PositiveEmotions
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hahahaa well that would be awkward because i am sure madara does not know naruto but than again we do know wut goes inside madaras brain lol if he has one that is lol
[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions
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PositiveEmotions
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mmmm maybe we just have to wait and see but remember tobi is not madara but who knows u could be right we just have to wait
i think that Tobi=madara and madara =tobi....i am not going to explain right now my points cause many fans like me already told them
what i want to point out is that tobi has the right eye....the resurected madara only the left eye...so...madara splited his pair of eyes,,,one gave for the clone(that i think tobu is), the most suitable one eye kept for himself,,,,we'll have to see if i'm right
what i want to point out is that tobi has the right eye....the resurected madara only the left eye...so...madara splited his pair of eyes,,,one gave for the clone(that i think tobu is), the most suitable one eye kept for himself,,,,we'll have to see if i'm right
ImmaculateShadow
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Probably! But not until the fight goes on for a while ...
I like that though - Madara finding the will of fire in Naruto. Perhaps that's what would inspire Madara to help them through telling them how to win.
Madara: I see his will in you ...
*Naruto presses his eye-brows together*
*Madara has flashback to the conversation leading up to the fight between Hashirama and himself*
There is zero chance of obito being tobi.
I already outlined all the problems with that theory.
I never said I know who it is 100%, but I CAN say without a doubt that it's NOT obito.
Now if a couple of noobs who have been here a month want to disagree with me that's fine, but keep in mind that when the truth is revealed, I WILL call all the tobito fans out.
Ask around, I'm right way more than when I'm wrong, and unlike you guys I have more evidene than "OMG obito is spelled almost the same as tobi!"
Obito: no motive, no skills, too young, and dead. Did I miss anything?
I already outlined all the problems with that theory.
I never said I know who it is 100%, but I CAN say without a doubt that it's NOT obito.
Now if a couple of noobs who have been here a month want to disagree with me that's fine, but keep in mind that when the truth is revealed, I WILL call all the tobito fans out.
Ask around, I'm right way more than when I'm wrong, and unlike you guys I have more evidene than "OMG obito is spelled almost the same as tobi!"
Obito: no motive, no skills, too young, and dead. Did I miss anything?
Uchiha Paulsama
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not a Obito fanboy but for debating purpose.
had Obito lived, these would be the reasons for him to be Tobi. the name thing is stupid so i wont use it.
Motive- prejudice the village was starting to show to his clan... destruction of it.
Skills- at 13 he was a chunin. too compare neji didnt become one til 15. so given the time between when obito "died" and now, 16-17 years, skills usually improve over time. now it will make it hard to explain the increase in skill from his death to going toe to toe with minato, which is why i dont think its obito as in who obito was as a shinobi, but someone else in his body ehh
too young- you never see his full face so you cant tell how old someone is without seeing them.
Dead- never proven, you see his face crushed and rock fall on him(example when all those miners in chile got caved in, we assumed they died, but they didnt, real life story)
The only real thing that doesnt help the Obito being Tobi is the fight against minato where its not real propable of obito obtaining those skills in 2-3 years, altho look what happened to naruto after 2-3 years of training. how knows lol
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ImmaculateShadow
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Reading your theories makes me think again that Nagato is a title that both Madara and Tobi know as the one who holds the Rinnegan.
In this it's possible that Tobi was at one point a Nagato or that he's been made two people in NarutoHistory in to the Nagato - one of them during Madara's time?
Uchiha Paulsama
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wow thats a good explanation. but why would he attack konoha using the ninetails:shrug: was rin dead back then?
serpiente clan
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Thoughts on the Coffin
People have been misinterpreting Tobi's reaction to the sixth coffin for a long time now. Tobi was never afraid of it. It was never about the sixth coffin being able to overpower Tobi. Instead, Tobi was both repulsed and surprised that Kabuto was capable of summoning the sixth coffin and the power it held over Tobi was not strength, but information.
Theory 1 (Revise)
Tobi isn't Madara, but someone who idolized Madara. Think about it who can hate the Senju clan and Konoha more than Madara and would kill all the Uchiha, someone who was close to Madara and idolized him, or maybe a son or someone close, who was thinking Uchiha was traitors and hated Senju and Leaf for death of Madara. Sasuke now idolizes Itachi who he hated so maybe it is the same situation. Tobi knows everything about Madara, so maybe he saw when the real Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan, and he used his chance. And as Tobi has Sharingan he is an Uchiha, Zetsu never called Tobi Madara, and he is the closest to him. So as of right now Tobi is impersonated Madara after his death, maybe he is Madara's son or related, because related and family people hate all people who are connected to their beloved and idols, and that is common for Uchiha that kind of hate. For all we know maybe Tobi isn't Uchiha because if he could have easily transplanted the Rinnegan into his eye, so it is possible that he also transplanted Sharingan.
So my theory breaks down into like this
Who is the man behind the mask?
Madara’s son (if he has one)
Madara’s brother = Izuna Uchiha
Someone close to Madara = Kagami for example.
Or way out there but possibly the Sage’s younger son; due to having an extremely long life, and it isn’t that either son had much of a reputation.
(I’m thinking outside the box here)
Or by some way the man behind the mask is actually somehow convoluted or intertwined with the real Madara, maybe the white Zetsu contains some sort of mystic powers that hold some of Madara’s sinister charka. (A Madara clone of some sort perhaps, that was able to split his soul)
Theory 2
Tobi may be part of the real Madara that somehow managed to split his soul. The Tobi that we are seeing now may just be a Hashirama's Living Clone with a consciousness. He may have split off from the `dead’ Madara to say alive longer. I have a lot of thoughts on how this split `occurred’. My most recently being that Madara may have fought Muu at some point, and copied his splitting technique to split himself at some point. - then one half got killed while the other continued to live and age with half of his original power. Another thought on the “split theory” is that Edo Madara just mentioned Nagato and thought Nagato revived him before he realized what is going on. Tobi mentioned wanting Nagato to do just that. It is plausible that Tobi wanted Nagato use Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique jutsu on himself to combine both of the “Madara’s” “making him complete. Are they, perhaps, still connected in a way? After all, Tobi mentioned before that he wanted Nagato to use the Rinne Tensei for him, and now Madara was actually expecting that Nagato had revived him. Or maybe Tobi is ticked off because Kabuto has control over potentially the strongest ninja out there in the war under his control. Perhaps that is why he called Kabuto a mad man because that wasn't the form of revival he had in plan for Madara's soul. Are they split somehow? Is Tobi not as human as we thought? Although "Edo Madara" and the "Tobi" are completely different people and of completely different chakra. Now if you guys had noticed, Ao mentioned that a NEW presence has arrived alongside Mu. Ao should recognize the “Tobi” chakra signature so he sensed that this new presence has a different chakra signature. In any case it seems that “Tobi” and “Edo Madara” know each other based their knowledge of Nagato. How do I know? Because of Madara's words, "So it FINALLY happened. Looks like that little brat Nagato was able to grow." This means that Tobi and Madara MADE this plan together.
OR
If Madara had died during the epic battle, he wouldn't know Nagato. It is possible that Tobi killed Madara, stole his identity, and continued operating to revive the Juubi. Madara thought he was revived by Nagato's Rinnegan Tensei and so he was surprised to find out it is Edo Tensei. I don't think Kishi would just have us believe that Tobi managed to fool Itachi, Jiraiya, Minato, Nagato, and Konan into thinking he was alive. Not to mention, I doubt he'd have said all of that stuff to Konan, whom he was about to kill, if he wasn't him.
So what are your thoughts on this?
People have been misinterpreting Tobi's reaction to the sixth coffin for a long time now. Tobi was never afraid of it. It was never about the sixth coffin being able to overpower Tobi. Instead, Tobi was both repulsed and surprised that Kabuto was capable of summoning the sixth coffin and the power it held over Tobi was not strength, but information.
Theory 1 (Revise)
Tobi isn't Madara, but someone who idolized Madara. Think about it who can hate the Senju clan and Konoha more than Madara and would kill all the Uchiha, someone who was close to Madara and idolized him, or maybe a son or someone close, who was thinking Uchiha was traitors and hated Senju and Leaf for death of Madara. Sasuke now idolizes Itachi who he hated so maybe it is the same situation. Tobi knows everything about Madara, so maybe he saw when the real Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan, and he used his chance. And as Tobi has Sharingan he is an Uchiha, Zetsu never called Tobi Madara, and he is the closest to him. So as of right now Tobi is impersonated Madara after his death, maybe he is Madara's son or related, because related and family people hate all people who are connected to their beloved and idols, and that is common for Uchiha that kind of hate. For all we know maybe Tobi isn't Uchiha because if he could have easily transplanted the Rinnegan into his eye, so it is possible that he also transplanted Sharingan.
So my theory breaks down into like this
Who is the man behind the mask?
Madara’s son (if he has one)
Madara’s brother = Izuna Uchiha
Someone close to Madara = Kagami for example.
Or way out there but possibly the Sage’s younger son; due to having an extremely long life, and it isn’t that either son had much of a reputation.
(I’m thinking outside the box here)
Or by some way the man behind the mask is actually somehow convoluted or intertwined with the real Madara, maybe the white Zetsu contains some sort of mystic powers that hold some of Madara’s sinister charka. (A Madara clone of some sort perhaps, that was able to split his soul)
Theory 2
Tobi may be part of the real Madara that somehow managed to split his soul. The Tobi that we are seeing now may just be a Hashirama's Living Clone with a consciousness. He may have split off from the `dead’ Madara to say alive longer. I have a lot of thoughts on how this split `occurred’. My most recently being that Madara may have fought Muu at some point, and copied his splitting technique to split himself at some point. - then one half got killed while the other continued to live and age with half of his original power. Another thought on the “split theory” is that Edo Madara just mentioned Nagato and thought Nagato revived him before he realized what is going on. Tobi mentioned wanting Nagato to do just that. It is plausible that Tobi wanted Nagato use Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique jutsu on himself to combine both of the “Madara’s” “making him complete. Are they, perhaps, still connected in a way? After all, Tobi mentioned before that he wanted Nagato to use the Rinne Tensei for him, and now Madara was actually expecting that Nagato had revived him. Or maybe Tobi is ticked off because Kabuto has control over potentially the strongest ninja out there in the war under his control. Perhaps that is why he called Kabuto a mad man because that wasn't the form of revival he had in plan for Madara's soul. Are they split somehow? Is Tobi not as human as we thought? Although "Edo Madara" and the "Tobi" are completely different people and of completely different chakra. Now if you guys had noticed, Ao mentioned that a NEW presence has arrived alongside Mu. Ao should recognize the “Tobi” chakra signature so he sensed that this new presence has a different chakra signature. In any case it seems that “Tobi” and “Edo Madara” know each other based their knowledge of Nagato. How do I know? Because of Madara's words, "So it FINALLY happened. Looks like that little brat Nagato was able to grow." This means that Tobi and Madara MADE this plan together.
OR
If Madara had died during the epic battle, he wouldn't know Nagato. It is possible that Tobi killed Madara, stole his identity, and continued operating to revive the Juubi. Madara thought he was revived by Nagato's Rinnegan Tensei and so he was surprised to find out it is Edo Tensei. I don't think Kishi would just have us believe that Tobi managed to fool Itachi, Jiraiya, Minato, Nagato, and Konan into thinking he was alive. Not to mention, I doubt he'd have said all of that stuff to Konan, whom he was about to kill, if he wasn't him.
So what are your thoughts on this?
serpiente clan
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I want to clarify something when madara said it appear that little brat nagato managed to grow,he refers more grew up as a ninja...(not the age)
You dont see her in the attack so I hate to do it but id have to assume that she was dead by then, as for the nine-tails thats a good question my best guess is he knew he didnt have the strength to do it himself, or.... he wanted it to look like a natural attack, meaning he didnt do it, so why not use a tailed beast, tobi did state that a sharigan can control the kyubi. but its still all spectulation
Uchiha Paulsama
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tobi did summon the ninetails
it was told my narutos mother. he even threatend narutos life.
so sad
i really hope obito doesnt turn out to be tobi..
Itachi Uchiha 123
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Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....
Nice but I still think its Obito but if its not Obito then ill go with your theory
Nice but I still think its Obito but if its not Obito then ill go with your theory
ImmaculateShadow
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That's a good point ... I didn't think about that. This means that he could be talking about Tobi if indeed 'Nagato' is a title ...
serpiente clan
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i think kishi is not so stupid to make bad obito and hide the identity with a mask that reveals the identity,I think kishi wants to play with the minds of fans..the moment of truth is a new character
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