[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 526 Discussion and 527 Predictions

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1. Konan is I think jailed at Konoha, Suigetsu and Jugo just escaped from their prison in the Land of Iron.
2. No clue, he's probably still healing.
3. Probably a new variation of the Rasengan :D
4. Kakashi will go on his rampage and when he does a fatal-like blow Sai will seal them.
5. Tsunade will probably join in towards the end
7. When you saw Dan jump and confronted Choza, Asuma was beside him I believe.
It's not Konan jailed in Konoha, Konan was killed by Madara. Your thinking of Karin.
 

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Has anyone else noticed the lack of naruto in the manga lately...last we heard he was training with bee...he has to come into play soon this war is partly to capture him...also we havent seen him in so long he must be pretty far along in training!!!!

also i cant wait for kakashi rampage!
 

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Overall, it's a fine chapter.
Kimimaro has made his first appearance since his death in part 1, i'm actually excited to see him in action again, karamatsu no mai ! ..As for darui, now i see why he is assigned to lead the 1st division, apart from his swordmenship ability, he also inherits the 3rd raikage's black lightning technique and not to mention his kekkai genkai : storm release. Regarding the kin-gin bros, not much information was given about them,..hopefully in the next chapter kishi will reveal more details about the kin-gin bros.... Judging from their reaction of recognizing the 2nd hokage's edo tensei, they must've lived around the second hokage's era..
Now where is itachi and nagato?? Here's my guess : they are heading to mifune's 5th division because they are the only division that hasn't fought yet, make sense right? and probably kabuto send them to intercept the 5th division from giving support to darui's division...
 

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Overall, it's a fine chapter.
Kimimaro has made his first appearance since his death in part 1, i'm actually excited to see him in action again, karamatsu no mai ! ..As for darui, now i see why he is assigned to lead the 1st division, apart from his swordmenship ability, he also inherits the 3rd raikage's black lightning technique and not to mention his kekkai genkai : storm release. Regarding the kin-gin bros, not much information was given about them,..hopefully in the next chapter kishi will reveal more details about the kin-gin bros.... Judging from their reaction of recognizing the 2nd hokage's edo tensei, they must've lived around the second hokage's era..
Now where is itachi and nagato?? Here's my guess : they are heading to mifune's 5th division because they are the only division that hasn't fought yet, make sense right? and probably kabuto send them to intercept the 5th division from giving support to darui's division...
Ya haven't seen the two guys with the most powerful eye techniques, so its obvious that Kabuto has a plan to use them.
 

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Reading a lot of information, especially information from issue 520 (I've read some of the spoilers), I'm starting to put together a theory about Madara. I'm marking this post as a SPOILER because I mention some things from the spoiler for 520. Don't read this if you are trying to be surprised by 520.

What do we know about Tobirama? He was extremely powerful. He was a master of water style and space/time jutsus. He also apparently conceived of the most evil jutsu in the entire series: Edo Tensei, the ability to trap a dead soul into a body by killing a sacrifice. When he become Hokage, Tobirama created the police force to segregate the Uchiha from the rest of the village. Tobirama sacrificed himself during the second great ninja war to save his squad. We never see him die, and none of the characters seem to have seen it either. He was apparently the most powerful ninja alive at the time of his death.

What do we know about Madara? He was an extemely powerful Uchiha who frequently fought Hashirama, because the two of them were the tops of their clans. He apparently died in battle against Hashirama, with many witnesses. But he claims otherwise: Instead of dieing he somehow gained Hashirama's power during the battle and eventually learned Izanagi, Gained the rinnegan to give to Nagato, grew some of Hashirama's cells for the big flower thing, and used it to create a gigantic army of Zetsu clones.

Much later, Orochimaru learns the secrets of Edo Tensei and "perfects" it before being merged with Kabuto. Keep in mind that only Kabuto called in "perfect", and Kabuto is evil. Tobirama would not have called Kabuto's version of Edo Tensei "perfect". In fact, I don't think the two are the same jutsu.

If Tobirama was a good guy, it seems weird that he would have created the most evil jutsu. I think it's pretty unlikely that Tobirama would have ever attempted it or practiced it, because people would get upset if the Hokage were killing sacrifices to test a new Jutsu. That's an evil kind of thing and not something the Hokage would be able to do. Tobirama loved his people, loved his village, sacrificed himself for others, and would not have used something evil like Edo Tensei. He probably wouldn't even have thought about it, at least not the way Orochimaru used it.

Orochimaru on the other hand is evil. He can do evil things like kill people for Edo Tensei. We frequently see him sacrifice the people around him for his personal gain. We frequently see him kill people for experiments, and he would have had no problem doing that for Edo Tensei. Kabuto claims he did many experiments with it.

Let's assume that Tobirama developed a technique that allowed him to communicate with the souls of dead people, and maybe gain their power and learn techniques from those souls, temporarily. This technique would have been very helpful, but it would have been limited because Tobirama didn't want to hurt anybody while doing it. Even in this limited state, Tobirama would have appeared to be the most powerful ninja in the world because he could use the combined powers of other ninja who had already died. Orochimaru would have seen the limitations as "imperfections" and would have been eager to "perfect" the technique. He wouldn't have worried about killing people in his experiments until he found a version that he could use.

Tobirama develops a technique that helps give him power and knowledge. It allows him to use the souls of dead friends to help him protect the village. This is perfectly reasonable, and something a Hokage might do. It is a little dark, but isn't evil and doesn't require sacrifice. Plus, it helps people communicate with their dead loved ones, and bring peace to souls killed in battle. Orochimaru turned it evil, but removed some of the limitations from it.

This assumption is perfectly in line with everything we know about these two characters: Tobirama loves people and forms strong bonds with them which last after death. Orochimaru does not value people, and is willing to sacrifice their lives for his experiments and use their souls as tools to help increase his power.

Now, enter Madara/Toby. This character does not appear to have any EMS techniques like the real Madara was supposed to have. He also was supposed to have died in the Valley of the End, but is still alive. Itachi says he is just a shell of his former self. He now has Izanagi, which appears to require both Uchiha and Senju essence in order to perform it.

What if Madara is an Edo Tensei soul trapped in the living body of Tobirama? What if Madara is a "shell of his former self" because he was created using the "imperfect" form of Edo Tensei that Tobirama created?

Tobirama is in the second ninja war and his team is surrounded. He sends the rest of his team off and prepares to engage 20 ninja by himself. He's fighting and dieing, so he uses one last Jutsu: Edo Tensei. He summons the soul of a powerful warrior into himself so he can give his friends a few more minutes to escape. That powerful warrior is Madara. Madara's soul gives Tobirama more chakra and he can continue the fight, eventually defeating all his enemies.

Tobirama would have used space/time jutsus in the battle, so Madara's soul would have witnessed those and learned them. Tobirama would probably not have used Edo Tensei again, so Madara's soul would not have seen it and would not know it.

Kabuto's Edo Tensei keeps all the abilities of the soul he summons: Itachi still has his MS, Nagato still has his rinnegan, etc. The souls that Kabuto summons are also invincible. Either of these things could change as the limitations in Tobirama's version. Maybe the summoned madara had sharingan but not EMS. Maybe he could live for a long time but was not completely invulnerable

Tobirama uses almost all his chakra and cannot control the soul of Madara Uchiha any more. He dies, and Madara's soul takes over his body. Now we have "Madara" with the body of the Senju and the spirit of the Uchiha, with Sharingan (but not MS), with powerful space/time jutsu like Tobirama had, but limited in power because of the "incomplete" Edo Tensei that Tobirama used. He's probably not indestructable like Kabuto's version, but he has been alive for a very long time without dieing. He is now a shell of his former self who needs to use the power of the Sage of Six paths to make himself whole again. In other words, he needs to create a real body for himself, and move his soul back into a real Uchiha body where he will gain all of his old powers again.

Madara's "real" body could not be in the coffin, because Madara's soul is in Tobirama and cannot be summoned from there. Tobirama could not be in the coffin either, because he cannot be summoned again, because he was sealed by Hiruzen. This theory does not explain who was in that damn coffin.
Quite interesting theory.... But lets just say for the sake of the argument that u are right, then how did konoha perform the burial of 2nd hokage, more importantly, how did they know that was he dead or not?? And how did orochmru find DNA of tobirama to summon him??? And tobirama also had white hair, but tobi has black hair.... Further more, we saw that when madara revealed himself to itachi, he had his characteristic long hair, same goes for the time when he persuaded kisame in hidden mist.... And 2nd hokage could have used enemies for edo tensei, if we want to maintain that he was over all a good guy.... But for me, he has long lost my respect for disturbing nature and disrespecting the dead... Ah who cares what i think of 2nd hokage,
My point is, the air of mystery and confusion surrounding tobi created by kishi is very subliminal..... We can only guess by the clues in manga, but kishi has a reputation of surprising us.... So better hold ur nose and plunge into the agonising pangs of suspense and waiting....
 

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Ya haven't seen the two guys with the most powerful eye techniques, so its obvious that Kabuto has a plan to use them.
they went to get sasuke;)........well maybe....... but if he's smart he would have them watching his back.......but i guess if he was going to do that, he would have neji pops there covering him with byakugan
 

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Reading a lot of information, especially information from issue 520 (I've read some of the spoilers), I'm starting to put together a theory about Madara. I'm marking this post as a SPOILER because I mention some things from the spoiler for 520. Don't read this if you are trying to be surprised by 520.

What do we know about Tobirama? He was extremely powerful. He was a master of water style and space/time jutsus. He also apparently conceived of the most evil jutsu in the entire series: Edo Tensei, the ability to trap a dead soul into a body by killing a sacrifice. When he become Hokage, Tobirama created the police force to segregate the Uchiha from the rest of the village. Tobirama sacrificed himself during the second great ninja war to save his squad. We never see him die, and none of the characters seem to have seen it either. He was apparently the most powerful ninja alive at the time of his death.

What do we know about Madara? He was an extemely powerful Uchiha who frequently fought Hashirama, because the two of them were the tops of their clans. He apparently died in battle against Hashirama, with many witnesses. But he claims otherwise: Instead of dieing he somehow gained Hashirama's power during the battle and eventually learned Izanagi, Gained the rinnegan to give to Nagato, grew some of Hashirama's cells for the big flower thing, and used it to create a gigantic army of Zetsu clones.

Much later, Orochimaru learns the secrets of Edo Tensei and "perfects" it before being merged with Kabuto. Keep in mind that only Kabuto called in "perfect", and Kabuto is evil. Tobirama would not have called Kabuto's version of Edo Tensei "perfect". In fact, I don't think the two are the same jutsu.

If Tobirama was a good guy, it seems weird that he would have created the most evil jutsu. I think it's pretty unlikely that Tobirama would have ever attempted it or practiced it, because people would get upset if the Hokage were killing sacrifices to test a new Jutsu. That's an evil kind of thing and not something the Hokage would be able to do. Tobirama loved his people, loved his village, sacrificed himself for others, and would not have used something evil like Edo Tensei. He probably wouldn't even have thought about it, at least not the way Orochimaru used it.

Orochimaru on the other hand is evil. He can do evil things like kill people for Edo Tensei. We frequently see him sacrifice the people around him for his personal gain. We frequently see him kill people for experiments, and he would have had no problem doing that for Edo Tensei. Kabuto claims he did many experiments with it.

Let's assume that Tobirama developed a technique that allowed him to communicate with the souls of dead people, and maybe gain their power and learn techniques from those souls, temporarily. This technique would have been very helpful, but it would have been limited because Tobirama didn't want to hurt anybody while doing it. Even in this limited state, Tobirama would have appeared to be the most powerful ninja in the world because he could use the combined powers of other ninja who had already died. Orochimaru would have seen the limitations as "imperfections" and would have been eager to "perfect" the technique. He wouldn't have worried about killing people in his experiments until he found a version that he could use.

Tobirama develops a technique that helps give him power and knowledge. It allows him to use the souls of dead friends to help him protect the village. This is perfectly reasonable, and something a Hokage might do. It is a little dark, but isn't evil and doesn't require sacrifice. Plus, it helps people communicate with their dead loved ones, and bring peace to souls killed in battle. Orochimaru turned it evil, but removed some of the limitations from it.

This assumption is perfectly in line with everything we know about these two characters: Tobirama loves people and forms strong bonds with them which last after death. Orochimaru does not value people, and is willing to sacrifice their lives for his experiments and use their souls as tools to help increase his power.

Now, enter Madara/Toby. This character does not appear to have any EMS techniques like the real Madara was supposed to have. He also was supposed to have died in the Valley of the End, but is still alive. Itachi says he is just a shell of his former self. He now has Izanagi, which appears to require both Uchiha and Senju essence in order to perform it.

What if Madara is an Edo Tensei soul trapped in the living body of Tobirama? What if Madara is a "shell of his former self" because he was created using the "imperfect" form of Edo Tensei that Tobirama created?

Tobirama is in the second ninja war and his team is surrounded. He sends the rest of his team off and prepares to engage 20 ninja by himself. He's fighting and dieing, so he uses one last Jutsu: Edo Tensei. He summons the soul of a powerful warrior into himself so he can give his friends a few more minutes to escape. That powerful warrior is Madara. Madara's soul gives Tobirama more chakra and he can continue the fight, eventually defeating all his enemies.

Tobirama would have used space/time jutsus in the battle, so Madara's soul would have witnessed those and learned them. Tobirama would probably not have used Edo Tensei again, so Madara's soul would not have seen it and would not know it.

Kabuto's Edo Tensei keeps all the abilities of the soul he summons: Itachi still has his MS, Nagato still has his rinnegan, etc. The souls that Kabuto summons are also invincible. Either of these things could change as the limitations in Tobirama's version. Maybe the summoned madara had sharingan but not EMS. Maybe he could live for a long time but was not completely invulnerable

Tobirama uses almost all his chakra and cannot control the soul of Madara Uchiha any more. He dies, and Madara's soul takes over his body. Now we have "Madara" with the body of the Senju and the spirit of the Uchiha, with Sharingan (but not MS), with powerful space/time jutsu like Tobirama had, but limited in power because of the "incomplete" Edo Tensei that Tobirama used. He's probably not indestructable like Kabuto's version, but he has been alive for a very long time without dieing. He is now a shell of his former self who needs to use the power of the Sage of Six paths to make himself whole again. In other words, he needs to create a real body for himself, and move his soul back into a real Uchiha body where he will gain all of his old powers again.

Madara's "real" body could not be in the coffin, because Madara's soul is in Tobirama and cannot be summoned from there. Tobirama could not be in the coffin either, because he cannot be summoned again, because he was sealed by Hiruzen. This theory does not explain who was in that damn coffin.
I extremely enjoyed reading this theory and it does sounds pretty decent to be honest but the one thing I think would sound a little better is if, instead of summoning him and eventually losing control and Madara takes over his body. Is if he summoned Madara but when he died Madara didn't disappear because has Kabuto said the Edo tensei summonings don't disappear when the one who summoned them dies. Maybe that explains why Madara has been alive for so long, he is immortal unless sealed away like the other edo tensei summonings
 

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Tobirama uses almost all his chakra and cannot control the soul of Madara Uchiha any more. He dies, and Madara's soul takes over his body. Now we have "Madara" with the body of the Senju and the spirit of the Uchiha, with Sharingan (but not MS), with powerful space/time jutsu like Tobirama had, but limited in power because of the "incomplete" Edo Tensei that Tobirama used. He's probably not indestructable like Kabuto's version, but he has been alive for a very long time without dieing. He is now a shell of his former self who needs to use the power of the Sage of Six paths to make himself whole again. In other words, he needs to create a real body for himself, and move his soul back into a real Uchiha body where he will gain all of his old powers again.

Madara's "real" body could not be in the coffin, because Madara's soul is in Tobirama and cannot be summoned from there. Tobirama could not be in the coffin either, because he cannot be summoned again, because he was sealed by Hiruzen. This theory does not explain who was in that damn coffin.
well why didn't he just use Itachi's body...???
 

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Status: PREDICTION
by: Forlong

Naruto 527

Ginkaku: Look at this cocky bastard.
Kinkaku: Reminds me of that guy that killed us.
Darui: Storm Release: Thunder Cloud.
Ginkaku and Kinkaku jump over the cloud.
Ginkaku: Come on, kid. You don't think we knew about that jutsu. You can do better than that.
Darui: Well hows this. Storm Release: Cloud Clone Jutsu!
Dozens of Kage Bunshins come at the brothers.
Gin & Kin: What the...!?
Hiashi: So many Kage Bunshins. I thought Naruto-kun was the only one who could make that many.
Cloud Shinobi: If he was using his own chakra he wouldn't be able to make so many. In fact, he has below average chakra. He was the first to truly master Storm Release. He uses almost no chakra in his jutsu, because he can harness the powers of nature itself!
Darui: Water Release: Water Wall Jutsu!
Water engulfs Gin & Kin.
Darui: LIGHTNING FIST!
Black lightning courses through the wall of water.
Cut to Muu.
Muu: !? O...Onoki!?
Kabuto: Fu fu fu. It seems that the Third Tsuchikage-sama has come to the front line. Well, I have a little surprise for him. Thank you, Sakura-san, for leaving this where I could easily find it.
Second Muzikage: Who the Hell is Onoki?
Fourth Kazekage: Idiot, did you know nothing about your own rival? Onoki-sama is the Third Tsuchikage and was Muu-sama's student.
Third Raikage: Yes. He was the only other person to master Dust Release.
Second Muzikage: Wow! I don't know who did this but I like him already. What would be a worse fate for Muu than to have to kill his own student.
Muu: I wouldn't expect you to understand the bonds others share, murder of First Mizukage-sama.
Second Muzikage: WHAT? No one was able to connect me with that.
Three coffins rise out of the ground.
Fourth Kazekage: More dead fools that what nothing more than to bicker?
Gaara: !?
Onoki: What is it, young man. Spit it out.
Gaara: They just summoned three more people and they all have insanely high levels of chakra.
Onoki: That's Muu-sama for you. He must have sensed our numbers and caught me here. Who are they.
Gaara: I'm checking right now. One is an old man with red hair. He's wearing some sort of faceplate.
Onoki: That sounds like Roshi-sama. He was the Jinchuriki for the Four Tails.
Gaara: And the other two are...
Fourth Kazekage: Master?
Gaara: The Third Kazekage and the previous Jinchuriki of the One Tail.
Onoki: Well...those are long range fighters...this is going to be tough.
Gaara: Everyone prepare to fall back. Shikamaru, take your half of the Division to back up Durai when I give the order.
Shikamaru: Roger!
Onoki: Tell me, Gaara-sama...this Naruto kid...is he really all that? Is he really worth what this will no doubt cost you?
Gaara: No. He's worth ten time more than this will cost me.
Onoki: Well...well. No way I'm going to let myself die here and miss the chance of meeting that guy now.
 
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Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 527 Predictions and 526 Discussion

Thought was a discussion on Chapter 526 .... All I see is Pain vs Itachi WTF guys... leave that discussion for when it happens... if it should... This chapter though brought me back to what I posted on chapter 522... The connection between Madara/Tobi and black Zetsu...
See yer!!!!!

Good day gentlemen...

Will try to keep this as brief as possible.

I think the person in the last coffin is part of the original members of Akatsuki, (Madara or Black Zetsu the full original one). Because Kabuto releases his summons in groups.


The first time in front of Madara the original Akatsuki members Chapter 489 - Pages 18 - 19-20
When going to war - Chapter 515 - Again the Akatsuki members except the last coffin.
- The former Jinchuuriki
- The Previous Kages
- Former Enemies of the Leaf
- Those with bloodline limits
- Former leaf heroes

Chapter 522 - Page 16-17 - Seven Swordsmen of the Hidden Mist


If you read Chapter 486 page 03 - White zetsu comes to rescue Sasuke,
Chapter 486 page 05 - Madara is talking to Black Zetsu, Black Zetsu is healing him, (notice the black arm on madara's shoulder - and madara's white hand, pls dnt tell me it could be a glove)
white zetsu comes to inform them that Sasuke is in trouble, doesnt the white and black zetsu appear to Madara, howcome it's only the white well because black is repairing him.
I think the full black zetsu was there from the beginning when Madara and the First Hokage had their battle. The black Zetsu must've founded Madara and healed him, Black Zetsu 1 half and Madara fused, remember that Madara also has 2 personalities. The white zetsus were created as clones from the original full black zetsu.

Lemme knw wot u think...
You failed to point out the person you believe to be in the coffin?., i believe ur saying its madara or zetsu, but u turn around and talk about them both being alive, u said u think zetsu healed madara, so madara in ur theory never died, then fused half of himself with black zetsu, so zetsu never died either,....
 

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yes he can but i dont think his range is that good.......he sensed kakashi was gone during pain battle but he himself said he needed to train with sage mode,as that would be the key to finding sasuke (during the kage summit)

yet he tracked kakashi's chakra to find sakura,kakashi,tobi, and sasuke in battle, but he did know which direction sakura went that sai and kakashi followed........so he knew wich direction to focus on

so clearly he has range limitations
the turtle island Naruto is in is shielded from the outside world, it has some sort of barrier around it so no one could detect them, or if the one it can't sense the people from the outside world. however 'cause of the large size of that thing it can easily be found with the naked eye, never wondered why deidara was the one finding that thing ? well that's because he was the only one who could fly with some help of his clay-bird.
so if Naruto wasn't in there he probably could sense everyone in the world.

and to add that Naruto has too come back with some wind type element ninjutsu (like Sora) and another element i'd preferred earth or fire element, he could make an awesome kekkei-genkai with those, wind-earth release: rock-dragon tornado jutsu or wind-fire release: fire-storm typhoon jutsu anyway's like that's gonna happen lol
 
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wait! Madara took Nagatos eyes right. Then how can Nagato/ Pain still have them if he is resurrected with the 2nd hokages jutsu.??

Actually still don't get why all the six paths of pain had the rinnegan.

But still Madara takes eyes. Kabuto calls Nagato back from the dead and BANG he has gotten his eye back. that is just weird?!?
I do not remember any page that shows the resurrected Nagato with his rinnegan, which is why i kept expressing a sense of desire to know how he is going to fight if he doesnt have his eyes, since that was his technique..
 
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