[Predictions] Naruto Manga 505 Discussion and 506 Predictions

[silenceofthelambs]

what are you trying to prove him wrong here?. To choose a hokage there has to be agreement between the elders, hokage, Fire Nation Lord and his nobles. Plus, I don't see anywhere where it says the third hokage chose Minato as his successor. Minato was a big impact during the third war. Minato was feared by commanders of nation. Minato was the one to end the third war as well. He was of big help in the third war and I am sure even the Lord of the Fire Nation notice him as well as the other elders. As a reward for the job he did for the Fire Nation and not just konoha he was rewarded with the option to become hokage. This is how I see it.

He would teleported Orochimaru to another place and defeat him without J-man or tsunade knowing where minato went with oro. Then he would come back and take Tsunade and defeat her. After that he would take J-man and use all his remaining strength and abilities to defeat him.

How would he accomplish this you may ask. When minato took to the nine tail demon fox to another place, he didn't even need to touch the nine tail demon fox. This means that he wouldn't even need to get close to oro or the other three to teleport them and there wouldn't be a way to prevent it. I don't see how. I think minato chooses with his mind his target to teleport which is somewhat like amaterasu but only faster.

There doesn't necessarily have to be an agreement between the Hokage and the Council of Fire in choosing a Hokage. Remember Tobirama Senju, right before leaving to fight the Kinkaku Force (the twenty Kumogakure ninja)? He gave the position to Hiruzen, and I'm fairly certain there were no elders or Fire lords to finalize Tobirama's decision. It can be done by the Hokage himself should the situation call for it.

Hiruzen was simply looking for a successor to the title of Hokage, and while he wanted to choose Orochimaru, selected Minato because he knew Orochimaru would only use the title to further his own ambitions. It wasn't a reward Minato was offered to become Hokage. He was chosen by Hiruzen to succeed, and the rest of the council of Fire went along with the decision.

I don't mean to offend you, but really, you make the Sannin look so weak compared to Minato. He would teleport Orochimaru, defeat him in a couple of minutes, do the same with Tsunade, then go back to finish Jiraiya. You actually think some of the most powerful ninja to live would go down that easily? It amazes me to tell you the truth. But I won't argue. You seem to cling to your opinion quite firmly.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

If I remember right Itachi beat Oro in 1 hit with Totsukas sword, and Orochimaru was at his most powerful form.

Yes, but by the time Orochimaru appeared from Sasuke, Itachi already had his Susanoo set up and ready to go. If both were to fight without any such occurrences, Itachi forming and using Susanoo would take a small period of time, during which Orochimaru might try to attack Itachi. Still, though, it would be difficult to say who would win; in a battle where both had their full power, I can only say it would be an exhilirating fight.

 

[dexter64]

I have a question that I have been wondering, Hanzo was stronger than Jiraiya, Orochimaru & Tsunade altogether, how did Pain beat Hanzo? Considering how far Jiraiya went up against Pain and could of survived if he escaped, Also taking into that I doubt the 4th Hokage was stronger than Jiraiya, Orochimaru & Tsunade if it was 3 vs 1.
So if the 4th Hokage wasn't strong enough to take them 3 on but Hanzo was & the 4th Hokage is stronger than Pain (Because Naruto isn't at the 4th level yet even with his new powers but Naruto defeated Pain before he even got his new Fox power cloak thing) how was Pain able to defeat Hanzo? and was Hanzo stronger than the 4th Hokage?

The fight between Hanzo and 3 sannins was something that needed more explanations from Kishi. The timeline and the 3 sannins capabilities wasn't match each other. These are what I found out:
1. The 3 sannins were young, it happened before they were famous so yes they have not reach their prime yet.
2. From the drawings in the manga, it shows that Jiraiya learnt from the frogs at even a much younger age.
3. From the drawings of the fight, I assumed that the 3 sannins have not had their summoning contract yet, which was at least in Jiraiya's case that's strange. Nevertheless the 3 sannins manage to force Hanzo to use summoning to beat them.
4. If the 3 sannins have their summoning then, I don't think Hanzo could beat them.

The dead of Yahiko made Pain angry and lost control, and whenever that happened, rinnegan took over and Pain become stronger and gained a new ability. At the time when Yahiko dead, if Hanzo even a split second late, he would be dead, it's not even a fight. From then on, Pain learnt more about his powers and stays in control whenever he uses them. When exactly Pain killed Hanzo was still have not been revealed by Kishi, but from Jiraiya's interrogation we got "it was just recently".

Again, please don't put content and discard context. Yamato thought that Naruto's speed and control has not reached the same level of Minato yet. So Minato is not stronger than the new Naruto, therefor not automaticly stronger than Pain either.

 

[Mystikk]

I was only saying don't jump to conclusions that Itachi would defeat Orochimaru and Minato would defeat Itachi. This might be true, but it could (does not have to) go the other way.

We're both assuming things, so unless it's shown in the manga, there's no clear way to tell who would win. My opinion is the Sannin would win, yours is Minato would win. Who is right?

lols yea i understand lets just dead this debate then hahah its was a good one tho!

all said an done i loved oro character lols how he always seem to come bak was amazing i jus hated that he always had to take anothers body to stay alive ... ugh lol

 

[siyo]

Yea, Orochimaru got his ass handed to him by the 4-tailed fox, his strongest defense jutsu, the three walls, did nothing. The only thing that kept him alive was he kept spitting out new bodies, heck his sword, only trumped by Totsuka's sword, did nothing. I would like to see that Oro take on Naruto now.

We can't assume Jiraiya knew all Minato's techs and how to trump them, space-time is pretty serious, Madara a space-time master in his own right had trouble fighting Minato, albeit he was weakened. And whose to say Minato didn't know SM, plus we don't really know what happens when 2 people have the same summoning contract, Minato could summon Gamabunta from Jman.

U serious?


lol try look objectively at it.Even in his freakin weakened state he held his own against the 4 tailed fox.You saw what happened to Jiraiya right?Still remember the the huge chakra balls from the fox and what did Oro do?The guy was having the time of his life and regretted he couldn`t finish the fight.

At the chunin exams the ice cold kakishi almost passed out after meeting him and the third knew he was the only one who could stop him in the entire village.

Oro was/is one of the greatest characters in naruto.


Edit:
Forgot... we can pretty much assume that jiraiya taught minato almost every thing he knew simply because he was his master and Minato died young.That fact also further proves the points that it isn`t possibly for minato to have learned everything J knew.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

lols yea i understand lets just dead this debate then hahah its was a good one tho!

all said an done i loved oro character lols how he always seem to come bak was amazing i jus hated that he always had to take anothers body to stay alive ... ugh lol

I suppose he was using other people to prolong his own life, but worse things are upon the Naruto world. Thank you for the argument, though, it's enjoyable to debate with another who has a good knowledge of the manga, like you. If any more information about this matter arises in the future, maybe then we'll get a resolution.

 

[Mystikk]

I suppose he was using other people to prolong his own life, but worse things are upon the Naruto world. Thank you for the argument, though, it's enjoyable to debate with another who has a good knowledge of the manga, like you. If any more information about this matter arises in the future, maybe then we'll get a resolution.

yea now that we can talk about some else i wana ask you a question from one naruto fan to another ... jus who is your favorite character in the series?

 

[silenceofthelambs]

yea now that we can talk about some else i wana ask you a question from one naruto fan to another ... jus who is your favorite character in the series?

My favorite character is Madara Uchiha, and after that is Pain. Beyond Pain I enjoy seeing many other characters, though among these many ninja I can't decide who I prefer more. What about you?

 

[yondaimeminato]

There doesn't necessarily have to be an agreement between the Hokage and the Council of Fire in choosing a Hokage. Remember Tobirama Senju, right before leaving to fight the Kinkaku Force (the twenty Kumogakure ninja)? He gave the position to Hiruzen, and I'm fairly certain there were no elders or Fire lords to finalize Tobirama's decision. It can be done by the Hokage himself should the situation call for it.

Hiruzen was simply looking for a successor to the title of Hokage, and while he wanted to choose Orochimaru, selected Minato because he knew Orochimaru would only use the title to further his own ambitions. It wasn't a reward Minato was offered to become Hokage. He was chosen by Hiruzen to succeed, and the rest of the council of Fire went along with the decision.

I don't mean to offend you, but really, you make the Sannin look so weak compared to Minato. He would teleport Orochimaru, defeat him in a couple of minutes, do the same with Tsunade, then go back to finish Jiraiya. You actually think some of the most powerful ninja to live would go down that easily? It amazes me to tell you the truth. But I won't argue. You seem to cling to your opinion quite firmly.

The fire nation lord needs to know who is command of konoha so I am sure they held some kind of communication between them to decide who will be the next hokage. Since the second hokage told sarotobi he would be the next hokage, the fire nation lord and the elders, council didn't doubt the second's hokage wish so sarotobi became the third hokage officially.

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The fire nation lord seems to know minato pretty well. Minato was very well known everywhere. After the third war ended, minato was chosen as the fourth hokage. Don't you think this is more of a reward for the great role he had during the third war?

But this would happened yes? I never say he would defeat him in couple of minutes. Even If minato would take about 10 minutes for each one, he would still defeat them 1 by 1 and this would count as taking the three of them because minato would be using his ability.

I am not saying the three sannin are weak. They are strong but not for the type of fighter minato was.

 

[Mystikk]

My favorite character is Madara Uchiha, and after that is Pain. Beyond Pain I enjoy seeing many other characters, though among these many ninja I can't decide who I prefer more. What about you?

haaaaa dude u love villains just like mee .. its funny how naruto is the strongest an the main character yet he's not our favorite lol.... mine is no other than Itachi Uchiha, after would have to be sasuke EMOtiononal ass.

iaint gone lie i hate madara tho .. pain is awsome .. but madara is pure evil lol. even tho my fav. ninja are uchiha ninja .. madara pisses me off .

 

[silenceofthelambs]

The fire nation lord needs to know who is command of konoha so I am sure they held some kind of communication between them to decide who will be the next hokage. Since the second hokage told sarotobi he would be the next hokage, the fire nation lord and the elders, council didn't doubt the second's hokage wish so sarotobi became the third hokage officially.

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The fire nation lord seems to know minato pretty well. Minato was very well known everywhere. After the third war ended, minato was chosen as the fourth hokage. Don't you think this is more of a reward for the great role he had during the third war?

But this would happened yes? I never say he would defeat him in couple of minutes. Even If minato would take about 10 minutes for each one, he would still defeat them 1 by 1 and this would count as taking the three of them because minato would be using his ability.

I am not saying the three sannin are weak. They are strong but not for the type of fighter minato was.

Under certain circumstances, there don't need to be council members or Fire lords present to appoint a successor. That's what I'm trying to say.

Well, if you think Minato would defeat each of the Sannin in around ten minutes, that's your opinion, so I won't argue it. Either way, neither you nor I have proof of who would win, so it's all based on assumption.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

haaaaa dude u love villains just like mee .. its funny how naruto is the strongest an the main character yet he's not our favorite lol.... mine is no other than Itachi Uchiha, after would have to be sasuke EMOtiononal ass.

iaint gone lie i hate madara tho .. pain is awsome .. but madara is pure evil lol. even tho my fav. ninja are uchiha ninja .. madara pisses me off .

We see Naruto the most in the manga, so I don't think many will have him as a favorite. I do, as you say, like the villains rather than the protagonists because they appeal to me more. Besides, we all know Naruto, Konoha, the five Kages, and everybody else allied to that side is going to defeat Akatsuki in this war, so I suppose the desire to see the villains shine one more time before being crushed has grown.

Even if Madara annoys you, it's fine by me. Naturally, there are going to be some characters in the manga you simply can't stand. For you, Madara might be one of them.

 

[Mystikk]

We see Naruto the most in the manga, so I don't think many will have him as a favorite. I do, as you say, like the villains rather than the protagonists because they appeal to me more. Besides, we all know Naruto, Konoha, the five Kages, and everybody else allied to that side is going to defeat Akatsuki in this war, so I suppose the desire to see the villains shine one more time before being crushed has grown.

Even if Madara annoys you, it's fine by me. Naturally, there are going to be some characters in the manga you simply can't stand. For you, Madara might be one of them.

yea but dont get me wrong he is the strongest shinobi alive in my opinion rite now .. what do u think of kabuto?? think he will be able to do some damage in the war?? Or do u think naruto will b the one to kill him??

 

[Regulus]

U serious?


lol try look objectively at it.Even in his freakin weakened state he held his own against the 4 tailed fox.You saw what happened to Jiraiya right?Still remember the the huge chakra balls from the fox and what did Oro do?The guy was having the time of his life and regretted he couldn`t finish the fight.

At the chunin exams the ice cold kakishi almost passed out after meeting him and the third knew he was the only one who could stop him in the entire village.

Oro was/is one of the greatest characters in naruto.


Edit:
Forgot... we can pretty much assume that jiraiya taught minato almost every thing he knew simply because he was his master and Minato died young.That fact also further proves the points that it isn`t possibly for minato to have learned everything J knew.

What makes you say Oro was weakend, he looked pretty strong to me, I'd like to see how many times Oro can spit out a new body, I doubt its limitless

 

[minatoisagod]

Leaf village is part of Fire Nation. They are like the Military Base of Fire Nation. Winning for the leaf village is the same as winning for the Fire Nation.

I'm agreeing with you dude. U said he helped win the war and i corrected you and saying he won them the war and its not fire nation man this ain't Avatar its the Land of Fire

 

[Regulus]

haaaaa dude u love villains just like mee .. its funny how naruto is the strongest an the main character yet he's not our favorite lol.... mine is no other than Itachi Uchiha, after would have to be sasuke EMOtiononal ass.

iaint gone lie i hate madara tho .. pain is awsome .. but madara is pure evil lol. even tho my fav. ninja are uchiha ninja .. madara pisses me off .

I agree villains are awesome, Itachi is my favorite to then Minato then Naruto.

off topic: have you ever watched death note

 

[Mystikk]

I agree villains are awesome, Itachi is my favorite to then Minato then Naruto.

off topic: have you ever watched death note

yes man i watched the whole series 26 episodes on youtube .. an i loved the whole anime .. i always thought it sucked cuz i kept seein it on cartoon network but it was actually interesting an in the end i ended up loving the whole thing lol

 

[yondaimeminato]

Under certain circumstances, there don't need to be council members or Fire lords present to appoint a successor. That's what I'm trying to say.

Well, if you think Minato would defeat each of the Sannin in around ten minutes, that's your opinion, so I won't argue it. Either way, neither you nor I have proof of who would win, so it's all based on assumption.

this is what I have been trying to say. Just like we had the discussion before about whether minato defeated madara or not. The discussion was only ended once we saw them fight. Since we are not going to see the battle of the fourth vs three sannin, we can't say who is going to be victor. The discussion would be endless and pointless just like Mystik**** said.

I respect your assumption but I have the choice not to agree with it just like you have the choice not to agree with mine.

 

[yondaimeminato]

I'm agreeing with you dude. U said he helped win the war and i corrected you and saying he won them the war and its not fire nation man this ain't Avatar its the Land of Fire

Oops, you are right. it shouldn't be fire nation but land of fire but you get what I mean. Since I have also seen avatar, I tend to do that because it's easier to remember and write (for me).

 

[Mystikk]

this is what I have been trying to say. Just like we had the discussion before about whether minato defeated madara or not. The discussion was only ended once we saw them fight. Since we are not going to see the battle of the fourth vs three sannin, we can't say who is going to be victor. The discussion would be endless and pointless just like Mystik**** said.

I respect your assumption but I have the choice not to agree with it just like you have the choice not to agree with mine.

you guys are crazy lol yondaime is it safe to say your favorite character in the manga is minato the 4th hokage???