[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 515 Discussion/ 516 Predictions

[UzumakiAkarui]

Good points there, but your fogetting alot more for each side. Each village has attributes, strengths and weaknesses, but if you think of it, just because most of the Akatsuki members are back doesn't mean the Aliance is in grave danger. You go from members who died to even Sakura back before Naruto learned Sage techniques to characters such as Naruto who have controlled the power of the Kyubi. I'm sure most Konoha ninjas advanced in strength greatly while these Akatsuki members were dead. The only members I find who might be troublesome is Asuma, Itachi, the Kages, Madara, Sasuke, Kabuto and Dan.

There's also the summonings. The Aliance has like what, 70k soldiers/ninjas ready for war? I'm sure atleast 1/10th can summon beasts, and the toads such as Gamabunta were able to even take on the 1-tailed beast for a short time. With hundreds to thousands of summonings and all the ninjas with capabilities to perform seals upon the tailed-beasts will give the Aliance a huge helping hand. Not to mention Bee and Naruto possess the two most powerful tailed beasts and the fact that Garra still possess the powers of his tailed beast even though it's gone. Infact, Gaara might be the Commanding General due to this fact. His ultimate defence is what might be a key defence to the tailed beasts.

If anything, if I were any one of those members on the Aliance, I wouldn't be fearing Madara or Sasuke, I'd be terrified of Gedo Mazo. It can kill you with that ghost dragon thing if it touches you. That thing going through a crowd of ninjas will take them all out.

Also, Madara does have a reason. He doesn't want to lose this war. He wants to take over as fast as possible, so I think Madara's weakness will be him rushing.

Fair enough, but summoning a boss takes KAGE LEVEL chakra. That's a lot. And the ghost-dragon thingie is part of the extracting technique that the Akatsuki use on jinchuuriki; it's connected to the Gedo Maizo. And now that I mention it, I don't really know if they can even USE the bijuu inside of the Gedo Maizo.
And Madara is old. People mentally measure time in comparison to thier lifespan; to Madara this war will pass a lot faster then to the other shinobi. Old people with large amounts of expirience tend to be stubborn, set in their ways, and patient. Sometimes so patient that they let the enemy have the upper hand because they wait too long for "exactly the right moment"
Now I'm jsut making generalizations.
And as for the villages' strengths and weaknesses, I really don't know enough to go around generalizing each village, so I didn't do that. *shrugs*

 

[DarkFireDragon]

You know, it's kinda sad, but when it actually come to the point where :naruto: and :sasuke: fight each other, I also want them to kill each other. -.-
I mean, I would absolutely love a cliche ending (yes I do happen to like cliche endings -.-) where :naruto: lives (I'm anti-:sasuke: folks) and gets the girl he always wanted; :sakura:, and has his dream come true; .
But I actually would like to see both of them die. ^^ (I'm such a horrible person. :'(

 

[senkensha]

Wah!!!! So much going on! The manga's been really good lately and this just tops it off. Setting us up for war! I can't wait to see how it all pans out. Never expected to see that last group of Madara's (before the zetsus). How will the joint forces react seeing their old comrads? My biggest question is what will Sasuke's roll be in the grand scheme of things--what is his plan?

 

[Psychotic X]

For my help and -hopefully- others here, this is a chart of the weaknesses and strengths of the Alliance and the Akatsuki.
The Shinobi Alliance
Strengths
Some of the more powerful and promising shinobi in the world (The Five Kage, Kakashi, maybe Yamato, Ao, maybe Kirabi and Naruto)
Pure determination and a will to protect what's theirs
Tactical geniuses like Shikamaru and Shikaku
A few battle geniuses like Neji, Kakashi, Gai, and Gaara
Weaknesses
The Akatsuki have a pyschological advantage over several members of the alliance (Hizashi for Neji, Asuma for Shikamaru, Dan for Tsunade, etc.)
Severely outnumbered
Most of the forces are chuunin-level fighters (the majority of shinobi in a village are chuunin-level)
Akatsuki
Strengths
Some of the strongest shinobi who ever existed (Several of the former Kage, Hanzo, the former jinchuuriki, all of the Akatsuki except for Orochimaru, Konan, and Kisame.)
Decades of expirience and knowledge, especially in Kinjutsu (Madara is easily over 90 years old. Orochimaru enjoyed experimenting with Kinjutsu.)
Crazy medical techniques (Kabuto)
The strongest known time-space jutsu (Madara)
Two Eternal Mangekyou Sharingans (Madara & Sasuke)
Pyschological advantage over several members of the Alliance
The Ichibi-Nanabi sealed in the Gedo Maizo
Weaknesses
...This is actually hard.
Madara, Sasuke, and Kabuto are all known to be arrogant and underestimate their opponents.
Potentially don't know the lay of the land as well as the Alliance members
Less of a drive to win (The Alliance has no choice BUT to win, or their way of life is destroyed, Madara is less driven then that because he's old and knows there will always be another chance)

Good points there but I think that the Akatsuki can be a weakness to Madara. They are dead for a reason and their attacks are probably well documented. In fact everyone else's attacks too. For example Sakura fought along side Chiyo and knows alot of her moves and clearly shows she can smash puppets to bits. We also don't know what Kabuto is planning. He can turn on Madara and Zetsu anytime. They Alliance will probably do a lot of amazing team attacks and be more likely to help their comrades. The Alliance also has alot of healers while Akatsuki only has Kabuto, Kakuzu (?), and Chiyo (?). Even then, Kakuzu and Chiyo don't really count. Also a major weakness for the Akatsuki is that they are the bad guys and they generally loose but I really hope they win! Either way the next chapters are going to be the best in the series.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Good points there but I think that the Akatsuki can be a weakness to Madara. They are dead for a reason and their attacks are probably well documented. In fact everyone else's attacks too. For example Sakura fought along side Chiyo and knows alot of her moves and clearly shows she can smash puppets to bits. We also don't know what Kabuto is planning. He can turn on Madara and Zetsu anytime. They Alliance will probably do a lot of amazing team attacks and be more likely to help their comrades. The Alliance also has alot of healers while Akatsuki only has Kabuto, Kakuzu (?), and Chiyo (?). Even then, Kakuzu and Chiyo don't really count. Also a major weakness for the Akatsuki is that they are the bad guys and they generally loose but I really hope they win! Either way the next chapters are going to be the best in the series.

it will not be an easy battle dude but it will be epic sasuke vs sassori but ya everyone will be well aware of their skills so itself will make it all epic​

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

I don't think that Kabuto didn't summoned Minato did he? And why didn't he summoned Kisame he must know that Kisame is dead and what about Jiraiya it would have been interesting. But the most intriguing thing is that Kabuto didn't summoned Orochimaru I wonder why

Ok how on earth is Kabuto able to summon all those guys come one doesn't it make Kabuto almost invincible??? And Madara now questioned himself twice about how much Oro knew about Madara and his plans. Really it makes all the other Akatsuki guys look stupid not being able to understand that someone else is the mastermind except Itachi but even Itachi didn't knew all the real stuffs. Itachi that Madara was the leader of Aktasuki because Madara told him. Really Oro was a true genius. I wonder whether we will see Oro again may be by taking control of Kabuto's body. Kishi please bring Oro backxd

 

[PositiveEmotions]

sorry to be off topic but i wonder if pervy is alive? remember how nagato used the forbidden jutsu to bring back the lifes of those he killed and pervy was one of them so i wonder hmmm

 

[Psychotic X]

I don't think that Kabuto didn't summoned Minato did he? And why didn't he summoned Kisame he must know that Kisame is dead and what about Jiraiya it would have been interesting. But the most intriguing thing is that Kabuto didn't summoned Orochimaru I wonder why

Isn't Oro just chillaxin in Kabuto? If not didn't Itachi like seal him away or some other really cool thing. Hopefully Minato wasn't shown and Naruto will have to face him. Oh the psychological trauma!

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Actually Gaara retained his powers even after the one-tailed demon was extracted from him. Since he didn't use its chakra ever since Orochi's attack on Konoha I would say that it didn't affect him at all. After years of having the bijuu inside, the jinchuriki would surely have changed a lot with his own chakra increased not only due to training but also due to the influence of the tailed beast's chakra. And he would attain some of the bijuu's special powers. That would surely not go away even if the beast is taken out from
them.

As to Edo Tensei I just got a crazy idea. We remember how the third blew off a limb or two from the resurrected first and second hokages. But the limbs regenerated. What if he didn't have a strong enough technique to blow the whole of them up and that is why he decided to use the Dead demon seal? I mean he was very old and barely could seal Oro up. Even though he was already dying while sealing him, imagine his powerful tech just being dodged by the resurrected hokages. Then he would have to try it again. And he would probably not have enough chakra left to get rid of Oro, too. Maybe the key to defeating the summons is either in sealing the souls away or in destroying the whole body instantly so that it does not get a chance to regenerate.

Silence of the lambs, thanks for the summary of both side's forces, I would have done it too as to analyze and compare both sides and have a list I can refer to.

Now someone said Kabuto is really strong by summoning that many people. But I would have to say he probably can summon a few more than Oro at a time and he just stacked all of them in time and has them summoned somewhere and now he just translocates them with the coffins to where he wants them to be. He truly has surpassed Oro in creativeness at the least.

I wonder whether Killerbee will fight Kabuto or black and white zetsu (the one with Sasuke) and Naruto will fight Sasuke. I guess that would leave some of the kages fight Madara and others be support like Tsunade, she is probably going to be medical backup above all.

I'm really glad this was an early release. Now I can use the time available until the next issue to think of some interesting theories/predictions.

edit: I didn't say anything about the quality of this chapter but I guess a figure would better describe it than words so here it is: 100 out of 5

You're welcome. I thought it would be wise to create a chart detailing both sides' forces taking into consideration many seem to be confused about it. As for your post, it's got some intriguing ideas, especially the part on Kabuto's Edo Tensei summons. As you said, it could perhaps be that he has just lined them up in a safe location to use another time to push his own agenda forward. We shall see; Kabuto is indeed becoming more mysterious with each passing chapter.

 

[ngking1]

man epic absolutly epic chapter but i swear to god if naruto sits out on most of the war and only fights the final battle i'll be pissed!

 

[PositiveEmotions]

it might be worth it tho because he will have the other half of the s6op and he might combine it with sm and and kyuubi modes

 

[kisamexRocks]

I don't think that Kabuto didn't summoned Minato did he? And why didn't he summoned Kisame he must know that Kisame is dead and what about Jiraiya it would have been interesting. But the most intriguing thing is that Kabuto didn't summoned Orochimaru I wonder why

I don't think he can summon people who's souls have been taken or sealed away. What I mean is the people that we see, their souls haven't been taken or sealed in any way by That Itachi Blade thing he had with Susanoo or the Demon Reaper Seal thing. So if he doesn't summon them later during the war then they are unable to be summoned because their souls are sealed. But I don't think they know Kisame is dead yet, I don't know why they didn't just check right off the bat to see if he was alive or not.

 

[Savior..]

This is bullcrap, kishi just loves giving the bad side upgrades

 

[Kushan]

I LOLed at Temari telling Shikamaru off....

 

[Ironsandrock]

this chapter is really really really awesome even thought i did not see the complete lineup of akatsuki which include konan and orochimaru, kages and other great shinobi that died before it keeps me reading the chapter over and over again.... hope jiriaya, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th hokage is there including all the kages of the joint shinobi. DAMN!!! this chapter. this war is overkill....:flaw:

 

[Hayashida]

i voted 4.


the joint shinobi army lookin good, but im impressed with the lineup that kabuto presented aswell.

can anyone tell me did among them was the one that when Madara saw him he freaked out a bit? <or was it just those who we saw> .

my lil theory is that it could be Yondaime


cant wait for nxt chapter.


live long and prosper \\v// ... lol

 

[Toby Uchiha]

i think theres a reason that its taking sasuke so long to reveal his EMS, almost as if kishi is saving the best for last, im thinking that sasukes EMS abilities are gonna be equal or greater than narutos new power, why else would it take so long to reveal something thats gonna be weaker than the strongest character right now?

so yea, i think sasuke has that potential to just surprise the hell outta ppl when he shows off his new power

And i'll guess that we will see him next in 1-2 chapters, as we know that the armys are marching. Damn i can't wait any longer!

 

[Floydical]

Yes, it was tricky to assume, but the anime tends to be wrong a majority of the time. They want more veiws so they add stuff that is completely off such as showing a third coffin when it wasn't supposed to even been shown or brought up. But yea, if you take a look back at Kabuto where he summoned those Kages, you won't see any of the Hokages. that is because they are all in the Shinigami's stomach and cannot by any means be brought back.



Good points there, but your fogetting alot more for each side. Each village has attributes, strengths and weaknesses, but if you think of it, just because most of the Akatsuki members are back doesn't mean the Aliance is in grave danger. You go from members who died to even Sakura back before Naruto learned Sage techniques to characters such as Naruto who have controlled the power of the Kyubi. I'm sure most Konoha ninjas advanced in strength greatly while these Akatsuki members were dead. The only members I find who might be troublesome is Asuma, Itachi, the Kages, Madara, Sasuke, Kabuto and Dan.

There's also the summonings. The Aliance has like what, 70k soldiers/ninjas ready for war? I'm sure atleast 1/10th can summon beasts, and the toads such as Gamabunta were able to even take on the 1-tailed beast for a short time. With hundreds to thousands of summonings and all the ninjas with capabilities to perform seals upon the tailed-beasts will give the Aliance a huge helping hand. Not to mention Bee and Naruto possess the two most powerful tailed beasts and the fact that Garra still possess the powers of his tailed beast even though it's gone. Infact, Gaara might be the Commanding General due to this fact. His ultimate defence is what might be a key defence to the tailed beasts.

If anything, if I were any one of those members on the Aliance, I wouldn't be fearing Madara or Sasuke, I'd be terrified of Gedo Mazo. It can kill you with that ghost dragon thing if it touches you. That thing going through a crowd of ninjas will take them all out.

Also, Madara does have a reason. He doesn't want to lose this war. He wants to take over as fast as possible, so I think Madara's weakness will be him rushing.

While you make good points, you have to remember it is essentially 80,000 to 100,000 which is a very difficult magnitude to imagine. It is clear that most of the casualties will occur on a massive scale of basically chunin vs. chunin level shinobi. While the major characters pose the greatest indivdual threat, it is clear that they will not be doing the majority of the killing.

One thing is clear, as the battle progresses, unnamed ninja will die in the masses while kishi takes his time killing off good guys in epic battles and showing us new ways of defeating shinobi revived by edo tensei. Can't wait!

You know, it's kinda sad, but when it actually come to the point where :naruto: and :sasuke: fight each other, I also want them to kill each other. -.-
I mean, I would absolutely love a cliche ending (yes I do happen to like cliche endings -.-) where :naruto: lives (I'm anti-:sasuke: folks) and gets the girl he always wanted; :sakura:, and has his dream come true; .
But I actually would like to see both of them die. ^^ (I'm such a horrible person. :'(

aww thats cute lol

 

[Christyan]

This chapter is awesome and it deserves 10/5 but one thing just comes to my mind ...

Im 100% sure that madara is the final opponent . Did you see that naruto's former enemys , naruto's former friends and everyone who was strong and well known is going to be in this war ? Well not really everyone but you get my point . This war seems like "the war" ... the final war and naruto is racing towards the end ... i give naruto 1 year ... maybe 2 but not more than that ...

 

[lorienlupin]

OMG I'm still screaming inside my head, this was so awesome... so freaking exciting a really big 5 on my scale. The war, the armies, the headbands, loved the the whole thing. The idea that Asuma will fight with the bad guys made me sad (the excited shrill inside my head was a way of mourning). On another topic Kabuto is one confusing bastard, is he actually playing for the good guys? Is he a misunderstood ally of Madara? Or (in my humble opinion the most plausible one) does he had he's own separate evil agenda? Only Kishi (that fantastic genius) knows.

In response to a random thing commented in here that I'm too lazy to quote:

Hidan is in fact dead, why? As another person pointed, Kishimoto said soon after that arc, that Hidan was dying of starvation, it takes like a month to die without any food, and less than a week to die without any liquid... unless he managed to get out of the hole and reattached himself within days of being buried, he's dead.

I could keep on pointing the things that I loved about the chapter, like Shika being the 4th's division defacto general or Gaara being the the boss of them all, but I'm going back to read the whole thing again. Bye