[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 518 Discussion and 519 Predictions

[itachi86]

Loved the episode and for the people surprised by the swift victory think about this sasori as bad ass as he is when he fought sakura he laid out every card he had and unless he came up with a new jutsu in the afterlife there were no surprises and the villages shared all their Intel and deidra weakness to lightning jutsu has been exposed that along with the growth of kankoru is no surprise once again great episode

 

[narutouzumaki342]

Maybe the reason why Kabuto didn't bring for example, Jiraiya, he didn't have nothing left to do in narutos world, he died happily. Maybe some powerful characters that we wont see is for this reason.

 

[Alkad]

Overall pretty good chapter, weve learned a few new things. Lets recall the events.

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  Kankurou obtains black secret technique and surpasses sasori. It's safe to say but not fully stated, kabuto can control just as much or more puppets then sasori's red secret technique which utilized 100 puppets

• Edo Tensei summons can regenerate even after being blown up to shreds

• Defeating an Edo Tensei summon requires releasing their soul which binds them to the living world ( this may be a requirement only for those who kabuto left with their minds/ feelings intact)

• souls that died before finishing their duty in the living world or who felt that death came to soon to them can be reused for Edo Tensei? (even though it hasn't been stated, It's a possibility that jiraiya wont come back due to the fact he was satisfied with his duty before he died).

Kankurou was never weak as some are suprised that hes doing a gud job against sasori and directing his comrads. As I recall, he was 1 of 3 fighters during the chuunin exams to even become a jounin. The other two where Neji and Temari. To be appointed a General in the war also shows his maturity and growth as a shinobi. ps for those in America Happy Thanksgiving Big Belly no Jutsu xd

third point: not a requirement, only a possibility. you can defeat them by sealing their souls even further (like the dead demon). It's only best to avoid it... for the sake of both parties

fourth point: I think that seeing the drawing only made sai's brother stronger. Now it would be particularly hard for kabuto to bring him back. he might be able to do it with extra effort and then taking away his personality.

but sai's brother is not worth it. as we've seen, he was only good for blowing himself up. I think it's natural: sai's brother died even before entering root. (is it?)

basically, it just happened for him to be particularly strong to overcome kabuto's will power. This extra requirement/impediment (will power) makes sense when you think of how amazed was madara by kabuto's mysterious summon. So I don't think it's happiness

Much like how sasuke broke danzou's seal during their fight: raw mental/emotional power.

 

[Cooldragon]

So basically, you're saying that in order to kill an -EDO TENSEI- summon is by sealing it's soul (ex. using death god)? How many did Kabuto summon? If that's the case. He wouldn't NEED Madara and his army of Zetzu, he can fight the whole alliance side with his Edo Tensei. You know what? He could fight the whole planet with it. Remember, every jutsu has a weakness.

Kankorou asked everyone to take care of Sai's brother -NOT KNOW- that he would be freed by looking at the completed art work. It's just the way Kishimoto plans out his story, showing us readers that the Alliance has some good skilled ninja as well because from reading the last two chapters? I see Akatsuki > Shinobi.

Getting back to the manga story. The alliance ambush side is just.... wow. That's some epic teamwork they got there.

Omoi - Outsmarted Deidara by flanking and cutting off the chakra string. Really threw Deidara off guard. And defusing Deidara's self destruct.

Kankorou - From reading back to the old chapters I figure he is another nobody and will probably die later. But actually, he -surpassed- the puppet master Sasori and showing us he is leading an ambush team. (This is the team that will have a huge impact depending if they're successful)

Sai - Need I say more? This guy is awesome.

Akatsuki - Sure as hell didn't expect a hard fight lol.

Also, on page - 11 after the explosion. Did you notice that the mist ninja is coming back? Perhaps we'll see a counter-attack in the next chapter.

Definitely a 5/5. Lots of action and lots of improvements from every shinobi.

How can you say Kankurou's a nobody? Though I agree that the Akatsuki didn't fight as hard as I expected.

 

[Kurai Uchiha]

But he never wiped his personality at that point, he left them with their personality. When it comes to the battlefield now he'll most likely like he said wipe their personality so their only mindless killing machines.

The tag which Kabuto must have inserted in the revived must have been the same as Orochimaru who turned the first to Hokages into mindless killing machines unlike the tag which leaves the personality and physical control to the revived members of Akatsuki. Shin and Chūkichi were insterted with the same tag as Akatsuki's where Kabuto destroyed Chūkichi's because of his disobeyance. Which left Shin with his personality but using his body to fight without any physical controls.

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

third point: not a requirement, only a possibility. you can defeat them by sealing their souls even further (like the dead demon). It's only best to avoid it... for the sake of both parties

fourth point: I think that seeing the drawing only made sai's brother stronger. Now it would be particularly hard for kabuto to bring him back. he might be able to do it with extra effort and then taking away his personality.

but sai's brother is not worth it. as we've seen, he was only good for blowing himself up. I think it's natural: sai's brother died even before entering root. (is it?)

basically, it just happened for him to be particularly strong to overcome kabuto's will power. This extra requirement/impediment (will power) makes sense when you think of how amazed was madara by kabuto's mysterious summon.

We currently know about the dead demon soul and restriction of the Edo Tensei summons so I didn't even bother with that one lol, I was just summing up the chapter. As for sai's brother, I wouldn't say he overcame kabuto's will power because kabuto left his mind intact on purpose. All he did was just break the jutsu, but if kabuto really wanted to use him from the start he would have just cleared his mind from all emotions and memory's. Kabuto's main focus is on his stronger summons like Itachi, nagato, hanzo, and the previous hokages and possible the previous jinchuuriki's. Im sure breaking through these ppl will be alot harder to do because kabuto has a stronger hold on them.

 

[nasuke]

Umm I wanted to see Naruto train... He should be in the front lines hurling rasenshurikens at the enimies!!!

 

[Pin]

great chapter. i don't expect the fight to end there though. there must be more next week!

love the teamwork from the alliance, hopefully the other squads will have the same teamwork.

also good to see sai finally step up to the game and show his true potential! i guess emotions really can stir up more in a shinobi huh (as opposed to "shinobi must not show their emotions" or whatever)

i'm also glad to see omoi show off his sword skills and getting over his paranoia, and kankurou stepping up as well and leading the squad with all his might.

i'm guessing sai's brother broke free of the hold so easily because maybe kabuto didn't really focus on him? and kabuto did mention that he hasn't cleaned them of their personalities and stuff. i'm pretty sure sasori would want to break free if he knows that the old spy he sent to orochimaru is the one controlling him now!

edo tensei can't be broken that easily. if it were, the war wouldn't be an exciting one and everything would be solved just by naruto giving a moving and long winded speech about love, friendship and all that jazz :S

 

[OopsWrongHole]

The tag which Kabuto must have inserted in the revived must have been the same as Orochimaru who turned the first to Hokages into mindless killing machines unlike the tag which leaves the personality and physical control to the revived members of Akatsuki. Shin and Chūkichi were insterted with the same tag as Akatsuki's where Kabuto destroyed Chūkichi's because of his disobeyance. Which left Shin with his personality but using his body to fight without any physical controls.

Yes Shin was left with his personality, That was why when he saw Sai's book, The overwhelming emotions broke the bond he was tied by.

 

[David1996]

chapter 518...great
i really liked the new jutsus
specially sai's 2 warriors

 

[Sage of the Force]

Frankly, I think this was a brilliant chapter. The action had the same pared-down slickness of Kishi's best issues - he excels at never drawing a frame too many, a skill the anime has decided to take and completely ignore.

And what a beautiful ending! I can't believe people are complaining about it. Think about what, traditionally, a soul is. It's something that is affected by other things through meaningful relatonships, not a mindless puppet. There was no chance of Deidara or Sasori being defeated in this way, because they've broken off all their meaningful relationships, but the others they've resurrected . . . Kakashi could fight Zabuza and remind him of their final conversation; Dan and Tsunade; Asuma and Shikamaru; Sakura and Chiyo; Neji and Hizashi.

Kishi's smarter than we give him credit for: this comes back to Orochimaru and Madara and Kabuto's lack of respect for other humans. The independence of souls is never something they'd consider because they don't care enough for what a soul represents. They'll never understand the extent to which humans can love and want to help one another, which is the precise reason why Nagato and Konan switched their alliegance to Naruto. Could Edo Tensei be a symbol of Naruto's healing of the ninja world? Wouldn't that be wonderful.

Two final points: one, I'm glad to see the ambush team is composed of competent ninjas. It wasn't a case of Kabuto, Omoi and Sai racing to protect everyone else; Ittan, in particular, reacted with impressive speed to first protect everyone from Deidara's first bomb, and then to derail Deidara's attack plan. Good show.

And two, Sai is awesome.

Beautiful way of saying it.....makes sense I love how kishimoto puts great meanings in the manga

 

[Sage of the Force]

I think that naruto will be the key to releasing the souls of the other jinchuriki since he helped change garra and he's one of the few ppl who can relate to being a jinchuriki.....as far as the next chapter I think the mist sensor guy is gonna come back but don't know what's gonna happen after bcuz we can count on kishi to always throw in a surprise once in a while...

 

[Keese777]

this chapter was great i was suprised by Kankurou leadership and his black secret technique

 

[Revan]

i absolutely didnt like the chapter.
Seriously, Sasori and Deideira didnt do anything at all, and edo tensei was defeated by love/will? Allright, so Kabuto can release all kages, almost all special nins and fight with the Akatsuki , who did... right, absolutely nothing (!) in the last fight (well, Kabuto can also release Itachi and Nagato, because they wont fight too).

i feared before that Akatsuki would lose against this loser-team contrary to any logic, but the way they did was horrible, because akatsuki fought on a level that genins do, which was barely enough to let kankuro show every puppet once.

 

[lorienlupin]

Ok, so I don't think it's love, or happy thoughts, or anything like that what terminated the edo tensei. I think it's more about unfinished business; not having seen the finished drawing was that guy's (Sai's brother, whatever his name is) unfinished business, and when he saw it, nothing bounded him to the world anymore.
If that's true, that would explain why Jiraiya, and the 3rd hokage, for example, where not among the resuscitated, they did not have any unfinished business, they have accepted dead and entrust the rest to other people, and with no unfinished business Kabuto couldn't use the edo tensei on them; not like Asuma, for naming one, he didn't see his child, he didn't knew if Shikamaru survived the whole Hidan and Kakuzu thing, he had unfinished business and he could be use in Kanuto's jutsu.

 

[steezygezzy]

awesome chapter! action and alot of explaining.

kankuro doesnt suck the cack anymore!

 

[John Constantine]

Where's the poll?
I would give it a 3, very disappointed with the first battle. Deidara and Sasori went down way too easy against low-tier characters and this way of breaking Edo Tensei is just lame.

 

[Karmolo]

very good chapter

 

[Revan]

Where's the poll?
I would give it a 3, very disappointed with the first battle. Deidara and Sasori went down way too easy against low-tier characters and this way of breaking Edo Tensei is just lame.

finally someone who shares my opinion. deideira and sasori didnt do one single jutsu, how can anyone describe this battle as awesome?

 

[xxxsparrow89xxx]

Gotta admit tho watchion Kankuro use sasoris old body against him was awesome.