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Why would Madara control the 3rd Mizukage Kisame even called him Mizukage does that mean just like Oro deceived the sands Madara also did this to the mist village but without getting caught. But what will Madara gain from his. I don't know why but I got a gut feeling that someone is really pulling the strings behind the shadows may be I am wrong but there's just too many mysteries surrounding Madara.
 

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hmmm....since there may be a link between kushina and madara..... I think there is a possiblilty that the guy that kabuto summoned that shocked madara was from the Uzumaki clan....
 

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do you think the person in the cuffon was kushina?

I really do think that it was either madara's brother or someone who we haven't seen yet. I seriously do hope with all my heart that it isn't kushina, jiraya, minato or any other character that we liked. That would s*ck deeply....
 

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Why would Madara control the 3rd Mizukage Kisame even called him Mizukage does that mean just like Oro deceived the sands Madara also did this to the mist village but without getting caught. But what will Madara gain from his. I don't know why but I got a gut feeling that someone is really pulling the strings behind the shadows may be I am wrong but there's just too many mysteries surrounding Madara.
maybe that is why some of the 7 swordsmen planned a coup d'etat...maybe when the 7 swordsmen found out the 3rd was being controlled.... some swordsmen swore allegiance to Madara like kisame and the rest fought back like zabusa.... remember when it was the 3rd mizukage's time they where called the bloodmist village...maybe it was madara's works...
 

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do you think the person in the cuffon was kushina?

I really do think that it was either madara's brother or someone who we haven't seen yet. I seriously do hope with all my heart that it isn't kushina, jiraya, minato or any other character that we liked. That would s*ck deeply....
there is a possibility that he/she is from the the Uzumaki clan.... but i guess Sasuke will kill Kabuto... the same way naruto will kill Kisame...
 

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Jiraiya was the first person to investigate and come to the conclusion that the Kyuubi incident was not an accident and the one who summoned it was Uchiha Madara. He told it to Kakashi but Kakashi just couldn't believe it. So I think Jiraiya knew a lot than we expect him to know. He was the first person to tell Naruto about "that jutsu" so that means either Minato and he knew about it or Minato wrote something about it. None the less the next chapter is going to be one of the most important chapters in the series so far.
THAT jutsu is not the sealing technique, or whatever. It's something that he practiced with jiraiya. Can you practice sealing your own kyubi? That's worse than playing with fire. And it's not even sure that he even sealed anything. That happened suddenly, he was not aware of it, and then he closed the seal, as he expected. He wouldn't have looked that amazed by his new seal if he had known about it.

THAT jutsu is a forbidden technique that jiraiya wanted him to learn, but he had little control over the kyubi to do it safely. It can be anything that makes sense to be done more than once (not a self-sealing technique). It could even be a rasengan using the kyubi's chakra, but hopes are up for a more original jutsu. And it should be more powerful than frs, or else the toads wouldn't be thinking so highly of it.
Yeah, i guess you both are right... come to think of it, naruto before couldn't handle anything more than a rasengan, only after he increased his chakra capacity, then, he tried something different with it.... it could also be a forbidden technique coz JMan was so sure if naruto use up more than he can handle the fox will take over naruto, coz naruto's been keeping his chakra balance for the fox... Remember the time JMan got hurt so bad when they were in training? Dang, i dont want to believe that "that jutsu" has something to do with the rasengan... grrr...

but i stand by my word, that "that jutsu" has something to do with sealing or whatever... coz u see, imho, i do believe, JMan purposely, but slowly, released the fox thru naruto, doing it a TAIL at a time, to check how much naruto can handle, for then to safely practice the re-sealing of the fox... so when, the time came when naruto was overcame by the fox (3rd tail, i guess) JMan got hurt in the process of stopping the fox on its trail... Remember, JMan said, the seal has been slowly degrading(?), that prolly coz JMan did something with it when they were still training. And so when JMan was sure he cant successfully fininsh the last task he underwent, he made sure naruto will have the key to opening and closing the seal, so that naruto will be able to acquire the seal that the SO6P included with the assimilation of the chakra of each and every bijuu... read below for the reason i believe my theory to be so...

Madara states --> "In order to protect the world from the jubi, the Rikudo Sage developed a new jutsu... the jutsu is still in use today as the host seal system... Yes, the rikudo sage"

and even another manga translation
Madara states --> "the rikudo sennin developed a certain ninjutsu in order to protect the world from the juubi... even now that jutsu is being quietly passed down... the seal that creates a jinchuuriki. yes... the rikudou sennin...."
 
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All pain had to do was his "almight push" jutsu to destroy konoho, i want to know how madara takes down villages w/o even getting caught, granted, naruto could now destroy a village but, EMS must grant the user many abilities, not just one
 

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hmmm....since there may be a link between kushina and madara..... I think there is a possiblilty that the guy that kabuto summoned that shocked madara was from the Uzumaki clan....
Come to think of it it really could be Kushina Madara somehow took the fox outta Kushina and Kabuto learned about it from Oro. But really Kabuto said "I haven't told a soul" so I think it doesn't have to do anything with Kushina it must be something of Madara's past or even his identity
 
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Yeah, i guess you both are right... come to think of it, naruto before couldn't handle anything more than a rasengan, only after he increased his chakra capacity, then, he tried something different with it.... it could also be a forbidden technique coz JMan was so sure if naruto use up more than he can handle the fox will take over naruto, coz naruto's been keeping his chakra balance for the fox... Remember the time JMan got hurt so bad when they were in training? Dang, i dont want to believe that "that jutsu" has something to do with the rasengan... grrr...

but i stand by my word, that "that jutsu" has something to do with sealing or whatever... coz u see, imho, i do believe, JMan purposely, but slowly, released the fox thru naruto, doing it a TAIL at a time, to check how much naruto can handle, for then to safely practice the re-sealing of the fox... so when, the time came when naruto was overcame by the fox (3rd tail, i guess) JMan got hurt in the process of stopping the fox on its trail... Remember, JMan said, the seal has been slowly degrading(?), that prolly coz JMan did something with it when they were still training. And so when JMan was sure he cant successfully fininsh the last task he underwent, he made sure naruto will have the key to opening and closing the seal, so that naruto will be able to acquire the seal that the SO6P included with the assimilation of the chakra of each and every bijuu... read below for the reason i believe my theory to be so...
Can u please help me understand how can Naruto acquire the chakra of all the biiju I know Naruto has now full control of the Kyuubi's chakra but I didn't understand this. And ya Jman always knew about this stuff so he was training Naruto to control the Kyuubi he even made sure Naruto will get the key for sealing and unsealing. I thing Kushina's conversation with Naruto might shed something about this as well.
 

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All pain had to do was his "almight push" jutsu to destroy konoho, i want to know how madara takes down villages w/o even getting caught, granted, naruto could now destroy a village but, EMS must grant the user many abilities, not just one
my bet is using the bijuus and the jubiis power... madara can have all the power in the world. and NO, EMS, i think cant grant abilities...


Can u please help me understand how can Naruto acquire the chakra of all the biiju I know Naruto has now full control of the Kyuubi's chakra but I didn't understand this. And ya Jman always knew about this stuff so he was training Naruto to control the Kyuubi he even made sure Naruto will get the key for sealing and unsealing. I thing Kushina's conversation with Naruto might shed something about this as well.
well, im no expert but let me do this the best i could... first of, madara told the kages that the SO6P created a new jutsu/seal that is used today (host system) but no one really knew how except akatsuki...why? coz remember madara told kages that within the shrine of the uchiha lies a stone of some sort that only this with ocular powers can see, with levels of knowledge unique only to each... madara got hold of the rinnegan so he has the best of all info that one can get, directly, from the SO6P...and that made me believe that madara knew of "that jutsu" (seal) that the sage made as inscribed in that stone, so madara knew how to control the juubi (using the seal/"that jutsu")... why in the first place will madara be bragging about it when he doesnt have the idea how to control it...but, theres a but, he first must accomplish the moon eye tech so he can genjutsu the whole world and order them to "give me ur powers" (dragonball style, i knw its crazy but..) so that madara can have the power requirement necessary to control the 10 tails... But, a second but, madara knew that somehow the blueprint/key for the original seal that the sage used must be in one of the bijuus (obviously its in the 9th, coz everyone knows the 9 tails is the hardest to tame) that's why, madara made sure to take care of the 9 tails, not even injuring the host it came with. remember the last 7 was almost killed, but naruto was spared ("special jiki" after,all -pain)? coz madara knew that the most powerful of all the seal was in the fox, this seal is even capable of controlling the 10 tails...

Therefore, i believe, with this SO6P seal that naruto has now, he can controll pretty much every one of the bijuu including, probably, the juubi... :)

add: to those who might ask why the seal used by the SO6P is similar to the 4th employed (spiral thinggy) to seal the fox (but the 4th made sure that some of the chakra will leak out so that naruto can "get-the-hang" of the fox's chakra). my simple guess is that the 4th had access to all the scrolls within the countless number of scrolls the konoha have... also, you should understand the konaha's founder was that of the descendants of the sage and that madara also stated that the host-system seal was passed down thru generations in secret... :)
 
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why would THAT jutsu be a sealing technique? gerotora said that he can now practice it. How could naruto practice a powerful sealing technique? seal what? and he wouldn't practice sealing the kyubi over and over again. once he seals it, the jutsu is useless.. and boring from the very beginning.


All pain had to do was his "almight push" jutsu to destroy konoho, i want to know how madara takes down villages w/o even getting caught, granted, naruto could now destroy a village but, EMS must grant the user many abilities, not just one
Madara's not going to use his sharingan soon because he has too many plans and doesn't want to go blind early. And he only has one eye to sacrifice.


[about the hidden corpse]
Come to think of it it really could be Kushina Madara somehow took the fox outta Kushina and Kabuto learned about it from Oro. But really Kabuto said "I haven't told a soul" so I think it doesn't have to do anything with Kushina it must be something of Madara's past or even his identity
madara wouldn't be scared of kushina, or of his brother, or any of the later kage. Madara has more experience than all of them. From what kabuto said, I think it should be someone capable of scaring everyone.

well, im no expert but let me do this the best i could... first of, madara told the kages that the SO6P created a new jutsu/seal that is used today (host system) but no one really knew how except akatsuki...why? coz remember madara told kages that within the shrine of the uchiha lies a stone of some sort that only this with ocular powers can see, with levels of knowledge unique only to each... madara got hold of the rinnegan so he has the best of all info that one can get, directly, from the SO6P...and that made me believe that madara knew of "that jutsu" (seal) that the sage made as inscribed in that stone, so madara knew how to control the juubi (using the seal/"that jutsu")... why in the first place will madara be bragging about it when he doesnt have the idea how to control it...but, theres a but, he first must accomplish the moon eye tech so he can genjutsu the whole world and order them to "give me ur powers" (dragonball style, i knw its crazy but..) so that madara can have the power requirement necessary to control the 10 tails... But, a second but, madara knew that somehow the blueprint/key for the original seal that the sage used must be in one of the bijuus (obviously its in the 9th, coz everyone knows the 9 tails is the hardest to tame) that's why, madara made sure to take care of the 9 tails, not even injuring the host it came with. remember the last 7 was almost killed, but naruto was spared ("special jiki" after,all -pain)? coz madara knew that the most powerful of all the seal was in the fox, this seal is even capable of controlling the 10 tails...

Therefore, i believe, with this SO6P seal that naruto has now, he can controll pretty much every one of the bijuu including, probably, the juubi... :)
I don't really think that madara planned on sparing naruto. He ordered Pain to capture him, but couldn't prevent him from extracting the kyubi if he was successful because they still had the hachibi. Plus, I'm not sure how powerful Madara was when compared to Pain. Pain's defeat could not be predicted by anyone (in the manga) - it was sheer luck.


And another thing. Involving the so6p too much in this arc would kill the story in at most 100 chapters. Does anyone want that?:crazy:
(so let's hope he's not key in defeating madara and ending the war)
 
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And another thing. Involving the so6p too much in this arc would kill the story in at most 100 chapters. Does anyone want that?:crazy:
yeah, just like what i said in my earlier post, SO6P is too much of an overkill... :) but its worth the brain twisting though... :)

and why i believe madara wants to spare naruto? simple...he let pain do it coz he knew pain has the ability to control almost anyone (using the rods) reason why pain "tried-out" pinning naruto down with these rods but sage mode is too much to handle... oh and remember when naruto and nagato talked, he shoot off the rod to naruto hoping that within that close range he can "control" naruto? even konan thought that too...
 
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yeah, just like what i said in my earlier post, SO6P is too much of an overkill... :) but its worth the brain twisting though... :)

and why i believe madara wants to spare naruto? simple...he let pain do it coz he knew pain has the ability to control almost anyone (using the rods) reason why pain "tried-out" pinning naruto down with these rods but sage mode is too much to handle... oh and remember when naruto and nagato talked, he shoot off the rod to naruto hoping that within that close range he can "control" naruto? even konan thought that too...
Pain was planning to extract the kyubi and did not know about madara's moon's eye plan and jubi thing. If madara finally told him not to extract the kyubi, it would interfere with Pain's plans of bringing peace (which I believe were true) and would have lost his trust. Then, madara would be left alone with hachibi running free. Secondly, he needed pain alive for his rinnegan. Pain dying was a problem. I'm not sure how easily a sharingan can control a rinnegan either.
So: Madara wanted Pain alive and as an ally => kyubi had to be extracted.
The proof that Pain wanted to extract the kyubi is simple: Nagato/Pain was consistently honest, and definitely looked that way. Whatever he didn't want people to know, he didn't say. I trust pain more than some of the main characters. As for Madara, he'd lie over and over again, but the above does not depend much on what he said.

As for controlling naruto, it was only to bring him to the extraction hideout

There's a limit to the level and number of secrets/misdirections that this manga can hold, and with all these theories, that level's been surpassed by far.
 

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You may be right. Looks like KB (let me include gaara,yugito, etc) didn't have the necklace even though the gain Bijuus support. SO6P(Jubi Jinchuriki) had that necklace. The Kyubi being the strongest among the Bijuus may possesses that necklace(still, what's the purpose and what does that indicate?).
My conclusion is that Naruto who has mastered Sage Mode on acquiring Kyubi chakra(necklace comes along with Nine Tails or Sage Body indication) has the SO6P necklace which clearly states that naruto has SO6P's body.



Looks like you didn't read the manga clearly. If you read it again, you'll see that there is apostrophe after Paths(ie. Paths'). The fox was referring to SO6P's seal which Naruto used. Naruto now that he possesses SO6P's body, it indicates that he is the descendant of younger son of SO6P, which means Senju.



Well said. :y
So many readers who miss many pictures and statement and ask simple questions. Sigh!!!
The apostrophe thing isn't a very good thing to go on, because it could be a translation error. We can't rule out the fact that Naruto could have been reincarnated as the Sage, because so far, we haven't seen any bit of the Sage in Naruto at the present time. Also, Rinne is the Japanese word for reincarnation.
 

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All pain had to do was his "almight push" jutsu to destroy konoho, i want to know how madara takes down villages w/o even getting caught, granted, naruto could now destroy a village but, EMS must grant the user many abilities, not just one
Madara could probably use Amaterasu on the village from a high point (supposing Madara's EMS grants him Amaterasu). Sasuke actually thought about destroying Konoha with Amaterasu after the fight with Killer Bee. I mean Pain had to jump super ****ing high in order to use Shinra Tensei.
 

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Madara could probably use Amaterasu on the village from a high point (supposing Madara's EMS grants him Amaterasu). Sasuke actually thought about destroying Konoha with Amaterasu after the fight with Killer Bee. I mean Pain had to jump super ****ing high in order to use Shinra Tensei.
EMS is an upgrade to MS. He can do amaterasu, or what genius uchiha whould he be?
But amaterasu burns slowly and can be sealed away, just like Jiraiya did. ANBU could deal with it on buildings

The apostrophe thing isn't a very good thing to go on, because it could be a translation error. We can't rule out the fact that Naruto could have been reincarnated as the Sage, because so far, we haven't seen any bit of the Sage in Naruto at the present time. Also, Rinne is the Japanese word for reincarnation.
It's not a translation error. you can . there's clearly a "no" in the 4th picture, second line. It's the sage of six paths'.
Even a question mark:)
 
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Okay, here's what I think:

Naruto and Sasuke will fight. Naruto will win and Sasuke will be severely hurt but will still want revenge on Madara for killing his clan (since he helped Itachi) and so Naruto will receive his Sharingan but because Naruto has the sage body the sharingan will instead become the rinnegan and naruto will be the equivalent of the Sage of the six paths. In this way Naruto and Sasuke (because Naruto has Sasuke's eyes) will fight Madara together as the sage of the six paths.

The reason that there is a sharingan is because only the senju with a perfect senju body can handle the true strain of the rinnegan and it will turn out that Pain's rinnegan is actually a watered down form of the original which is why his body was able to tolerate/use what he had. So the sharingan is a manifestation of the Rinnegan that won't destroy the weaker body of the older son's decendants.

Edit: I finally found someone else who posted the same thing. I hadn't made it to page 18 yet when I posted before.
 
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Why would Madara control the 3rd Mizukage Kisame even called him Mizukage does that mean just like Oro deceived the sands Madara also did this to the mist village but without getting caught. But what will Madara gain from his. I don't know why but I got a gut feeling that someone is really pulling the strings behind the shadows may be I am wrong but there's just too many mysteries surrounding Madara.
That was an error on Kishi's part. In the volume release, it was corrected to be former mizukage.
 

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EMS is an upgrade to MS. He can do amaterasu, or what genius uchiha whould he be?
But amaterasu burns slowly and can be sealed away, just like Jiraiya did. ANBU could deal with it on buildings

There isn't anything stating that every MS technique is the same between users. Why does Kakashi use Kamui? Sasuke and Itachi use the same jutsus, but from different eyes. They are also brothers. We don't know if Madara can use Amaterasu.

It's not a translation error. you can . there's clearly a "no" in the 4th picture, second line. It's the sage of six paths'.
Even a question mark:)
I would check it out...but I don't read japanese.
 

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my bet is using the bijuus and the jubiis power... madara can have all the power in the world. and NO, EMS, i think cant grant abilities...




well, im no expert but let me do this the best i could... first of, madara told the kages that the SO6P created a new jutsu/seal that is used today (host system) but no one really knew how except akatsuki...why? coz remember madara told kages that within the shrine of the uchiha lies a stone of some sort that only this with ocular powers can see, with levels of knowledge unique only to each... madara got hold of the rinnegan so he has the best of all info that one can get, directly, from the SO6P...and that made me believe that madara knew of "that jutsu" (seal) that the sage made as inscribed in that stone, so madara knew how to control the juubi (using the seal/"that jutsu")... why in the first place will madara be bragging about it when he doesnt have the idea how to control it...but, theres a but, he first must accomplish the moon eye tech so he can genjutsu the whole world and order them to "give me ur powers" (dragonball style, i knw its crazy but..) so that madara can have the power requirement necessary to control the 10 tails... But, a second but, madara knew that somehow the blueprint/key for the original seal that the sage used must be in one of the bijuus (obviously its in the 9th, coz everyone knows the 9 tails is the hardest to tame) that's why, madara made sure to take care of the 9 tails, not even injuring the host it came with. remember the last 7 was almost killed, but naruto was spared ("special jiki" after,all -pain)? coz madara knew that the most powerful of all the seal was in the fox, this seal is even capable of controlling the 10 tails...

Therefore, i believe, with this SO6P seal that naruto has now, he can controll pretty much every one of the bijuu including, probably, the juubi... :)

add: to those who might ask why the seal used by the SO6P is similar to the 4th employed (spiral thinggy) to seal the fox (but the 4th made sure that some of the chakra will leak out so that naruto can "get-the-hang" of the fox's chakra). my simple guess is that the 4th had access to all the scrolls within the countless number of scrolls the konoha have... also, you should understand the konaha's founder was that of the descendants of the sage and that madara also stated that the host-system seal was passed down thru generations in secret... :)
Thanks for explaining the confusing stuffs:D but if that host seal system is passed down to Naruto doesn't that mean Minato had it or something like that then Naruto got it from his dad and Minato was a sealing specialist, just a thought
 
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