[Discussion] Naruto can beat MS Obito (no rinnengan) [proof !] PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

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The manga has shown that he materializes his body part to the kamui dimension, not teleports. Plus he was never shown to materialize his whole body, only parts of it.

That might mean that a part of him has the be in the physical world for him to phase like that...

Exactly as you said friend =D

If not, then intangibility and teleportation would be same with only difference that teleportation does not have time limit.
It would be wrong and look horrible work done by Kishi, but I believe in Kishi that he will do properly or even in epic way.

Maybe he could even use my idea to show that Naruto can hit Obito even without clones but timming and accuracy will have to be perfect
 

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Exactly as you said friend =D

If not, then intangibility and teleportation would be same with only difference that teleportation does not have time limit.
It would be wrong and look horrible work done by Kishi, but I believe in Kishi that he will do properly or even in epic way.

Maybe he could even use my idea to show that Naruto can hit Obito even without clones but timming and accuracy will have to be perfect

That's how Minato defeated him... With "Timing and accuracy" =D
 

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That's how Minato defeated him... With "Timing and accuracy" =D

Exactly well spoken :) and Naruto will follow in Minato steps, defeating Obito with timming and accuracy =D.

Like father and son :cool:
 
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Hi, guys I am happy to say that KidGamer65 where Obito's fans can find their support(that MS Obito > Naruto) changed his opinion :cool:

Here is proof:

KidGamer65's quote: "Yeah, I change my opinion now, I see it a 70/30 chance in Naruto's favor."

I hope Obito's fans, you change your opinion too :cool:

Have a nice day
 

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The image itself shows Obito engulfed by the chakra arm yet he is moving with his feet and they are intagible as they too are completely engulfed by the chakra arm.

Another care is when Killer Bee try to grab Obito and Obito went intangible and just walked out of the hand while he was controlling the 5 tails.

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*As we see Obito walk out WHILE being intangible. IF his feet were not intagible, he would not be able to move as you stated.*

If you said his soles were in the real world then it's impossible for Obito to move. Seeing as how KB had his entire had covering Obito's body completely, the soles would be crushed from that grasp.

Basically Obito can move while intangible.

Soooo yeah, what now?
 
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The image itself shows Obito engulfed by the chakra arm yet he is moving with his feet and they are intagible as they too are completely engulfed by the chakra arm.

Another care is when Killer Bee try to grab Obito and Obito went intangible and just walked out of the hand while he was controlling the 5 tails.

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*As we see Obito walk out WHILE being intangible. IF his feet were not intagible, he would not be able to move as you stated.*

Soooo yeah, what now?

No, just no. First where do you see Obito being engulfed by chakra arm ?

#1th I only see Obito with his hand extended which is engulfed in chakra which creates chain made of chakra.

#2th Where do you seen Obito's legs being intangible ?. Nowhere are shown Obito's legs intangible, because Kishi would focus on that detail and make clouse on this.

Sorry but I see only one picture, and there is nothing you are talking about ;/. Maybe picture doesn't show up to me strange

However stuff you mentioned with Killer Bee I can see it.

However again we don't see close on Obito's feets, not even on his legs so we can't know if his feet were covered by Hachibi's hand.

Besides as I said, not even entire feet Obito need to walk. Soles(bottom part of his feet) are alone enough to make him able to walk, so you ddin't prove anything.

Obito's feet are not showed covered completly by Hachibi's attack. I see that Hachibi's hand cover Obito's body from knees(maybe top part of feet) to his head, that it.

Show me scan where Obito's feet(closure on his feet) are covered by some attack and then Obito being able to move, I am waiting ...

I don't think that manga can provide your panel like that

EDIT: Sorry, I got what you meant with first picture:

This is one which I posted, yeah ?:

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If yes then only left middle picture shows us Obito moving, with chakra arm covering his body from knees to above. Besides even if Obito's feet would be covered by chakra arm in this picture then only top part of feet, but Obito only need his soles(you know how thin soles are in compare to rest of his body) tangible to move.

Why I don't agree:

#1th You don't have picture showing Obito's feet completly covered by attack only some part of his body while he is moving.

#2th It is just logical that he need at least his soles to be tangible to move, would be stupid, illogical and too farfetched if Obito could move with his feet not exisiting(being in other dimenssion) it would senseless
 
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this all is too complicated for naruto's intelligence.

All naruto has to do is make two BM clones, and send one of them into kamui dimension.
Then let both of them hit bijju dama at same time.
 

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this all is too complicated for naruto's intelligence.

All naruto has to do is make two BM clones, and send one of them into kamui dimension.
Then let both of them hit bijju dama at same time.

Maybe you are right, but Do you agree it would work if Naruto's intelligence could allow him to use that strategy ?

I agree with your way too, but I tried to find way for Naruto to beat Obito without clones:cool:
 

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I'll explain you about the feet stuff everyone is talking about.
Obito is much familiar with the Kamui's dimension. So he can become intangible in the real world and send his any part of the body or the whole body to the other world wherever he wants.
If you understood this then it's simple to explain now.
Whenever Obito becomes intangible completely including his foot in the real world, he will select a place in Kamui world where he can touch his feet on the ground( you remember there are weird square pillars in the Kamui world). And using the ground in Kamui's world he will walk as well as run in the real world by keeping his foot intangible.
Apart from his feet, if he makes any other part of the body intangible, he won't need any particular place in the Kamui world for the support to his body parts since they will be hanging in the space.
 
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I'll explain you about the feet stuff everyone is talking about.
Obito is much familiar with the Kamui's dimension. So he can become intangible in the real world and send his any part of the body or the whole body to the other world wherever he wants.
If you understood this then it's simple to explain now.

Until now I agree ;)

Whenever Obito becomes intangible completely including his foot in the real world, he will select a place in Kamui world where he can touch his feet on the ground( you remember there are weird square pillars in the Kamui world). And using the ground in Kamui's world he will walk as well as run in the real world by keeping his foot intangible.

I see your point, but you have no proof to back this up. Besides this would just plain stupid, and senseless and unlogical if Obito could move in real world without just his soles being tangible in real world, sorry but I refuse to believe in that.

Apart from feet stuff I agree, but with feet stuff NO, sorry ahhimane you don't have proof so I can't admit that you are right.

Your interpretation of manga has same chance to be right as mine, until Kishi confirms that you are right or no.

Apart from his feet, if he makes any other part of the body intangible, he won't need any particular place in the Kamui world for the support to his body parts since they will be hanging in the space.

Yeah with this I agree too =D. Thanks a lot for your explanation and your time ahhimane but I refuse to accept your interpretation about feet stuff, I will stick to mine interpretation until Kishi say otherwise.

Don't be mad=D, I have simply another point of view at this stuff, so let's wait for Kishi to confirm which interpretation is right ;)

EDIT: I will believe in way you described feet stuff would work if you prove me scan where while Tobi's feet are intangible(covered completly by attack, including soles) he was able to move. I am sorry but I don't think manga can provide scan with showing something like I said
 
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Hi guys, I wanted to share with you way how Naruto could beat Obito.

NOTES:

  • THIS THREAD doesn't refer to Obito with Rinnengan but MS OBITO only
  • Insulting other memebers or bashing characters will be reported !
  • Answers aren't reffering to this thread's topic will be removed right away
  • Every answer has to be backed up with proof
  • Answers without reason will be removed !
  • THIS THREAD DOESN'T MEAN THAT NARUTO > OBITO ! Only that Naruto with great strategy, right timing has chance to beat Obito EVEN WITHOUT USING CLONES

Kamui seems invincible technique , but it has weakness as every jutsu. Even although this weakness could be probably only explored by Naruto. First let's assume what we know already=D

Kamui is made of two abilities:

  • First ability makes Obito intangible which cause everything/everyone to pass through him. Even more hax is that he can become partially intangible as he send these part of body to other dimenssion
  • Second ability allows Obito to disappear and appear somewhere else, but he has to become tangible to do that.

Ok, Now question appear: "What the hell Naruto posses to hit him when Obito uses Kamui"

Answer is: "Speed, great reaction and the most important Chakra arms"

Before we go into debate let's look at this picture:

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Then at this:

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Ok. Someone can say: "and what is that important in these two pictures. It only show that Naruto can't hit Obito even with chakra arms". It is right and wrong answer at the same time, why I will explain below.

As we can see, Naruto is trying to hit Obito with his chakra arms, forcing Obito to become intangible. However Obito is still moving while being intangible.

Someone can say: "But how ?! that should be impossible ?!"

I say it is not completly true, because Obito can become partialy intangible while sending these parts of his body to another dimenssion, so what did Obito need to move even if he has almost his body intangible ?

Answer : legs, being more specific feets. Yes, he needs to have his feets tangible(in real world) to be able to move.

Now someone can ask: " what is connection between Obito legs and Chakra arms ? "

Answer: To stop Obito from moving, Naruto has to attack Obito with his chakra arms, covering completly his feet and keep his chakra arms there .

Question: "But what would Naruto fulfill by make Obito unable to move ? "

Answer: " It would force Obito to stay intangible and his five min time limit to run out "

However, then someone can say: "but If Obito is forced to make his lower parts of body including feet intangible then why wouldn't he attack Naruto with some jutsu, using his upper parts of body ?"

Answer: "That is right logic, that why Naruto would have to not only cover his feets but all body with chakra arms and keep them in place, forcing Obito five minuts time limit to run out"

It is ok, but someone can ask : "How Naruto would harm Obito with this strange strategy ?"

Answer: "Naruto could harm Obito with this strategy by first covering Obito's feets and legs forcing him to stay in place. Second he would have to shot out his chakra arms and envelopes them around Obito with few inches from his body, surronding him with all directions. These chakra arms would keep Rasengan or even Rasen shuriken , while other chakra arms would cover Obito's feet and keep them for five minuts straight."

However someone can come and say: "Ok, I got your logic. However Obito can simply make himself intangible again second later after becoming tangible, so Naruto would have to wait 5 mins again"

Answer: "That why he would have Obito surrounded with many rasengan/rasenshurkiens from all sides. When Obito would run out of 5 min(time limit) then he would have to become tangible and then Naruto smash him with all Rasengans and Rasengshurikens or Naruto would focus on passing time and one minute before Obito time run out Naruto would charge bijuu dama and ten seconds before Obito would run out of time. Naruto could shot off his bijuu dama, so explosion would last more around 20 seconds(more 10 seconds), which would kill Obito in process."

Now question: "How Naruto can counter Obito's Kamui second ability ?"

Answer: "with his great speed and reaction of time as he proved even in last chapter(628)"

Last question: "Obito would always use Izanagi, giving him 10 min more time, forcing Naruto's bijuu mode to run out of time"

Answer: "That is right, but even if Obito would do that Naruto would still enter Kyuubi chakra mode fast and then use same strategy again with chakra arms."

OK, that it thanks for reading guys =D. Anyway for these who refuse to read my thread completly.

SUMMARY:

  • Naruto can beat Obito's intangibility with chakra arms. Some of them covering Obito's feet and legs forcing him to stay in place while being intangible. While Obito will be forced to stay in place rest of chakra arms keeping Rasengan/rasenshurikens could surround his body from all sides or simply keep all of them and then shot off his bijuudama 10 or 5 seconds before Obito would run out of time limit(5 min) and become tangible.

    Key to succes is great timing while using both chakra arms to attack and resrict Obito's movement with great accuracy.
  • Naruto can beat Obito's appearing and disappearing in swirl with his great speed and great reaction of time.

    Key to succes is great speed used along great reaction time in very good timing.
  • Naruto can skip Obito's Izanagi and wait, while searching for Obito and even if 10 minuts pass and Naruto loose bijuu mode he can go straight to kyuubi chakra mode and use same strategy while Obito will loose his only chance for Izangai

Sorry for my bad english or any mistakes :(

I hope you get my point and understand what I tried to show in this thread =D

Let's have fun and discuss:cool:

Most of this is common knowledge, but you know, this is the first time I've seen anything mention obito's feet, I think you might be onto something there.
 

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Most of this is common knowledge, but you know, this is the first time I've seen anything mention obito's feet, I think you might be onto something there.

Thanks a lot for sharing your opinion man =D

Yeah, it is possible and logical way to explain how his movement works when he seems almost completly intangible:cool:
 

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I am not getting your "sole" thing. What is so important about the "sole" part? Even you have not provided proof for your "sole is not intangible" thing in your theory.
When Naruto hit him with the Bijuudama
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OBITO IS IN AIR

He got hit in the Kamui world by Naruto's rasengan directly on his face.

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Suppose he was steady in the Kamui world because he knew that the blast will be over in less than 5 mins and he can land on the ground. But also the hit of rasengan throw away the mask pieces. In the real world, the mask pieces as well as Obito were on the ground. Due to the force from the Kamui world, the matter of the real world got moved.
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Similarly, Obito applied force at ground in the Kamui world so as to move in the real world.
 

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I am not getting your "sole" thing. What is so important about the "sole" part? Even you have not provided proof for your "sole is not intangible" thing in your theory.

Ok, you are right I don't have proof behind my theory, only logic but you don't have proof against my theory as well. Same with your theory I don't have proof against your theory and you don't have proof behind your theory as well

So we can believe in whatever we want until it contradicts manga facts =D

When Naruto hit him with the Bijuudama
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OBITO IS IN AIR

He got hit in the Kamui world by Naruto's rasengan directly on his face.

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Suppose he was steady in the Kamui world because he knew that the blast will be over in less than 5 mins and he can land on the ground. But also the hit of rasengan throw away the mask pieces. In the real world, the mask pieces as well as Obito were on the ground. Due to the force from the Kamui world, the matter of the real world got moved.

Suppose, this is world used by me and you to prove our rights. In my opinion he was simply forced to transfer all his body parts to other dimenssion, which make him unable to move in real world, I can't prove it but you can't disprove it too.

I don't agree with your force in Kamui world either. In my opinion it looks more like Obito landed and along with pieces of his mask because of graviation began to work on him just after he become tangible, which cause his fall on ground.

Besides what you said about force in Kamui world working on real word, I see it complety opposite in Kamui Obito was sent flying with Rasengan crashing his mask into pieces but in real world he wasn't shown sent flying backwards but instead landing safely on ground and his pieces of mask aren't thrown away just few inch from him laying on ground.

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Similarly, Obito applied force at ground in the Kamui world so as to move in the real world.

Sorry but again this is only your assumption ahhimane, you may be right but as well you can be wrong. I can be right and I can't be not right. Both of us don't have proof to say that I am right with 100% certainly, yes ?
No, we are only guessing basing on our interpretion of manga scans, that it.

Comming back to example above, as I said Kishi didn't show Obito becoming tangible in real world and then falling(which could prove my theory) but Kishi didn't show Obito falling on ground in Kamui world either (so after becoming tangible in real world) Obito would be on ground.

We can only guess because we don't have proof

Anyway I understand and respect your point of view ahhimane, but unfortunetly my opinion as well as point of view on this topic is completly different. We can argue who is right, but this argument will never end because we have different interpretations of what is happening in manga scans, so instead of arguing I suggest to accept each other point of view and cheer =D
 
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i didnt read all the replies... so sorry if this has been stated. but couldnt obito just kamui himself away to his dimension to get away?
 

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i didnt read all the replies... so sorry if this has been stated. but couldnt obito just kamui himself away to his dimension to get away?

Don't worry man :cool:. Yeah I think Obito could just kamui himself away, but for that he need to become tangible before.

Besides as Naruto showed in last chaper (628 chapter). Naruto in Kyuubi chakra mode can avoid Obito comming from Kamui Wolrd, so it isn't problem =D, Moreover Naruto in KCM is faster then Obito.

However Intangibility(second ability of Obito's Kamui ) is great problem for Naruto and main point of my thread is showing way how Naruto could counter this ability.

I hope you understand what I meant ;), please share any doubts you have I will try to answer to them ;)
 

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Nice theory, but I believe Obito could move freely as well, though timing and accuracy is needed for Naruto to successfully hit a blow like Minato.
 
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