[Discussion] Naruto can beat MS Obito (no rinnengan) [proof !] PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

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Hi guys, I wanted to share with you way how Naruto could beat Obito.

NOTES:

  • THIS THREAD doesn't refer to Obito with Rinnengan but MS OBITO only
  • Insulting other memebers or bashing characters will be reported !
  • Answers aren't reffering to this thread's topic will be removed right away
  • Every answer has to be backed up with proof
  • Answers without reason will be removed !
  • THIS THREAD DOESN'T MEAN THAT NARUTO > OBITO ! Only that Naruto with great strategy, right timing has chance to beat Obito EVEN WITHOUT USING CLONES

Kamui seems invincible technique , but it has weakness as every jutsu. Even although this weakness could be probably only explored by Naruto. First let's assume what we know already=D

Kamui is made of two abilities:

  • First ability makes Obito intangible which cause everything/everyone to pass through him. Even more hax is that he can become partially intangible as he send these part of body to other dimenssion
  • Second ability allows Obito to disappear and appear somewhere else, but he has to become tangible to do that.

Ok, Now question appear: "What the hell Naruto posses to hit him when Obito uses Kamui"

Answer is: "Speed, great reaction and the most important Chakra arms"

Before we go into debate let's look at this picture:

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Then at this:

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Ok. Someone can say: "and what is that important in these two pictures. It only show that Naruto can't hit Obito even with chakra arms". It is right and wrong answer at the same time, why I will explain below.

As we can see, Naruto is trying to hit Obito with his chakra arms, forcing Obito to become intangible. However Obito is still moving while being intangible.

Someone can say: "But how ?! that should be impossible ?!"

I say it is not completly true, because Obito can become partialy intangible while sending these parts of his body to another dimenssion, so what did Obito need to move even if he has almost his body intangible ?

Answer : legs, being more specific feets. Yes, he needs to have his feets tangible(in real world) to be able to move.

Now someone can ask: " what is connection between Obito legs and Chakra arms ? "

Answer: To stop Obito from moving, Naruto has to attack Obito with his chakra arms, covering completly his feet and keep his chakra arms there .

Question: "But what would Naruto fulfill by make Obito unable to move ? "

Answer: " It would force Obito to stay intangible and his five min time limit to run out "

However, then someone can say: "but If Obito is forced to make his lower parts of body including feet intangible then why wouldn't he attack Naruto with some jutsu, using his upper parts of body ?"

Answer: "That is right logic, that why Naruto would have to not only cover his feets but all body with chakra arms and keep them in place, forcing Obito five minuts time limit to run out"

It is ok, but someone can ask : "How Naruto would harm Obito with this strange strategy ?"

Answer: "Naruto could harm Obito with this strategy by first covering Obito's feets and legs forcing him to stay in place. Second he would have to shot out his chakra arms and envelopes them around Obito with few inches from his body, surronding him with all directions. These chakra arms would keep Rasengan or even Rasen shuriken , while other chakra arms would cover Obito's feet and keep them for five minuts straight."

However someone can come and say: "Ok, I got your logic. However Obito can simply make himself intangible again second later after becoming tangible, so Naruto would have to wait 5 mins again"

Answer: "That why he would have Obito surrounded with many rasengan/rasenshurkiens from all sides. When Obito would run out of 5 min(time limit) then he would have to become tangible and then Naruto smash him with all Rasengans and Rasengshurikens or Naruto would focus on passing time and one minute before Obito time run out Naruto would charge bijuu dama and ten seconds before Obito would run out of time. Naruto could shot off his bijuu dama, so explosion would last more around 20 seconds(more 10 seconds), which would kill Obito in process."

Now question: "How Naruto can counter Obito's Kamui second ability ?"

Answer: "with his great speed and reaction of time as he proved even in last chapter(628)"

Last question: "Obito would always use Izanagi, giving him 10 min more time, forcing Naruto's bijuu mode to run out of time"

Answer: "That is right, but even if Obito would do that Naruto would still enter Kyuubi chakra mode fast and then use same strategy again with chakra arms."

OK, that it thanks for reading guys =D. Anyway for these who refuse to read my thread completly.

SUMMARY:

  • Naruto can beat Obito's intangibility with chakra arms. Some of them covering Obito's feet and legs forcing him to stay in place while being intangible. While Obito will be forced to stay in place rest of chakra arms keeping Rasengan/rasenshurikens could surround his body from all sides or simply keep all of them and then shot off his bijuudama 10 or 5 seconds before Obito would run out of time limit(5 min) and become tangible.

    Key to succes is great timing while using both chakra arms to attack and resrict Obito's movement with great accuracy.
  • Naruto can beat Obito's appearing and disappearing in swirl with his great speed and great reaction of time.

    Key to succes is great speed used along great reaction time in very good timing.
  • Naruto can skip Obito's Izanagi and wait, while searching for Obito and even if 10 minuts pass and Naruto loose bijuu mode he can go straight to kyuubi chakra mode and use same strategy while Obito will loose his only chance for Izangai

Sorry for my bad english or any mistakes :(

I hope you get my point and understand what I tried to show in this thread =D

Let's have fun and discuss:cool:
 
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Interesting theory, but I think Obito can move even if his entire body is intangible. So even if Naruto attacks his feet, Obito would still be able to keep moving.

I might be wrong, though. Good job!
 

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Kidgame made a thread going against this, i agreed with him but I'm to lazy to copy & paste what he said maybe he'll do it
 

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Nice thread.

I believe Itachi can beat MS Obito aswell
 

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Good theory,but I think he can move in the real world,even if his full body is in another dimension.
 

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Kidgame made a thread going against this, i agreed with him but I'm to lazy to copy & paste what he said maybe he'll do it


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Interesting theory, but I think Obito can move even if his entire body is intangible. So even if Naruto attacks his feet, Obito would still be able to keep moving.

I might be wrong, though. Good job!

Thanks a lot man :), I think you rather wrong, because Kishi didn't even sacrifice one panel to show Obito completly covered by something/some attack and able to move.

Another strange thing. Why then Obito dissapeared when Naruto used bijuudama against him ? (PLOT NO JUTSU ?),

No I don't think so. I am sure that bijuu dama couldn't even last five minuts , then why did Obito go to another dimenssion

Answer: "because his all body was covered by attack, make him unable to move. Which could create opportunity for Naruto, Kakashi and Gai to attack him and take him out by distraction" :cool:

That why I think my strategy could work
 

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Kumu also has the ability to teleport.... so how would he keep him in place?
 

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You have made a couple of wrong axioms on which you are building the rest of your argument.
1. (This isn't too relevant) Obito's Mokuton abilities come from his body being merged with white Zetsu, not the Rinnegan. Rinnegan has nothing to do with Mokuton.
2. Obito can move in this dimension when his legs are in the other. This has been demonstrated countless times - his body continues to act as one cohesive functional unit no matter which parts are in which dimension. So the rest of your argument pretty much collapses because you made up the part about Obito not being able to move around when his legs are in the other dimension.
 

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sorry but you are wrong and I am sure that you didn't read this thread completly.

"Why are you wrong"

- First "Because I stated that Naruto can go right away to Kyuubi chakra mode after bijuu mode timelimit run out"

KCM Naruto speed > Obito's speed (Obito loose his only chance to use Izangai but Naruto can still use his strategy against Obito)

- Second, Naruto can create many clones in meantime, preparing for Obito arrival

- Third, Naruto would just turn off his bijuu mode and switch to his kyuubi chakra mode. Then When Obito appear Naruto goes to Bijuu mode again and Obito is toast.

Naruto with mind can beat Obito, so you failed :cool:

Key for Naruto to use my strategy and win is: HAVING INTEL ON OBITO

Kumu also has the ability to teleport.... so how would he keep him in place?

He has to become tangible to teleport himself. If he wasn't able to move(chakra arms covering his feet) then even if he risk and become tangible then he is smashed in same second with all Rasengans !!

Sorry for Shouting, but I am sure that you didn't read my thread completly or not properly at least
 
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Why weren't his feet hurt during Naruto's attack if his feet were in fact tangible?
 

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Naruto with mind can beat Obito, so you failed :cool:
Failed at what? i just posted a thread that is similar to this one.If anyone 'failed' then its the thread maker.:|
baka.
 

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Why weren't his feet hurt during Naruto's attack if his feet were in fact tangible?

You brought here good point, but then please show me any scan from manga where Obito's feet are being shown hit or covered complelty by some attacks, Can you ?

Besides may be he only require his soles to be tangible (not even entire feet) for being able to move.

That what I think at leat :cool:

You have made a couple of wrong axioms on which you are building the rest of your argument.
1. (This isn't too relevant) Obito's Mokuton abilities come from his body being merged with white Zetsu, not the Rinnegan. Rinnegan has nothing to do with Mokuton.
2. Obito can move in this dimension when his legs are in the other. This has been demonstrated countless times - his body continues to act as one cohesive functional unit no matter which parts are in which dimension. So the rest of your argument pretty much collapses because you made up the part about Obito not being able to move around when his legs are in the other dimension.

1. Ok, You have point here but Obito can use mokuton when he is intangible , he has to become tangible to use Wood release, so it doesn't matter here. Besides Naruto showed that he can free himself from Obito's Wood release

2. Legs, YES I agree but feet, NO. He at least has to keep his soles in this world(bottom part of feet). I don't understand quite well what you tired to say here. However basen on facts from manga I know that Obito can continue his movement after becoming intangible but after he finishes his previous movement while being intangible. He has to keep his soles to be able to move or otherwise he is forced to stay in place.

I proved your argument invalid, at least I think. Show me scans in manga where while Obito's feet are completly covered by some attacks he can move and where while Obito's body completly covered by attack he can move.

Until you won't give me these proofs I dont' believe that you are right. Besides my argument is more logical(without your feet or at least soles exisitng in thsi world you can't move)

Failed at what? i just posted a thread that is similar to this one.If anyone 'failed' then its the thread maker.:|
baka.

Ok, sorry I was mad and reacted wrong. Sorry if I insulted you or you feel attacked I didn't mean to behave hostile towards anyone.

However I hope you can still debate with me, and please try to keep open mind. Now if someone says that something is impossible and then someone other find way around it then you still decline it, but first analyze exactly if it works.:cool:

nice thread u really put some effort into it

Thanks a lot man :) I am glad you like it =D
 
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Nice thread. I don't know if the feet thing would work, but it seems plausible. I think fighting with clones would give Naruto a better chance of hitting Obito.

If Naruto fights with a SM clone, he could hit Obito without touching him. Obito won't see the hit coming...
 

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Nice thread. I don't know if the feet thing would work, but it seems plausible. I think fighting with clones would give Naruto a better chance of hitting Obito.

If Naruto fights with a SM clone, he could hit Obito without touching him. Obito won't see the hit coming...

Yeah you are right =D, glad to have your support :cool:

However I am sure that Obito has to have at least his soles tangible to move, at least it could be logical and would work.

Besides Kishi hasn't never shown that while Obito's feet being covered by someone attack or his body completly covered that Obito was moving.

Moreover when Obito was attacked by Naruto bijuudama instead of going intangible as other say and move out of bijuu dama range. Are you kidding me that while 5 min he couldn't get out of bijuu dama range =D

No, but he knows that he wouldn't be able to move if his feet(soles too) will be intangible so he would become easy target to attack latter. Not taking risk Obito decided to come to teleport completly to his dimenssion instead of going intangible.

Considence, I don't think so:cool:
 
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He does'nt need his feet for that, after all, he highly likely ''teleports'' by just traveling through the other dimension.

And besides, Tobi cant use the defense option now, since it would now send his body parts to a vast army ready to strike.

And with the kyuubi's chakra, Kakashi certainly has a chance.
 

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with his great speed he can defeat obito one on one

but with juubi it will be difficult

nice theory btw
 

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He does'nt need his feet for that, after all, he highly likely ''teleports'' by just traveling through the other dimension.

And besides, Tobi cant use the defense option now, since it would now send his body parts to a vast army ready to strike.

And with the kyuubi's chakra, Kakashi certainly has a chance.

Sorry, But you sounds illogical. Maybe not entire feet but at least his soles has to be tangible for Obito to be able to move. This is what I believe =D

It is just your opinion but you maybe right. However it would too farfetched in my opinion besides Kishi wouldn't do something like that to make Obito invincible but instead he would left this opening for someone to explore :cool:

Rest of you post is right, but this off topic. I asked everyone to DO NOT TALK ABOUT TOPIC OTHER THEN MY THREAD REFFERS TO. Besides I am sure you didn't read my thread completly or at least no properly.

This is hypothetical Naruto vs MS Obito (Naruto with current abilities against MS OBITO NOT RINNENGAN )

Anyway thanks for your opinion

with his great speed he can defeat obito one on one

but with juubi it will be difficult

nice theory btw

I agree, however it would be much harder than it is spoken =D

Anyway Thanks a lot fot your opinion and support :cool:
 

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He does'nt need his feet for that, after all, he highly likely ''teleports'' by just traveling through the other dimension.

And besides, Tobi cant use the defense option now, since it would now send his body parts to a vast army ready to strike.

And with the kyuubi's chakra, Kakashi certainly has a chance.

The manga has shown that he materializes his body parts to the kamui dimension, not teleports. Plus he was never shown to materialize his whole body, only parts of it.

That might mean that a part of him has to be in the physical world for him to phase like that...

EDIT: and he has to suck himself in to the kamui dimension for him to be completely there.
 
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