[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 526 Discussion and 527 Predictions

[BigSempire]

I really hope to see our main character soon or dis will have to b renamed 'd shinobi war'. I tot Naruto's kyubi mode culd sense
chakra.He shuld knw watz goin on by now.

(that's true...wat gives man)
kishi has flaws in this thing

 

[ssanimo]

(that's true...wat gives man)
kishi has flaws in this thing

yes he can but i dont think his range is that good.......he sensed kakashi was gone during pain battle but he himself said he needed to train with sage mode,as that would be the key to finding sasuke (during the kage summit)

yet he tracked kakashi's chakra to find sakura,kakashi,tobi, and sasuke in battle, but he did know which direction sakura went that sai and kakashi followed........so he knew wich direction to focus on

so clearly he has range limitations

 

[try1x07]

Reading a lot of information, especially information from issue 520 (I've read some of the spoilers), I'm starting to put together a theory about Madara. I'm marking this post as a SPOILER because I mention some things from the spoiler for 520. Don't read this if you are trying to be surprised by 520.

What do we know about Tobirama? He was extremely powerful. He was a master of water style and space/time jutsus. He also apparently conceived of the most evil jutsu in the entire series: Edo Tensei, the ability to trap a dead soul into a body by killing a sacrifice. When he become Hokage, Tobirama created the police force to segregate the Uchiha from the rest of the village. Tobirama sacrificed himself during the second great ninja war to save his squad. We never see him die, and none of the characters seem to have seen it either. He was apparently the most powerful ninja alive at the time of his death.

What do we know about Madara? He was an extemely powerful Uchiha who frequently fought Hashirama, because the two of them were the tops of their clans. He apparently died in battle against Hashirama, with many witnesses. But he claims otherwise: Instead of dieing he somehow gained Hashirama's power during the battle and eventually learned Izanagi, Gained the rinnegan to give to Nagato, grew some of Hashirama's cells for the big flower thing, and used it to create a gigantic army of Zetsu clones.

Much later, Orochimaru learns the secrets of Edo Tensei and "perfects" it before being merged with Kabuto. Keep in mind that only Kabuto called in "perfect", and Kabuto is evil. Tobirama would not have called Kabuto's version of Edo Tensei "perfect". In fact, I don't think the two are the same jutsu.

If Tobirama was a good guy, it seems weird that he would have created the most evil jutsu. I think it's pretty unlikely that Tobirama would have ever attempted it or practiced it, because people would get upset if the Hokage were killing sacrifices to test a new Jutsu. That's an evil kind of thing and not something the Hokage would be able to do. Tobirama loved his people, loved his village, sacrificed himself for others, and would not have used something evil like Edo Tensei. He probably wouldn't even have thought about it, at least not the way Orochimaru used it.

Orochimaru on the other hand is evil. He can do evil things like kill people for Edo Tensei. We frequently see him sacrifice the people around him for his personal gain. We frequently see him kill people for experiments, and he would have had no problem doing that for Edo Tensei. Kabuto claims he did many experiments with it.

Let's assume that Tobirama developed a technique that allowed him to communicate with the souls of dead people, and maybe gain their power and learn techniques from those souls, temporarily. This technique would have been very helpful, but it would have been limited because Tobirama didn't want to hurt anybody while doing it. Even in this limited state, Tobirama would have appeared to be the most powerful ninja in the world because he could use the combined powers of other ninja who had already died. Orochimaru would have seen the limitations as "imperfections" and would have been eager to "perfect" the technique. He wouldn't have worried about killing people in his experiments until he found a version that he could use.

Tobirama develops a technique that helps give him power and knowledge. It allows him to use the souls of dead friends to help him protect the village. This is perfectly reasonable, and something a Hokage might do. It is a little dark, but isn't evil and doesn't require sacrifice. Plus, it helps people communicate with their dead loved ones, and bring peace to souls killed in battle. Orochimaru turned it evil, but removed some of the limitations from it.

This assumption is perfectly in line with everything we know about these two characters: Tobirama loves people and forms strong bonds with them which last after death. Orochimaru does not value people, and is willing to sacrifice their lives for his experiments and use their souls as tools to help increase his power.

Now, enter Madara/Toby. This character does not appear to have any EMS techniques like the real Madara was supposed to have. He also was supposed to have died in the Valley of the End, but is still alive. Itachi says he is just a shell of his former self. He now has Izanagi, which appears to require both Uchiha and Senju essence in order to perform it.

What if Madara is an Edo Tensei soul trapped in the living body of Tobirama? What if Madara is a "shell of his former self" because he was created using the "imperfect" form of Edo Tensei that Tobirama created?

Tobirama is in the second ninja war and his team is surrounded. He sends the rest of his team off and prepares to engage 20 ninja by himself. He's fighting and dieing, so he uses one last Jutsu: Edo Tensei. He summons the soul of a powerful warrior into himself so he can give his friends a few more minutes to escape. That powerful warrior is Madara. Madara's soul gives Tobirama more chakra and he can continue the fight, eventually defeating all his enemies.

Tobirama would have used space/time jutsus in the battle, so Madara's soul would have witnessed those and learned them. Tobirama would probably not have used Edo Tensei again, so Madara's soul would not have seen it and would not know it.

Kabuto's Edo Tensei keeps all the abilities of the soul he summons: Itachi still has his MS, Nagato still has his rinnegan, etc. The souls that Kabuto summons are also invincible. Either of these things could change as the limitations in Tobirama's version. Maybe the summoned madara had sharingan but not EMS. Maybe he could live for a long time but was not completely invulnerable

Tobirama uses almost all his chakra and cannot control the soul of Madara Uchiha any more. He dies, and Madara's soul takes over his body. Now we have "Madara" with the body of the Senju and the spirit of the Uchiha, with Sharingan (but not MS), with powerful space/time jutsu like Tobirama had, but limited in power because of the "incomplete" Edo Tensei that Tobirama used. He's probably not indestructable like Kabuto's version, but he has been alive for a very long time without dieing. He is now a shell of his former self who needs to use the power of the Sage of Six paths to make himself whole again. In other words, he needs to create a real body for himself, and move his soul back into a real Uchiha body where he will gain all of his old powers again.

Madara's "real" body could not be in the coffin, because Madara's soul is in Tobirama and cannot be summoned from there. Tobirama could not be in the coffin either, because he cannot be summoned again, because he was sealed by Hiruzen. This theory does not explain who was in that damn coffin.

 

[rockerstud]

zestu moves like the earth
not bad

wish i had that tech so i wont be seen from other people

and that black lighting was sick

 

[YowYan]

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 527 Predictions and 526 Discussion

I was still hoping to see if kakashi was going to finish his rampage. Chapter was ok though, just setting up all the fights for the next few chapters. Looks like the Kinkaku and Ginkaku bros did kill the second Hokage by the way they were talking about him. Zetsu is even more mysterious than ever. Darui reminds me a lot of Kakashi, can't wait to see how he is in battle.

my thread was just about what u just mentioned.
Darui n kakashi r alike

 

[Rico Uchiha]

i don't think Tobirama didn't kill people... I think he did, but used this thing in a different way man. More like;

in a war killing an enemy and immediately bind it's soul so it will fight on the Hokage's side. more in a quick way and more temporary..

Reading a lot of information, especially information from issue 520 (I've read some of the spoilers), I'm starting to put together a theory about Madara. I'm marking this post as a SPOILER because I mention some things from the spoiler for 520. Don't read this if you are trying to be surprised by 520.

What do we know about Tobirama? He was extremely powerful. He was a master of water style and space/time jutsus. He also apparently conceived of the most evil jutsu in the entire series: Edo Tensei, the ability to trap a dead soul into a body by killing a sacrifice. When he become Hokage, Tobirama created the police force to segregate the Uchiha from the rest of the village. Tobirama sacrificed himself during the second great ninja war to save his squad. We never see him die, and none of the characters seem to have seen it either. He was apparently the most powerful ninja alive at the time of his death.

What do we know about Madara? He was an extemely powerful Uchiha who frequently fought Hashirama, because the two of them were the tops of their clans. He apparently died in battle against Hashirama, with many witnesses. But he claims otherwise: Instead of dieing he somehow gained Hashirama's power during the battle and eventually learned Izanagi, Gained the rinnegan to give to Nagato, grew some of Hashirama's cells for the big flower thing, and used it to create a gigantic army of Zetsu clones.

Much later, Orochimaru learns the secrets of Edo Tensei and "perfects" it before being merged with Kabuto. Keep in mind that only Kabuto called in "perfect", and Kabuto is evil. Tobirama would not have called Kabuto's version of Edo Tensei "perfect". In fact, I don't think the two are the same jutsu.

If Tobirama was a good guy, it seems weird that he would have created the most evil jutsu. I think it's pretty unlikely that Tobirama would have ever attempted it or practiced it, because people would get upset if the Hokage were killing sacrifices to test a new Jutsu. That's an evil kind of thing and not something the Hokage would be able to do. Tobirama loved his people, loved his village, sacrificed himself for others, and would not have used something evil like Edo Tensei. He probably wouldn't even have thought about it, at least not the way Orochimaru used it.

Orochimaru on the other hand is evil. He can do evil things like kill people for Edo Tensei. We frequently see him sacrifice the people around him for his personal gain. We frequently see him kill people for experiments, and he would have had no problem doing that for Edo Tensei. Kabuto claims he did many experiments with it.

Let's assume that Tobirama developed a technique that allowed him to communicate with the souls of dead people, and maybe gain their power and learn techniques from those souls, temporarily. This technique would have been very helpful, but it would have been limited because Tobirama didn't want to hurt anybody while doing it. Even in this limited state, Tobirama would have appeared to be the most powerful ninja in the world because he could use the combined powers of other ninja who had already died. Orochimaru would have seen the limitations as "imperfections" and would have been eager to "perfect" the technique. He wouldn't have worried about killing people in his experiments until he found a version that he could use.

Tobirama develops a technique that helps give him power and knowledge. It allows him to use the souls of dead friends to help him protect the village. This is perfectly reasonable, and something a Hokage might do. It is a little dark, but isn't evil and doesn't require sacrifice. Plus, it helps people communicate with their dead loved ones, and bring peace to souls killed in battle. Orochimaru turned it evil, but removed some of the limitations from it.

This assumption is perfectly in line with everything we know about these two characters: Tobirama loves people and forms strong bonds with them which last after death. Orochimaru does not value people, and is willing to sacrifice their lives for his experiments and use their souls as tools to help increase his power.

Now, enter Madara/Toby. This character does not appear to have any EMS techniques like the real Madara was supposed to have. He also was supposed to have died in the Valley of the End, but is still alive. Itachi says he is just a shell of his former self. He now has Izanagi, which appears to require both Uchiha and Senju essence in order to perform it.

What if Madara is an Edo Tensei soul trapped in the living body of Tobirama? What if Madara is a "shell of his former self" because he was created using the "imperfect" form of Edo Tensei that Tobirama created?

Tobirama is in the second ninja war and his team is surrounded. He sends the rest of his team off and prepares to engage 20 ninja by himself. He's fighting and dieing, so he uses one last Jutsu: Edo Tensei. He summons the soul of a powerful warrior into himself so he can give his friends a few more minutes to escape. That powerful warrior is Madara. Madara's soul gives Tobirama more chakra and he can continue the fight, eventually defeating all his enemies.

Tobirama would have used space/time jutsus in the battle, so Madara's soul would have witnessed those and learned them. Tobirama would probably not have used Edo Tensei again, so Madara's soul would not have seen it and would not know it.

Kabuto's Edo Tensei keeps all the abilities of the soul he summons: Itachi still has his MS, Nagato still has his rinnegan, etc. The souls that Kabuto summons are also invincible. Either of these things could change as the limitations in Tobirama's version. Maybe the summoned madara had sharingan but not EMS. Maybe he could live for a long time but was not completely invulnerable

Tobirama uses almost all his chakra and cannot control the soul of Madara Uchiha any more. He dies, and Madara's soul takes over his body. Now we have "Madara" with the body of the Senju and the spirit of the Uchiha, with Sharingan (but not MS), with powerful space/time jutsu like Tobirama had, but limited in power because of the "incomplete" Edo Tensei that Tobirama used. He's probably not indestructable like Kabuto's version, but he has been alive for a very long time without dieing. He is now a shell of his former self who needs to use the power of the Sage of Six paths to make himself whole again. In other words, he needs to create a real body for himself, and move his soul back into a real Uchiha body where he will gain all of his old powers again.

Madara's "real" body could not be in the coffin, because Madara's soul is in Tobirama and cannot be summoned from there. Tobirama could not be in the coffin either, because he cannot be summoned again, because he was sealed by Hiruzen. This theory does not explain who was in that damn coffin.

 

[cryhwks]

(that's true...wat gives man)
kishi has flaws in this thing

I actually like where not seeing Naruto yet that way we will be just as surprised as Kakashi & the other Konoha Shinobi of what Naruto can now do. & I think there is a reason why Kishi has not shown Itachi yet because i think Kakashi will start the fight with Itachi but Kakashi will be about to die when Naruto comes & saves Kakashi & Naruto will beat Itachi & probably learn the whole true story behind the Uchiha Clan Massacre.

 

[Pervy nin]

Hay all!

Classes are suuuch a drag, and they keep me from doing what I love most...writing Naurto forum post! Interesting and entertaining chapter and here's why...

1. Dauri's black panther lightning release technique is getting anything but grief. No doubt about it, Dauri is dope! He seems to be so laid back and care free even in the midst of a battlefield! One curious question that came to my attention is, why did the Third Raikage pass his lightning skills down to Dauri, instead of Bee or A??? Also, lets not forget Dauri has yet to unsheath his sword to show us some wicked kenjutsu techniques!

2. I suspect that Kitsuchi's division is mobilizing to take Kankurou's squads place, to fight Elder Chiyo and her mates. Should be interesting, if it does happen, but expect us to witness this event!

3. Don't take the briefly spoken words of the Third Tsuchikage, it seems like he is making peace before he achieves his goal, while become deceased. Yes, I am predicting his death after Mu is handled. An honorable way to go out, two warriors dying simultaneously, especially neat in this case because we have teacher vs student.

NOW FOR MY BIGGEST REVELATION...

4. The mystery of Zetsu appears to be becoming clearer and clearer, at least from what I see and now i'll say what I see with thee...

a. Hashirama Senju was a master of wood release, which combines water and earth release, thus he needed to master these two techniques before wood release could become complete. Ya diggg?...
b. Tobi-Madara claims to have possession of Hashirama's DNA! Since, he is claiming to be Madara we'll say he got the DNA after or during his battle at The Valley of the End...
c. Madara was assumed to be dead after the bout. This was assumed because he was mortally wounded. But even though he lost the battle, he would ultimately won the war...
d. By the battles end Madara had possession of Hashirama's DNA and his first creation with it...Zetsu. Whether he combined a little of Hashirama's DNA to some random shinboi or made Zetsu from scratch. Madara then utilized Zetsu to heal his wounds and we've seen him do it again after losing and arm to Konan! Now here is more proof...
e. We constantly see Zetsu poping out of trees! Trees are result of wood release!!! Zetsu has Hashirama's DNA thus he can travel through the trees!!! However, Zetsu has traveled through the ground, but earth release is part of wood release!!! Do you see what I'm saying??? Moreover, Zetsu has two halves, white and black. I'm claiming each specializes in one of the two techniques for wood release; black = earth release and white = water release (we'll get to that in a sec). This is why black Zetsu claims to be the earth! Now lets move to white Zetsu...
f. Uhhh in the last chapter didn't a ton of white Zetsu travel through water no problem? Read above and this conclusion will be as easy as simple arithmetic. Remember, water release users wouldn't have problems living in water...
g. Finally, I think...Yamato, another Hashirama DNA holder was utilized to maximize white Zetu's strength! Yamsto was able to increase white Zetsu's strength because he could provide the water release that white Zetsu was missing when he separated from black Zetsu!...
h. I'm done. Sorry for being so long...

Oh wait! Some of my theory could be tweeked, The black and white Zetsu don't necessarily have to specialize in earth and water release respectively, but they could have just divided the power when they separated. Either way it doesn't much matter. This theory is of coursed based on Tobi really being Madara, and this theory helps me support that thought, to a degree. I'm still a skeptic on who is really behind that mask lol.

Finally, black zetsu claiming to be the earth is a testament to how great hashirama's powers were. Not only did he have control of the earth, but he had to have mastery of water, thus leading to his progression to wood release. Hashirama literally had control over the physical world!!! Amazing and astounding. Can't wait to hear the hate or great!

See you in the forum fray soon!

PS Kishi gets paid 100,000 dollars a manga...Believe it!

 

[Toronto]

Do any of you think kabuto will bring back konan (most likely not yahiko) or did she sink into the ocean too? (lol with jiraiya)

 

[Toronto]

OMG I keep getting mixed up with Omoi and Darui!!! ahh

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Do any of you think kabuto will bring back konan (most likely not yahiko) or did she sink into the ocean too? (lol with jiraiya)

Don't think Konana isn't really that strong so Kabuto won't really waste his time bringing Konana back even he could.

 

[Reycom394]

OMG!!!! BLACK LIGHTNING!!!! thats awesome!! but as for over all content, 3. i was expecting either Gaara or Kakashi action... and I didn't get that....

 

[jabznaruto]

yo! leaving my thougths before i go mountin' climbin' for a week.

1. darui rocks! i think his powers will be at par with that of kakashi. still his left eye is still covered by that rebond-needin' hair.
2. why do we see a shinobi vs an edo face offs from the same village? hmmm, kishi is hinting somtin' deep here.
3. zetsu-black is "the land"? uh uh powerful spionage huh? zetsu-white is indeed a diversion and meant for war of attrition.
4. so, pretty mizukage is a feudal lords' bodyguard -- i wished, i was a feudal lord lol...
5. neji-hinata comrade ready....chill!!. zetsu whites should prepare for extinction hehe
6. kin-gin whiskers look like kyuubi whiskers...sora-like chakra came with the edo summoning...hmmm, a bit wayward. guess kin-gin are not
jinchuurikis after all.
7. the mention of tobirama senju is keeping kabuto's reputation in dark eh...kabuto should be seeing the lights soon ...and then off his
light goes hehe...

a good 4/5 chapter...see u guys after a week.

hasta otra!

 

[curtis012]

1. Where do u think the other Hawk members went?
2. Sasukes new eye and a newer more evolved form of sasunoo<spelling=[
3. Naruto's new technique.
4. Kakashi's rampage and how is he going to use sai..
5. Tsunade and dan??
6. Asuma? where is he? cuz chyio n branch dude from the hyuga clan separated so where is he?

 

[minatoisagod]

Has anyone noticed that almost all of the old dead people seem to know edo tensei very well.......? and that 2nd Hokage created it.....?
It seems like 2nd hokage used this technique a lot in lots of battles....... Sigh! And i thought niidaime was a good person...... He is the one who started the tradition of disrespecting the dead........ Even so, he shouldn't have written it down and made it vulnerable to vultures like orochimaru and kabuto....... What a drag......

LOL good point so true they all seem to know

 

[Lostdreams]

To me its really seems like zetsu is a more intense version of yamato so that leads me to believe either Orochimaru or Madara infused him with the hokages dna.

 

[ROGU3]

Don't think Konana isn't really that strong so Kabuto won't really waste his time bringing Konana back even he could.

Konan could have killed madara had it not been for inazagi, so i wouldnt say she is a weak opponent

 

[minatoisagod]

this war makes me realize the it is not the hokages who were all that man. They other kages seem epic as well. Those brothers seem to be epic can't wait to see what they can do. Need to see the reaction when pain and itachi make their debut though that will be just too awesome. So much anticipation i may die waiting

Kakshi needs to be shown though along with what madara is up to

 

[Steps]

1. Where do u think the other Hawk members went?
2. Sasukes new eye and a newer more evolved form of sasunoo<spelling=[
3. Naruto's new technique.
4. Kakashi's rampage and how is he going to use sai..
5. Tsunade and dan??
6. Asuma? where is he? cuz chyio n branch dude from the hyuga clan separated so where is he?

1. Konan is I think jailed at Konoha, Suigetsu and Jugo just escaped from their prison in the Land of Iron.
2. No clue, he's probably still healing.
3. Probably a new variation of the Rasengan
4. Kakashi will go on his rampage and when he does a fatal-like blow Sai will seal them.
5. Tsunade will probably join in towards the end
7. When you saw Dan jump and confronted Choza, Asuma was beside him I believe.

 

[Steps]

Konan could have killed madara had it not been for inazagi, so i wouldnt say she is a weak opponent

Yeah but Konan had the advanage of setting up the field of battle with her paper bombs, if she had fought Madara without that much preparation she would have been owned.