So you wanna say.
That Sasuke will turn to other side again.
It would be 4 or 5 time he does that.
And i found it stupid from Kishi side.
Furthermore Person X have scratches on his legs. So he was after fight.
Same as kabuto. And Kabuto not necessary want to kill Sasuke he could want to save him. One simple reason to say thanks for everything he did for him. Because if Kabuto found way out of Izanagi he is a new person. Not insane anymore.
But I prefere that person X is Kisame it wont give much to plot but it would be awesome.
Isn't it possible that just as Naruto is the embodiment of the SO6P's will that Kabuto is the embodiment of Sojobo's will? Maybe when he was found and taken into the orphanage he was taken off of his original path and has been trying to get back to that path ever since. It's possible that he was never meant to be good like Mother and Itachi believed and that by putting him in Izanagi he recalled his true path, which is to be the embodiment of Sojobo's will. That would explain why Karin senses evil intent.
Knowing how easily Sasuke has been manipulated in the past he thought to carry out that will by trying to turn Sasuke evil again which is why he went to him as soon as he broke out of Izanagi.
amazing i would actually prefer if this happened also i've been thinking about what you said the juubi trying to protect everyone from the fruit(chakra) what if naruto with the juubi a good entity as you hinted in you're previous thread against sasuke manipulated into eating the fruit himself by the mystery man it would be as if history repeating itself as kaguya ate the fruit against the juubi's wishes...good job always a pleasure reading you're theories
Yes i agree with you Sasuke aint bad anymore.
But think if Sasuke will found out that will of God is that people should't have Chakra. Then he will try take it for good reason and that would make him good guy. Every1 else will be bad.
And Sage was bad person he did stuff against god will. He did it for his selfish reasons make peace in world. Which did't work. So here is no point to have chakra anymore. Because people are fighting as they fight before. Just now they are stronger then before.
For Naruto peace way you don't need chakra. But he defending it (chakra) so he is evil.
Yes i agree with you Sasuke aint bad anymore.
But think if Sasuke will found out that will of God is that people should't have Chakra. Then he will try take it for good reason and that would make him good guy. Every1 else will be bad.
And Sage was bad person he did stuff against god will. He did it for his selfish reasons make peace in world. Which did't work. So here is no point to have chakra anymore. Because people are fighting as they fight before. Just now they are stronger then before.
For Naruto peace way you don't need chakra. But he defending it (chakra) so he is evil.
I am not quite sure what you mean by "four factions." The way you have described it "good vs evil" seems like there is two and Naruto and Sasuke would simply fall into these categories.
Let me clarify, I meant that I didn't feel that this was a story about a conflict between S06P and Tengu Sojubo being played out currently through Naruto and Sasuke.
Another point I want to address...you mention the spirit and say that Sasuke embodies the mind, Naruto the body and the spirit has yet to be revealed (if it is indeed a person). But, I would argue this point. I am familiar with the concepts (mind, body, spirit) but am certainly no expert. And I agree that Sasuke is the mind, Naruto the body, but I disagree on the spirit being "that which is hidden." I think the argument can be made that the spirit is simply what binds people together and no one person embodies it. In fact, in 665 Madara mentions the Sage trying to connect everyone's spirit so that they could better understand each other. Is that not how the "spirit" is being represented in the story? As simply a binding agent (for lack of a better term) and not some mysterious third person (although I am curious to hear who/what you have in mind).
Spirit is also represented by willpower "The ability to continue on no matter what". We currently see this played out in Obito, who's consciousness until this recent chapter had ceased according to Kakashi then suddenly it is back again and is exhibiting unbelievable levels of resistance. We have seen this manifest in others as well. Haku, Jiraiya, Kushina who all managed to survive when they should have been dead. Spirit can be connected but spirit alone is not enough, realization (mind) and action (body) also have to work together in harmony. What I took from Madara's explanation was that the Sage had already connected spirits before via chakra, but individuals had separated on their own and molded the chakra into weapons. If it had worked then we would be living in the age of the Sage, and Madara would not be attempting Infinite Tsukuyomi. Why didn't it work? Well, not everyone is at the same level of realization or has the same mastery of their physical abilities (ex:Kabuto). This can cause individuals to create conflict in the pursuit of the very thing that they feel will bring about this balance (ex:life)
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I would starkly disagree with this point. Naruto has already achieved what the Sage could not.
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There are other pages that support the point I am going to make, but I figured this is most appropriate. Naruto isn't asking anyone to do anything, certainly not forcing them to either. All he is doing, is showing that he considers everyone to be a comrade whom he is willing to put his life on the line for, whether they reciprocate the feeling or not is up to them.
I agree with this partially but there is a causality at work which Naruto's path ignores just like the Sages path. Why was it necessary to share Chakra in the first place? To save them during the war. Why was it necessary to save them? Someone was trying to push them all into Infinite Tsukuyomi. Why was someone trying to push them all into Infinite Tsukuyomi? The Shinobi system had failed. Why had it failed? Because people wanted their own power and turned chakra into a weapon for fighting. You can quickly see the circular path this route takes.
This is vastly different from what the Sage was said to have done. Naruto, as he stated himself, doesn't want the easy path, but wants to be able to lead other's down a hard one. All the Sage did, was give the people the means to understand each other and hope they would take the opportunity...to which they refused. From what we know, the Sage wasn't doing anything similar to what Naruto is doing now, he wasn't leading the way Naruto is; like Obito, he took the easy path (he may not have known it at the time) and assumed people would take it as well. Naruto has proven, with his actions, that there is another way, and the shinobi around him are responding to it.
The Sage's wording to the Bijuu support my argument as well. "Unlike when you were within me, you will be lead down the right path.." Is it merely coincidental that during Obito and Naruto's conversation they spoke of which path to take? No one has elected to face the perils of the more difficult path....until now. That is what separates Naruto from his comrades and ancestors and is ultimately what will bind people together. Unlike before, they will all be voluntarily heading down the same path together.
This is a point I disagree with. The So6P did try to lead them through his teaching of Ninjutsu and lets not confuse what he said to the tailed beasts with what he was attempting with men and women. As for Naruto, you cannot voluntarily walk a path that you were forced to walk, no matter how benevolent the intent. I see no evidence that the Shinobi alliance would continue down this difficult path voluntarily simply because they understand each other, and Naruto is leading them down it. They may go for a period of time out of love, or duty, or whatever, but each individual has to come to these understandings for themselves and walk their own path. Once again, you cannot force enlightenment on someone no matter how good your intentions.
In Ninjutsu there is a term called Sanmitsu the "Three Mysteries" they represent the Mind (realization), Body(action) and Word (spirit or will). All must be in balance with each other in order to achieve harmony. Each is equally important and you see this triune turn up throughout the manga. You may also have seen the Kuji-in being performed which are similar to other Mudras, but are often associated Ninja's in anime or movies. They are Rin (strength of mind and body), Pyo (direction of energy), Toh (harmony with the universe), Sha (healing of self and others), Kai (premonition of danger), Jin (knowing the thoughts of others), Retsu (mastery of space and time), Zai (control of the elements of nature), and Zen (enlightenment). It is not a mistake that there are Nine Tailed beasts and there are Nine Kuji-in, there is also supposed to be a 10th Kuji-in that represents either a blessing or a curse. Anyway, through mastery of Sanmitsu it is possible to unlock all of the Kuji-in. So the struggle here is not simply mind (sasuke) and body (naruto) there is a very important missing element spirit. All three will have to be reconciled.
Interesting theory, however, it's all arbitrary at this point. What I do not agree about the theory are the set white and grey boundaries you have set for Naruto and Sasuke - you forget, that the system and the Will Naruto supports is tainted to its very core by corruption, injustice, heinous crimes, and Ninja Dogma. Hence, it isn't as cut and dry as you would presume it to be.
Whilst your theory is quite interesting - and valid on quite many accounts - it has completely dropped the most important point - the Tablet itself. It has to remembered that it's the Tablet from the Sage that talks about the Infinite Tsukuyomi and nothing else. Perhaps the stories have been corrupted and the Sage wasn't a bastion of innocence as everyone thought him to be, as after all, he divided the problem that was the Juubi and created nine more in its place, took away its Chakra and intensified the concept, and ruled the world based on his own principles - which would be an onset of Militias everywhere through his Ninjutsu teachings.
There is so much we do not know about the Sage. What was the war like in that era? Why did a large scale war erupt? Why did the Sage became the sole bearer of teachings that led to all this today? Then we have Kabuto and Obito's interest in Sasuke, which was more than just syncing him with the Gedo Mezo. Is it possible that it's Sasuke who is the actual heir of the Sage, given that we saw a very nice silhouette of him when Sasuke used his Sharingan on Chee, over-taken by his malice for Danzo?
Perhaps I am digressing just a tad bit, but, this manga has left so many unanswered questions that it leaves a lot of room for exploration and a lot more for actual concrete answers which would, let's face it, never find their rightful answers. All in all, a great effort. Much better than these Minato damage control threads we were having for so long.
Interesting. You may be right, but I think Naruto's going to become a psuedo juubi jinchuriki as well as meeting the sage. That being said, you're probably right. Through a link, I read the thread where you hypothesized the mystery man. I agree except for one thing. I don't think the God tree and Sojobo are seperate forces, but rather, different halves of the god tree itself. I mean, you pointed it out yourself that illusions was Sojobo's specialty right? So then why does the god tree have a flower that does just that? The only explanation is that if your theory is right, then the god tree isn't an individual entity but rather to opposing forces existing in one body.
Your theory is interesting but I really doubt Sasuke will meat the source of evil because he finally showed the resolve to fight for good and his brother's memory . Why would he change his mind yet again when he met with Itachi and knows what his brother wants and that's not him going evil.
So you wanna say.
That Sasuke will turn to other side again.
It would be 4 or 5 time he does that.
And i found it stupid from Kishi side.
Furthermore Person X have scratches on his legs. So he was after fight.
Same as kabuto. And Kabuto not necessary want to kill Sasuke he could want to save him. One simple reason to say thanks for everything he did for him. Because if Kabuto found way out of Izanagi he is a new person. Not insane anymore.
But I prefere that person X is Kisame it wont give much to plot but it would be awesome.
More people posted than what I have quoted, but I just wanted to get what seemed to be the main point yall were making highlighted. That is: "Sasuke isn't evil anymore."
Before I start my rebuttal I need to stress that this idea of "good" and "bad" and "sides" are vague concepts. The author has written to this point over and over, Pain's conversation with Naruto is a perfect example.
With that in mind, I think the people saying "Sasuke is no longer evil" are trying to say "Sasuke no longer wants to destroy Konoha" or "Sasuke agrees with Naruto now" or something in between (correct me if I am wrong). However, if this is the point that was trying to made, I would vehemently disagree. Sasuke has expressed two goals now.
1. He wants to burn the current ninja system down.
2. He wants to be Hokage because he feels the previous are what caused the mess they are in.
2a. He also wants to get rid of the Bijuu.
None of what he has said is at all in compliance with Naruto...not even a little. Him stating he wants to be Hokage means nothing at the moment. It could simply mean he wants to rebuild the village the way he sees fit, with or without the people who currently reside in it. The fact that he stated he wants to change the ninja system entirely leads me to believe that burning down Konoha and rebuilding it is what he wants to do...Not become Hokage and keep things status quo.
I am not sure where people are getting this idea that Sasuke has "turned a new leaf (pun intended)" and is all sunshine and rainbows now. It simply has no bases. Not once has he sided with what Naruto or what anyone else has said. He simply has expressed his desire to start over, and to do that, he needs to first get rid of Obito and Madara, that is the only reason he is helping.
Lol, true. But if it is Kabuto I will personally buy you a premium membership to this site and you can hold me to that. Kabuto is in Izanami, he is not in front of Sasuke. Even if he broke out (and remember what it would take for him to achieve this) , appearing before Sasuke with bad intentions is not the first place he would go.
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