely naturally remember it.

 

[thewondererer]

Obito being a Zetsu clone is a possibility but i highly doubt it, he wouldn't be strong enough for this kind of shit that Obito has been doing. Obito is just Obito but super-trained by Madara and has become an avenger just like Sasuke did.

His motives are pure...love is love. You can pick on him all day but even if the girl he loved never looked at him, his feelings are real. He's not doing this to have an happy ending cause his is already gone...he just wants to stop all of the pain so that no one has to experience what he did. Kinda like Nagato.

Agreed. Tobi He basically has collectivist ideals. He wants to relinquish all that is individuality in the world because that is truly the source of pain and he realized this when he lost the love of his life in an unfortunate manner. So ultimately, I would expect that resurrecting Rin would not change his ideals at all because he already knows the world will continue to cause great amounts of pain.

I understand his philosophy in life but I feel he belittles the great equalizer for pain which is happiness. Individuality causes pain but it also causes happiness. His Infinite Tsukuyomi would contain neither and world would become an emotionless place. The people in the Ninja World may as well be robots if that time comes. If Tobi is the only one unaffected by the Tsukuyomi, he would eventually succumb to unhappiness due to his loneliness. If he is also affected by the Tsukuyomi then everyone is better off left dead cause what is there to live for if you can't find the joy in life. I believe happiness, although seemingly an equalizer to pain, is overall better than pain because you can live in a very depressing world but if you have that one support that brightens up your day then that is what will ultimately stick in your head. That's my take on it.

Madara saved him, it's not something pulled out of nowhere. If it was, nobody would ever especulated in this past years that Tobi could be Obito.

Just have some patience. And even if the story doesn't go as you want, the meaning it gave you until here is still in you, it won't disappear.

The bolded word is key.

 

[squigles]

I have an idea about this part of the story, tell me your opinion please.

If you remember when asked Tobi more than once his name, he answered the name is not important, the name "Tobi" is an idea and not a person.

I think we have to believe that Tobi wasn't always Obito. If you remember, when Uchiha Itachi asked for Tobi's help, he had log hair and mask, for the hair, i would say he was really Madara, and the one who tried to summon the kyuby was Madara and not Obito, and kyuby reallizes the Madara's chakra and not Obito's.

Kyuby never showed fear in front of Tobi/Obito, only in front of Madara, wich makes me believe that the one who was behind the attack to konoha with the kyuby was Madara behind the mask and not Obito. Later on, he maybe teached Obito and passed his legacy to him.

This explains everything, because the kyuby, doesn't recognized him, neither the 4th Hokage.

The one thing I can't explain is how Madara had the same power that Obito has to switch dimensions while fighting the 4th Hokage.

1. In order for Tobi to really be Obito, one of two things had to happen:
- Obito would have had to survive what had happened during the 3rd ninja war, which means someone would have had to come along and rescue him. Obito was clearly dead, because if he weren't Minato would have rescued him.
- Obito would have dad to be resurrected at some point after the 3rd ninja war, which means someone would have had to come along and resurrect him. Obito was a worthless child who had zero skills and was afraid of everything. There wasn't any reason for anyone to come and resurrect him.

2. There is no guarantee that a rescued or resurrected Obito would cooperate or agree with the ideals of people like Madara.

3. We don't know when Rin died, and we don't know that she was dead during the Kyuubi attack on Konoha the day Naruto was born.

4. The person who attacked Konoha that day was clearly an S level jounin capable of utilizing high level ninja techs in such a way that Minato himself assumed that he was Madara.

5. The person who is fighting now against Kakashi, Guy, and Naruto is the same exact person who fought Minato and unleashed the 9 tails on Konoha.

6. It makes a lot more sense for someone to come along and take Obito's body and then use it to resurrect someone important, such as Izuna, someone who is already allied to Madara, than it does to grab some no-name side character from a filler chapter and trust them with your legacy.