Naruto fans logic.

[IceSlayer]

But that not the point here for this thread, Sasuke is holding back but he is actually still learning his Rinnegan potentials.

Its actually about body stamina between this two main characters

Sasuke holding back and not involving much in fight against Kaguya compared to Naruto

From that situation, Sasuke actually is more energatic and not tired/exhausted for the VOTE 2 fight compared to Naruto because Naruto done many thing like set up clones, countering Kaguya's attack etc

The advantages in VOTE 2 fight is on Sasuke over Naruto, plus he managed to learned how to use his other rinnegan powers

But as I witnessed, Naruto body and his stamina still looks the same as always like Kishi not knowing how to draw tired person. That is why I said Naruto got stronger body and high in Stamina because he is an Uzumaki that related to Senju plus Senjutsu body power and Kurama jin. While Sasuke power is on his eyes.

Your statement is actually going against in what you're trying to prove

Naruto has inherited Ashuras half meaning he has more natural stamina then Sasuke, since Sasuke inherited the eyes and not the body he should get tired quicker then Naruto, plus during the entire War Naruto was relaying on Kurama and the bijuus for chakra, he didn't use his own while Sasuke did, unlike Naruto Sasuke had no other chakra back up or beings gathering him extra chakra when he runs low

Naruto may have done a little extra during the Kaguya battle but it isn't like he was using his own chakra, Kurama and the tailed beasts were assisting him with power and chakra, plus you could say the same thing with the Madara fight in which Sasuke was doing most of the work the only difference is, he was using his own chakra

 

[Ansatsuken]

Your statement is actually going against in what you're trying to prove

Naruto has inherited Ashuras half meaning he has more natural stamina then Sasuke, since Sasuke inherited the eyes and not the body he should get tired quicker then Naruto, plus during the entire War Naruto was relaying on Kurama and the bijuus for chakra, he didn't use his own while Sasuke did, unlike Naruto Sasuke had no other chakra back up or beings gathering him extra chakra when he runs low

Naruto may have done a little extra during the Kaguya battle but it isn't like he was using his own chakra, Kurama and the tailed beasts were assisting him with power and chakra, plus you could say the same thing with the Madara fight in which Sasuke was doing most of the work the only difference is, he was using his own chakra

You point to me that I goes against my previous statement because of Sasuke related matters

-But my point still related, that Sasuke is not involving much or not doing much to be exect in Kaguya fight. And yeah Sasuke try to used smart stratergy more than body power to counter Kaguya, but still futile-

-However that dont deteriorated his analytic thinking skill and avoiding from using his own body by relying on PS-

And also about Sasuke advantages right? OK, in my previous post its actually to counter your excuses on Sasuke holding back and not using his other Rinnegan power.

-because that I said, if Sasuke not involving much or doing much, he should be more energetic and more stamina than Naruto at VOTE 2. But still Naruto able to fight with him well-

And my assumption on Sasuke should be more energetic and high in stamina than Naruto is wrong as in VOTE 2, Naruto able to match Sasuke's PS power and CQC after fighting with Kaguya before.

Here I just want to proof that Naruto is still superior than Sasuke in their fight because his body is Uzumaki plus Senjutsu power and Kurama jin.

I also will take in consideration that Sasuke also using outside power to fought with Naruto that has fought with Kaguya before and Madara

Sasuke attack on Madara that are fatal is Chidori sword slashing

Naruto attack on Madara that are fatal is Magma Rasenshuriken, plus he also is involved in CQC with Madara wheres Sasuke just manipulating his S/T jutsu from far. All about Naruto is using his own body no Chakra construct.

The point I want to brought here is, Naruto with all that power he got has strengthen his body potential and upgrade gis stamina while Sasuke is not the same because his power only on his eyes.

After VOTE 2 fight end Naruto still got some power to fight although in sever condition but Sasuke refused and admitted defeat.

 

[Dantee]

I did not say that Sasuke was at full strength, I said Naruto was more exhausted than Sasuke!

If you can't admit that Naruto was a lot more exhausted than Sasuke, then you're just a hater. Sasuke himself admitted that he was holding back to take care of Naruto later. Naruto gave his all to fight Kaguya and was in almost total exhaustion.
On top of that, how many edos (I mean not only fodders, but former kage as well) his clones helped to seal? If you remember Naruto training with shadow clones, they exhaust him really badly. Naruto did most of the job in the war before he obtained RSM and Sasuke obtained rinnegan. After that, Sasuke himself admitted what I said above, so save you breath proving me wrong. (I'm not even talking about bijuu power Sasuke used to match exhausted Naruto who had less than half of kurama)

What proof do you have to prove Naruto was more exhausted than Sasuke? Both used bijuu power to boost their reserves at the end. What you aren't getting is that Naruto was using bijuu power throughout the war to fight longer. It was stated multiple times Naruto would have died a long time ago if Kurama wasn't aiding him. The same could apply to anyone especially Sasuke if he had the support of Kurama he would have fought just as long.

The argument goes around in a full circle because neither were on the brink of fainting once the fight started. Neither ever complained about their reserves at the beginning of the fight.

Sasuke never said he held back but he did just get use to his new Rinnegan powers once the battle began.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Sasuke was holding back against Kaguya, he didn't use half the stuff he used against Naruto against Kaguya

The only new ability he used was S/T against Kaguya the rest were his normal EMS techniques

The same is said for Naruto.
He used no Demon chakra besides Kurama's, he barely used his amazing speed/reflects to go on the attack, he never used the TSB to attack Sasuke/modify it to make an armor around his body similar to Obito.

They were both nerfed U_U

 

[LeSauce]

But yes, inKaguya arc Naruto do all the work by his body alone and not using any chakra construct like PS, he fought more than Sasuke can dream off with Kaguya.

As I said before in my other post, They both can be consider as starting thier fight with JJ Madara fresh and full of energy like after eating Senzu Bean before proceed to fight Kaguya in other arc.

But Sasuke fought less than Naruto in Kaguya arc.

Also from my analysis, Getting Rikudou senjutsu power plus an Uzumaki himself and Kurama jin make Naruto body and Stamina better and tougher than Sasuke overall. How long he fought still not deteriorate much of his Stamina and physical performance.

That's the difference between body power and eyes power, Naruto=body and Sasuke=Eyes as everyone already knew.

The advantages of Sasuke is he play smart and waiting for opportunity, that how he balacing his body weaknesses as Indra descent. By playing smart he can avoid to pressing hard his own body like Naruto does.

All indra descendant had some form of power to protect their body inferiority over Senju/Uzumaki that is Susanoo.

But still with all that Naruto still outclass him by several margin because of having body power and stamina plus other chakra taxing power like clones, TBB etc

The conclusion is, they start fair in JJ Madara arc onwards but in the end Naruto is winning over Sasuke.

Naruto used the Bijuus chalra more than his own. He never used taxing techniques, while Sasuke used PS and S/T most of the time, both of which consumed a lot of chakra. Having the Rinnegan open alone would waste chakra, and don't forget about the techniques he used when trying to get out of the desert.

Naruto used nothing but the cloak and TBB, most of which were from the Bijuu chakra, while Sasuke used his own chakra. It's only fair that he was then able to make up for that lost chakra in the same way Naruto did when fighting Kaguya and Madara.

So no, Naruto was in no way more exhausted than Sasuke.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Naruto used the Bijuus chalra more than his own. He never used taxing techniques, while Sasuke used PS and S/T most of the time, both of which consumed a lot of chakra. Having the Rinnegan open alone would waste chakra, and don't forget about the techniques he used when trying to get out of the desert.

Naruto used nothing but the cloak and TBB, most of which were from the Bijuu chakra, while Sasuke used his own chakra. It's only fair that he was then able to make up for that lost chakra in the same way Naruto did when fighting Kaguya and Madara.

So no, Naruto was in no way more exhausted than Sasuke.

Yeah, you have a point there, and I'm already stated before that both Naruto and Sasuke is not exhausted or tired, and after they both gained Hagoromo power, it can be said they are very fresh and full of energy to fight JJ Madara.

But what make Naruto not exhausted and tired is his Power he had. Although he fought with Kaguya CQC, power he had support his already strong body as an Uzumaki.

We never saw RS Naruto struggle in exhaustion, never. His body is Shiny as always with RS cloak.

Yeah without all tailed beast power sure Naruto is below Sasuke, but I will not go to that route, because the only Naruto we knew was, Naruto with Kyuubi like in the manga. That is mean I dont want to create a theory or speculation on Naruto without Kurama and Sasuke

But Naruto with all his power in VOTE 2 sure surpass Rinnegan Sasuke

 

[Amaterasu]

OP is basically saying that Naruto is MMA

 

[Narutohokage324]

Yeah, you have a point there, and I'm already stated before that both Naruto and Sasuke is not exhausted or tired, and after they both gained Hagoromo power, it can be said they are very fresh and full of energy to fight JJ Madara.

But what make Naruto not exhausted and tired is his Power he had. Although he fought with Kaguya CQC, power he had support his already strong body as an Uzumaki.

We never saw RS Naruto struggle in exhaustion, never. His body is Shiny as always with RS cloak.

Yeah without all tailed beast power sure Naruto is below Sasuke, but I will not go to that route, because the only Naruto we knew was, Naruto with Kyuubi like in the manga. That is mean I dont want to create a theory or speculation on Naruto without Kurama and Sasuke

But Naruto with all his power in VOTE 2 sure surpass Rinnegan Sasuke

Naruto fought Sasuke in VOTE 2 without the tailed beast chakra (meaning everyone aside from Kurama), nothing indicates that it was used. Some say the TSB are created with all nine tailed beast chakra, but nothing actually says that ANYWHERE. Only the Naruto-wiki and they have been wrong before.

Same with the RSM Cloak; I have made a thread about it, and no one has proven be wrong the matter.

Manga/Databooks > Naruto wikia

 

[Ansatsuken]

Naruto fought Sasuke in VOTE 2 without the tailed beast chakra (meaning everyone aside from Kurama), nothing indicates that it was used. Some say the TSB are created with all nine tailed beast chakra, but nothing actually says that ANYWHERE. Only the Naruto-wiki and they have been wrong before.

Same with the RSM Cloak; I have made a thread about it, and no one has proven be wrong the matter.

Manga/Databooks > Naruto wikia

He actually not using most of his arsenal that can overwhelme Sasuke, he held back

 

[DHOH]

You're not considering the fact that Naruto fought a lot longer than Sasuke in the war. So if it were a fair fight, then Naruto would win, that is a logic behind Naruto fans. In MMA the fight is fair, both opponents start with their full strength.

Your not considering the fact that the out come is a tie no matter the circumstances.. The guy said "I'm not saying Sasuke equal naruto". But the fight was a draw, no matter what could've/would've/should've happened.

 

[DHOH]

He actually not using most of his arsenal that can overwhelme Sasuke, he held back

Holding back or not doesn't changed that the fight ended in a tie/draw..

 

[itachi uchiha fiance]

You're not considering the fact that Naruto fought a lot longer than Sasuke in the war. So if it were a fair fight, then Naruto would win, that is a logic behind Naruto fans. In MMA the fight is fair, both opponents start with their full strength.

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[UzumakiWade]

Naruto said after they were healed that he wanted to continue the fight though, so this point is irrelevant.

 

[shelke]

I did not say that Sasuke was at full strength, I said Naruto was more exhausted than Sasuke!

If you can't admit that Naruto was a lot more exhausted than Sasuke, then you're just a hater. Sasuke himself admitted that he was holding back to take care of Naruto later. Naruto gave his all to fight Kaguya and was in almost total exhaustion.
On top of that, how many edos (I mean not only fodders, but former kage as well) his clones helped to seal? If you remember Naruto training with shadow clones, they exhaust him really badly. Naruto did most of the job in the war before he obtained RSM and Sasuke obtained rinnegan. After that, Sasuke himself admitted what I said above, so save you breath proving me wrong. (I'm not even talking about bijuu power Sasuke used to match exhausted Naruto who had less than half of kurama)

Do you even know how Kurama avatar works? Without sufficient chakra, the cloak/avatar cannot even be initiated. This is pretty much proven by the fact when he was thrown out of BM and couldn't initiate it without borrowing chakra from the other half inside Minato. Not to mention Kurama himself accepted that he required NE to match Sasuke's power, even though both of them had chakra from Bijuu.

The rest of it is fanfiction at its worst. Let it go. When exhaustion or whatever poor fiction you are conjuring is not even backed by the manga.

Naruto fought Sasuke in VOTE 2 without the tailed beast chakra (meaning everyone aside from Kurama), nothing indicates that it was used. Some say the TSB are created with all nine tailed beast chakra, but nothing actually says that ANYWHERE. Only the Naruto-wiki and they have been wrong before.

Same with the RSM Cloak; I have made a thread about it, and no one has proven be wrong the matter.

Manga/Databooks > Naruto wikia

You mean like the Viz scan that pretty much states that Naruto was running on the other Bijuu chakra as well? Naruto fans and their self-contrived logic, which is, sadly, seldom found within the confines of the manga.

 

[DHOH]

Naruto said after they were healed that he wanted to continue the fight though, so this point is irrelevant.

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[UzumakiWade]

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Naruto said he wanted to continue the fight ^^^^

 

[DHOH]

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Naruto said he wanted to continue the fight ^^^^

Lol I knew that was a lie.. You said naruto said he wanted to continue to fight after he was healed lol.

 

[UzumakiWade]

Lol I knew that was a lied.. You said naruto said he wanted to continue to fight after he was healed lol.

He didn't say that but its common sense, he obviously wasn't talking about continuing right there and then since he knew he was considerably injured too.

 

[DHOH]

He didn't say that but its common sense, he obviously wasn't talking about continuing right there and then since he knew he was considerably injured too.

He said he's not giving up.. You can take that in multiple ways..

 

[UzumakiWade]

He said he's not giving up.. You can't take in multiple ways..

Sasuke : You still want to fight?
Naruto : Im not giving up!

It obviously means he didn't want to give up the fight, why else would he respond like that?