[Predictions] Naruto Manga 505 Discussion and 506 Predictions

[silenceofthelambs]

Heres my take on this, I feel Minato is more then smart enough to deal with Tsunade first, you can't heal yourself if your'e to injured, sure Tsunade is strong but her spped isn't that great he sticks a seal on her and she's done for IMO. Then its down to 2 v 1 just knowing Minato's techs doesn't mean he will be able to counter them, summons mean nothing to a contract seal, Minato would be able to remove any seal placed on him pretty fast, 5 elements seal wouldn't do much but sslow him down for a minute IF he got hit by it he would probaly see it coming. The best strategy I could see is if Minato knew the five element seal, he could place a FTG seal on Oro/Jman and get them with it which takes down another. Jman vs Minato, no summons. Minato would be pretty tired by nowbut 1 on 1 he would just have to last long enough to get a clean hit on Jman with rasengan, but thats just my opinion, it would be tough but I feel he could do it

As I have stated, in order for Minato's Contract Seal to be put into play, he first has to put the Flying Thunder God marking on each of the Sannin, then proceed to use the Contract Seal, like he did with Madara. The fight would be much more difficult for Minato than many seem to think, because defeating even one Sannin is a major accomplishment. How is it that when the Sannin, reunited, fought together, they were basically on equal footing with each other, even Orochimaru who could not use his arms? Now, imagine all three fighting together against one opponent, Minato. While Minato might win, which I consider doubtful, it would be a long, drawn-out battle, to say the least. He would not be able to win using the Flying Thunder God technique alone; he is going to have to use every jutsu he knows to even have a shot at victory.

 

[OopsWrongHole]

As I have stated, in order for Minato's Contract Seal to be put into play, he first has to put the Flying Thunder God marking on each of the Sannin, then proceed to use the Contract Seal, like he did with Madara. The fight would be much more difficult for Minato than many seem to think, because defeating even one Sannin is a major accomplishment. How is it that when the Sannin, reunited, fought together, they were basically on equal footing with each other, even Orochimaru who could not use his arms? Now, imagine all three fighting together against one opponent, Minato. While Minato might win, which I consider doubtful, it would be a long, drawn-out battle, to say the least. He would not be able to win using the Flying Thunder God technique alone; he is going to have to use every jutsu he knows to even have a shot at victory.

Thanks for giving me your opinion on it all Though I am shocked no one has had a fit yet saying your "Anti-Minato" but at the same time glad it hasn't stopped you putting your opinions and theories!

 

[Mystikk]

Orochimaru tried taking Itachi's body, that was why he was defeated. The Living Corpse Reincarnation is highly vulnerable to the Sharingan's power, and that's why the things that occurred did, in that way. If they had both fought without Orochimaru's intention of making Itachi his new container, then things might have gone differently.

Also, it has never been stated that Itachi was weaker than Minato. That's an assumption, and you don't have any proof to support it. You're saying that Minato would put a Contract Seal on all the Sannin so they would not be able to call upon their respective creatures - first of all, Minato would have to put a Flying Thunder God marking on each of them so he could approach them and then put the Contract Seal on them - go back to Minato and Madara's fight, and you'll see what I mean. That takes work; it's not something Minato could do instantaneously. The only reason he managed to do this with Madara was because he struck him with a Rasengan using the second level of the Flying Thunder God technique, which gave him the time needed to put the Flying Thunder God marking, then proceed to stab Madara and put the Contract Seal on him.

You're underestimating the Sannin's strength. They are not as weak as you make them out to be that they would be defeated by Minato. Also, the only reason Sasuke won against Orochimaru was because he told his team Snake that Orochimaru was already weakened, and that was all there is to it. I would recommend you check the manga first before writing that Sasuke would defeat Orochimaru.

And if you haven't noticed, the Sannin would not fight by themselves. They would work as a team and strategize, defending each other from harm in case Minato attacks. It's like Nagato's six Pain corpses, though on a lesser level. At best, if Minato won, he'd be heavily injured; the Sannin would not go down that easily.

oro couldnt beat itachi even without trying to take his body .. itachi had sharingan .. doesnt matter if oro was trying to take his body or not if he was stronger he could of beat itachi dwn until he was weak an dragged him bak to his hideout but he couldnt why??? because itachi was stronger.

it doesn't say itachi was stronger in the manga but common dude .. the 4th is fighting madara EMS user .. itachi only had MS .. the 4th wouldve beat itachi in my opinion .. even tho i love itachi lol.

sasuke beat oro because he sucked..... yea oro was weak but thats because he was switching bodies on his own will!! sasuke didnt tell him to try an take his body .. um tired of everybody putin sasuke dwn because he beat oro when oro was weak... its not like sasuke said oro get weak so i can kill you!! lol oro knew he would b weak trying to take sasuke's body an that's oro fault not sasuke.. a loss is a loss even if your weak due to your own illness.

Example : kimmimaroo nobody says anything when garra beats kimmimaro an he was weak !!! but ooo sasuke sucks because he beat oro while he was weak lol. they were all weak because of their own self so dont use bein weak as an excuse to lose lol.

an like i said about the sannin if hanzo could take ALL 3 on by hiself ... then why cant the 4th??? you hold the sannin too high in the ninja world .. they aren't the best 3 shinobi in the manga lol.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

oro couldnt beat itachi even without trying to take his body .. itachi had sharingan .. doesnt matter if oro was trying to take his body or not if he was stronger he could of beat itachi dwn until he was weak an dragged him bak to his hideout but he couldnt why??? because itachi was stronger.

it doesn't say itachi was stronger in the manga but common dude .. the 4th is fighting madara EMS user .. itachi only had MS .. the 4th wouldve beat itachi in my opinion .. even tho i love itachi lol.

sasuke beat oro because he sucked..... yea oro was weak but thats because he was switching bodies on his own will!! sasuke didnt tell him to try an take his body .. um tired of everybody putin sasuke dwn because he beat oro when oro was weak... its not like sasuke said oro get weak so i can kill you!! lol oro knew he would b weak trying to take sasuke's body an that's oro fault not sasuke.. a loss is a loss even if your weak due to your own illness.

Example : kimmimaroo nobody says anything when garra beats kimmimaro an he was weak !!! but ooo sasuke sucks because he beat oro while he was weak lol. they were all weak because of their own self so dont use bein weak as an excuse to lose lol.

an like i said about the sannin if hanzo could take ALL 3 on by hiself ... then why cant the 4th??? you hold the sannin too high in the ninja world .. they aren't the best 3 shinobi in the manga lol.

I'll say it again: Orochimaru was trying to take Itachi's body - and just like Sasuke did, Itachi used his Sharingan to destroy the transfer process, thus thwarting Orochimaru's plans. And Itachi would not be able to defeat Orochimaru just because he had the Sharingan; Itachi might have been more stronger than Orochimaru, but it's not all because of the Sharingan.

And even if Itachi had his Sharingan, what difference would it make? Hashirama Senju beat Madara Uchiha at the Valley of the End, who had an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the Nine-Tailed Fox by his side. Madara had the Sharingan; how did he lose? He was overpowered.

Also, Minato fought a weakened Madara (the one that is a "mere shell of [his] former self"), so Minato's victory against Madara is not exactly complete if you ask me. Madara never used his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan against Minato when they fought; however, if Madara were to fight Minato again with his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the ability to summon the Nine-Tailed Fox, Minato would be killed. Why so? Because unlike Hashirama, Minato has no way to suppress the Nine-Tailed Fox (except the Contract Seal, which only takes away the summoner's control of the creature), and even his speed would prove futile against such overwhelming power.

Now, although Minato did win, which I give him credit for (whether Madara was weakened or not), if he were to fight someone like Itachi, who can actually utilize their eye powers, then you might say the results would be drastically different.

Hanzo managed to defeat the Sannin because they were not at their prime yet; they were young, and were deployed on the battlefield to kill as many enemy ninja as possible. They were not expecting to fight someone like Hanzo, but as chance would have it, they crossed paths. If the Sannin were given the oppurtunity to fight Hanzo in their primes, I think we might see a reversal of victor and loser.

Minato was in his prime by the time he died, but you cannot say that of the Sannin, especially when one is still alive. If Minato were the same age as the Sannin, and they all fought, there would be a difference. His speed would not be the same as it was when he was younger, thus putting him at a disadvantage. If the Sannin and Minato fought at the peak of their power, how do you think things would go then?

You tell me I hold the Sannin too high in the ninja world; I can say the same to you about Minato. Why do you regard him as so powerful a ninja, especially if he were to be fighting three ninja that are on equal or greater footing than him?

 

[yondaimeminato]

You'd be surprised. How is it that, upon fighting Pain, Jiraiya clearly remembers his students from all those years back, and what each is capable of? He might put on a front of disinterest towards his students, but he cares for each and the potential hidden within them.

I am pretty damn sure that J-man didn't know about Nagato's potential with the rinnegan.

1) Summoning Power

2) Gravity Power

3) Vision shared

4) Ability to control bodies

5) Absorbing jutsus

I can go on and on about the abilities J-man didn't know about nagato, konan and yahiko because he didn't spend a lot with them. He just left them with the basics of their powers.

 

[Regulus]

As I have stated, in order for Minato's Contract Seal to be put into play, he first has to put the Flying Thunder God marking on each of the Sannin, then proceed to use the Contract Seal, like he did with Madara. The fight would be much more difficult for Minato than many seem to think, because defeating even one Sannin is a major accomplishment. How is it that when the Sannin, reunited, fought together, they were basically on equal footing with each other, even Orochimaru who could not use his arms? Now, imagine all three fighting together against one opponent, Minato. While Minato might win, which I consider doubtful, it would be a long, drawn-out battle, to say the least. He would not be able to win using the Flying Thunder God technique alone; he is going to have to use every jutsu he knows to even have a shot at victory.

I agree it wouldn't be easy, but they wouldnt summon anything unless the situation mandated it, I also doubt that the Minato we saw fight Madara was powerful I do no thin he was in his prime, for instance he hadn't even completed the rasengan yet, which if he would have I think the Sannin wouldn't have it that easy either, considering most jounin have 2 elements we haven't seen minato use any, so theres no tellling what they might be. We also don't know if minato knew SM, if he did that would be a deadly combination with FTG considering he doesn't need to land a punch just get close. All in all I say Minato wins by a hair

 

[minatoisagod]

yo i love the 4th and all he is my fave character but against all three sannin at their full power is just crazy he will lose but he would wound all 3 badly though. If its one on one then minato kicks ass their are few shinobi who can take on all three at their strongest one being pain and that will also be difficult for him.

 

[siyo]

like the new design for the forum....

Alot of people here goes to assumptions because A beats B and at the same time forgets person A loses to C who lost to B.


A couple of points...


Just because Minato won over Madare(for the time being) you can`t say he could beat every sharingan user.Every sharingan user have a different ability.For example Madara who does not have Susano like itachi had.Do we have proof Minato could teleport inside the giant shield? No


Oro was a genius and fact is that if he wasn`t evil he would have been hokage instead of Minato.His downfall was he was fanatic about obtaining the sharingan and the problem with that was that it was his ultimate weakness.Plus he was greedy like with sasuke, he waited till he was almost dead before trying the transformation.Anything else couldn t harm him and we saw how he handled the 4 tailed fox...


Minato and jiraiya were goofy characters but when it counted they were exellent teachers....


The sannin would defeat Minato.Anything else would be crazy since we are talking about three upper s class/hokage level ninjas who each skills compliments each other.Jiraiya taught Minato almost everything he knew, but jiraiya did not teach everything he knew.Finally They didn`t go all in against hanzo since e.g. J didn`t use sage mode.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

I am pretty damn sure that J-man didn't know about Nagato's potential with the rinnegan.

1) Summoning Power

2) Gravity Power

3) Vision shared

4) Ability to control bodies

5) Absorbing jutsus

I can go on and on about the abilities J-man didn't know about nagato, konan and yahiko because he didn't spend a lot with them. He just left them with the basics of their powers.

Jiraiya stayed three years with Nagato, Yahiko, and Konan. Nagato developed all these skills you're talking about after Jiraiya left them, but I'm sure he knew what powers they had when they were kids. He taught them techniques so they would be able to defend themselves in a land where people you thought were friends can turn into enemies in an instant. Besides, how long did you expect Jiraiya to stay with them? Eventually he was going to have to leave them.

 

[yondaimeminato]

Sarutobi chose Minato to be his successor, because although he wanted Orochimaru to be the Fourth, he knew that he would only use the title for his own personal gain. It had nothing to do with who was more powerful.

First of all, don't forget that the Sannin each have their own summon. That means Gamabunta (though I don't know who between Jiraiya or Minato would summon him first), Katsuyu and Manda against something else that would Minato would summon. Orochimaru has the Five Elements Seal, meaning if he struck Minato with it, Minato's chakra flow would be heavily irregular, thus preventing him from normally using his power. That's one threat; next is Tsunade's monstrous strength and her amazing healing ability - if Minato struck her with a Rasengan, I'm assuming she would recover, though probably be injured some in the process.

And now, moving on to Jiraiya - he is the one who knows Minato the best out of the three of them. He knows how to use Rasengan, Minato's own jutsu, and has knowledge about the other techniques that Minato shown during training or at some other point in time. Also, he has a vast arsenal of techniques, and although Minato is the fastest, avoiding all the attacks of Tsunade, Jiraiya, and Orochimaru - that's just a little difficult, even for Minato, in my opinion.

what are you trying to prove him wrong here?. To choose a hokage there has to be agreement between the elders, hokage, Fire Nation Lord and his nobles. Plus, I don't see anywhere where it says the third hokage chose Minato as his successor. Minato was a big impact during the third war. Minato was feared by commanders of nation. Minato was the one to end the third war as well. He was of big help in the third war and I am sure even the Lord of the Fire Nation notice him as well as the other elders. As a reward for the job he did for the Fire Nation and not just konoha he was rewarded with the option to become hokage. This is how I see it.

He would teleported Orochimaru to another place and defeat him without J-man or tsunade knowing where minato went with oro. Then he would come back and take Tsunade and defeat her. After that he would take J-man and use all his remaining strength and abilities to defeat him.

How would he accomplish this you may ask. When minato took to the nine tail demon fox to another place, he didn't even need to touch the nine tail demon fox. This means that he wouldn't even need to get close to oro or the other three to teleport them and there wouldn't be a way to prevent it. I don't see how. I think minato chooses with his mind his target to teleport which is somewhat like amaterasu but only faster.

 

[Mystikk]

I'll say it again: Orochimaru was trying to take Itachi's body - and just like Sasuke did, Itachi used his Sharingan to destroy the transfer process, thus thwarting Orochimaru's plans. And Itachi would not be able to defeat Orochimaru just because he had the Sharingan; Itachi might have been more stronger than Orochimaru, but it's not all because of the Sharingan.

And even if Itachi had his Sharingan, what difference would it make? Hashirama Senju beat Madara Uchiha at the Valley of the End, who had an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the Nine-Tailed Fox by his side. Madara had the Sharingan; how did he lose? He was overpowered.

Also, Minato fought a weakened Madara (the one that is a "mere shell of [his] former self"), so Minato's victory against Madara is not exactly complete if you ask me. Madara never used his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan against Minato when they fought; however, if Madara were to fight Minato again with his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the ability to summon the Nine-Tailed Fox, Minato would be killed. Why so? Because unlike Hashirama, Minato has no way to suppress the Nine-Tailed Fox (except the Contract Seal, which only takes away the summoner's control of the creature), and even his speed would prove futile against such overwhelming power.

Now, although Minato did win, which I give him credit for (whether Madara was weakened or not), if he were to fight someone like Itachi, who can actually utilize their eye powers, then you might say the results would be drastically different.

Hanzo managed to defeat the Sannin because they were not at their prime yet; they were young, and were deployed on the battlefield to kill as many enemy ninja as possible. They were not expecting to fight someone like Hanzo, but as chance would have it, they crossed paths. If the Sannin were given the oppurtunity to fight Hanzo in their primes, I think we might see a reversal of victor and loser.

Minato was in his prime by the time he died, but you cannot say that of the Sannin, especially when one is still alive. If Minato were the same age as the Sannin, and they all fought, there would be a difference. His speed would not be the same as it was when he was younger, thus putting him at a disadvantage. If the Sannin and Minato fought at the peak of their power, how do you think things would go then?

You tell me I hold the Sannin too high in the ninja world; I can say the same to you about Minato. Why do you regard him as so powerful a ninja, especially if he were to be fighting three ninja that are on equal or greater footing than him?

me an u prolly gone be bestfriends lol because we think tottaly diff... your sayin oro could beat itachi??? but then your saying itachi could beat the 4th?? so basically oro is better than both??? If the 4th lived as long as the sannin did they still wouldnt win .. !!!! the 4th at his prime was better than the 3 sannin at there prime!!!! meaning if he lived as long as they did he would still b better than all 3! u cant say ooo the 3 sanin wasnt at there prime when they fought hanzo.. an then say they could beat the 4th in his prime .. if it took them there whole life to get to there prime.. u basically tryna tell me that minato would lose if he fought all three now.. 16years after he died.. which is stupid because even yu know if he lived the 3 sannin would lose.

an speed wouldnt matter if he was old because he wouldve developed somthing else better than FTG dude so this debate is pointless.

oo onemore thing dont compare harishrama senju to orochimaru .. thats jus stupid .. orochimaru was a ninjutsu jonkey .. 1st hokage was a beast in ninjutsu and could controll tailed beast .. the only thing your lil precious oro managed to do was survive.. an live weak off of other peoples bodies. oro in my opion could never beat a sharingan user.. or a senju .. he's nothing but ninjutsu.

4th vs 3 sanin could go either way, but im glad u givin me your opinion anyhow lol.

itachi vs oro .. oro would lose dude ... dnt make my fav. character look weak.. by sayin if oro wasnt tryna take his body he would win lol... itachi was feared by many not jus oro lol think of deidara .. an even madara oro was nothing more than a snake in the grasss.... compared to itachi who was a crow in the sky!!!!!!!

 

[silenceofthelambs]

I agree it wouldn't be easy, but they wouldnt summon anything unless the situation mandated it, I also doubt that the Minato we saw fight Madara was powerful I do no thin he was in his prime, for instance he hadn't even completed the rasengan yet, which if he would have I think the Sannin wouldn't have it that easy either, considering most jounin have 2 elements we haven't seen minato use any, so theres no tellling what they might be. We also don't know if minato knew SM, if he did that would be a deadly combination with FTG considering he doesn't need to land a punch just get close. All in all I say Minato wins by a hair

True, but Minato never was a Sage. It is not hinted or implied anywhere in the manga that he knew Sage Mode, like Naruto and Jiraiya. He might not have been at the peak of his power upon his death, but he was close in my opinion. He would have been able to complete the Rasengan after a a year or two years. Then, perhaps, he would be at the point in his life where he was most powerful. Even then it would be a subject of question whether he would be able to defeat three experienced Sannin.

 

[minatoisagod]

I'll say it again: Orochimaru was trying to take Itachi's body - and just like Sasuke did, Itachi used his Sharingan to destroy the transfer process, thus thwarting Orochimaru's plans. And Itachi would not be able to defeat Orochimaru just because he had the Sharingan; Itachi might have been more stronger than Orochimaru, but it's not all because of the Sharingan.

And even if Itachi had his Sharingan, what difference would it make? Hashirama Senju beat Madara Uchiha at the Valley of the End, who had an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the Nine-Tailed Fox by his side. Madara had the Sharingan; how did he lose? He was overpowered.

Also, Minato fought a weakened Madara (the one that is a "mere shell of [his] former self"), so Minato's victory against Madara is not exactly complete if you ask me. Madara never used his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan against Minato when they fought; however, if Madara were to fight Minato again with his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the ability to summon the Nine-Tailed Fox, Minato would be killed. Why so? Because unlike Hashirama, Minato has no way to suppress the Nine-Tailed Fox (except the Contract Seal, which only takes away the summoner's control of the creature), and even his speed would prove futile against such overwhelming power.

Now, although Minato did win, which I give him credit for (whether Madara was weakened or not), if he were to fight someone like Itachi, who can actually utilize their eye powers, then you might say the results would be drastically different.

Hanzo managed to defeat the Sannin because they were not at their prime yet; they were young, and were deployed on the battlefield to kill as many enemy ninja as possible. They were not expecting to fight someone like Hanzo, but as chance would have it, they crossed paths. If the Sannin were given the oppurtunity to fight Hanzo in their primes, I think we might see a reversal of victor and loser.

Minato was in his prime by the time he died, but you cannot say that of the Sannin, especially when one is still alive. If Minato were the same age as the Sannin, and they all fought, there would be a difference. His speed would not be the same as it was when he was younger, thus putting him at a disadvantage. If the Sannin and Minato fought at the peak of their power, how do you think things would go then?

You tell me I hold the Sannin too high in the ninja world; I can say the same to you about Minato. Why do you regard him as so powerful a ninja, especially if he were to be fighting three ninja that are on equal or greater footing than him?

i agree with everything you say hear except Minato being in his Prime I think he could have gone further than that i mean at that time he was on Sarutobi prime level and he was in his 20's he would have been more of a monster in his 30's. Its weird that since the flash back every discussion s about minato lol.
I think he probably would have retreated or just taken on Madara by himself and with him and the fox

 

[minatoisagod]

what are you trying to prove him wrong here?. To choose a hokage there has to be agreement between the elders, hokage, Fire Nation Lord and his nobles. Plus, I don't see anywhere where it says the third hokage chose Minato as his successor. Minato was a big impact during the third war. Minato was feared by commanders of nation. Minato was the one to end the third war as well. He was of big help in the third war and I am sure even the Lord of the Fire Nation notice him as well as the other elders. As a reward for the job he did for the Fire Nation and not just konoha he was rewarded with the option to become hokage. This is how I see it.

He would teleported Orochimaru to another place and defeat him without J-man or tsunade knowing where minato went with oro. Then he would come back and take Tsunade and defeat her. After that he would take J-man and use all his remaining strength and abilities to defeat him.

How would he accomplish this you may ask. When minato took to the nine tail demon fox to another place, he didn't even need to touch the nine tail demon fox. This means that he wouldn't even need to get close to oro or the other three to teleport them and there wouldn't be a way to prevent it. I don't see how. I think minato chooses with his mind his target to teleport which is somewhat like amaterasu but only faster.

You are wrong sir Minato won the war for the leaf village

 

[yondaimeminato]

Jiraiya stayed three years with Nagato, Yahiko, and Konan. Nagato developed all these skills you're talking about after Jiraiya left them, but I'm sure he knew what powers they had when they were kids. He taught them techniques so they would be able to defend themselves in a land where people you thought were friends can turn into enemies in an instant. Besides, how long did you expect Jiraiya to stay with them? Eventually he was going to have to leave them.

Exactly, J-Man wasn't exactly the man to stay in one place for a long time. He was traveling always.

He even died in another nation lol.

you said it. "when they were kids". You know that J-man was always going out. Even Tsunade complains to him for not staying in konoha. This is why J-man did not know Minato's full abilities as you think he did.

 

[Regulus]

like the new design for the forum....

Alot of people here goes to assumptions because A beats B and at the same time forgets person A loses to C who lost to B.


A couple of points...


Just because Minato won over Madare(for the time being) you can`t say he could beat every sharingan user.Every sharingan user have a different ability.For example Madara who does not have Susano like itachi had.Do we have proof Minato could teleport inside the giant shield? No


Oro was a genius and fact is that if he wasn`t evil he would have been hokage instead of Minato.His downfall was he was fanatic about obtaining the sharingan and the problem with that was that it was his ultimate weakness.Plus he was greedy like with sasuke, he waited till he was almost dead before trying the transformation.Anything else couldn t harm him and we saw how he handled the 4 tailed fox...


Minato and jiraiya were goofy characters but when it counted they were exellent teachers....


The sannin would defeat Minato.Anything else would be crazy since we are talking about three upper s class/hokage level ninjas who each skills compliments each other.Jiraiya taught Minato almost everything he knew, but jiraiya did not teach everything he knew.Finally They didn`t go all in against hanzo since e.g. J didn`t use sage mode.

Yea, Orochimaru got his ass handed to him by the 4-tailed fox, his strongest defense jutsu, the three walls, did nothing. The only thing that kept him alive was he kept spitting out new bodies, heck his sword, only trumped by Totsuka's sword, did nothing. I would like to see that Oro take on Naruto now.

We can't assume Jiraiya knew all Minato's techs and how to trump them, space-time is pretty serious, Madara a space-time master in his own right had trouble fighting Minato, albeit he was weakened. And whose to say Minato didn't know SM, plus we don't really know what happens when 2 people have the same summoning contract, Minato could summon Gamabunta from Jman.

 

[yondaimeminato]

You are wrong sir Minato won the war for the leaf village

Leaf village is part of Fire Nation. They are like the Military Base of Fire Nation. Winning for the leaf village is the same as winning for the Fire Nation.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

me an u prolly gone be bestfriends lol because we think tottaly diff... your sayin oro could beat itachi??? but then your saying itachi could beat the 4th?? so basically oro is better than both??? If the 4th lived as long as the sannin did they still wouldnt win .. !!!! the 4th at his prime was better than the 3 sannin at there prime!!!! meaning if he lived as long as they did he would still b better than all 3! u cant say ooo the 3 sanin wasnt at there prime when they fought hanzo.. an then say they could beat the 4th in his prime .. if it took them there whole life to get to there prime.. u basically tryna tell me that minato would lose if he fought all three now.. 16years after he died.. which is stupid because even yu know if he lived the 3 sannin would lose.

an speed wouldnt matter if he was old because he wouldve developed somthing else better than FTG dude so this debate is pointless.

oo onemore thing dont compare harishrama senju to orochimaru .. thats jus stupid .. orochimaru was a ninjutsu jonkey .. 1st hokage was a beast in ninjutsu and could controll tailed beast .. the only thing your lil precious oro managed to do was survive.. an live weak off of other peoples bodies. oro in my opion could never beat a sharingan user.. or a senju .. he's nothing but ninjutsu.

4th vs 3 sanin could go either way, but im glad u givin me your opinion anyhow lol.

itachi vs oro .. oro would lose dude ... dnt make my fav. character look weak.. by sayin if oro wasnt tryna take his body he would win lol... itachi was feared by many not jus oro lol think of deidara .. an even madara oro was nothing more than a snake in the grasss.... compared to itachi who was a crow in the sky!!!!!!!

I was only saying don't jump to conclusions that Itachi would defeat Orochimaru and Minato would defeat Itachi. This might be true, but it could (does not have to) go the other way.

We're both assuming things, so unless it's shown in the manga, there's no clear way to tell who would win. My opinion is the Sannin would win, yours is Minato would win. Who is right?

 

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like the new design for the forum....

Alot of people here goes to assumptions because A beats B and at the same time forgets person A loses to C who lost to B.


A couple of points...


Just because Minato won over Madare(for the time being) you can`t say he could beat every sharingan user.Every sharingan user have a different ability.For example Madara who does not have Susano like itachi had.Do we have proof Minato could teleport inside the giant shield? No


Oro was a genius and fact is that if he wasn`t evil he would have been hokage instead of Minato.His downfall was he was fanatic about obtaining the sharingan and the problem with that was that it was his ultimate weakness.Plus he was greedy like with sasuke, he waited till he was almost dead before trying the transformation.Anything else couldn t harm him and we saw how he handled the 4 tailed fox...


Minato and jiraiya were goofy characters but when it counted they were exellent teachers....


The sannin would defeat Minato.Anything else would be crazy since we are talking about three upper s class/hokage level ninjas who each skills compliments each other.Jiraiya taught Minato almost everything he knew, but jiraiya did not teach everything he knew.Finally They didn`t go all in against hanzo since e.g. J didn`t use sage mode.

That's what I've been trying to say. Thank you - I don't know, perhaps I'm not explaining well enough, but in any case, I agree with everything written here.

 

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me an u prolly gone be bestfriends lol because we think tottaly diff... your sayin oro could beat itachi??? but then your saying itachi could beat the 4th?? so basically oro is better than both??? If the 4th lived as long as the sannin did they still wouldnt win .. !!!! the 4th at his prime was better than the 3 sannin at there prime!!!! meaning if he lived as long as they did he would still b better than all 3! u cant say ooo the 3 sanin wasnt at there prime when they fought hanzo.. an then say they could beat the 4th in his prime .. if it took them there whole life to get to there prime.. u basically tryna tell me that minato would lose if he fought all three now.. 16years after he died.. which is stupid because even yu know if he lived the 3 sannin would lose.

an speed wouldnt matter if he was old because he wouldve developed somthing else better than FTG dude so this debate is pointless.

oo onemore thing dont compare harishrama senju to orochimaru .. thats jus stupid .. orochimaru was a ninjutsu jonkey .. 1st hokage was a beast in ninjutsu and could controll tailed beast .. the only thing your lil precious oro managed to do was survive.. an live weak off of other peoples bodies. oro in my opion could never beat a sharingan user.. or a senju .. he's nothing but ninjutsu.

4th vs 3 sanin could go either way, but im glad u givin me your opinion anyhow lol.

itachi vs oro .. oro would lose dude ... dnt make my fav. character look weak.. by sayin if oro wasnt tryna take his body he would win lol... itachi was feared by many not jus oro lol think of deidara .. an even madara oro was nothing more than a snake in the grasss.... compared to itachi who was a crow in the sky!!!!!!!

If I remember right Itachi beat Oro in 1 hit with Totsukas sword, and Orochimaru was at his most powerful form.