Nagini controversy - #stopasiansubmissivenessinmedia

[Yeah right]

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So people are saying casting nagini as an Asian women perpetuates stereotypes.

J.K. Rowling is being criticized for once again trying to earn “woke points”.

So, what’s the deal? What are your thoughts.

 

[Caliburn]

...how? How did people turn this into a controversy?

We don't know how Nagini will fit into the story.

We don't know how Nagini ended up with Voldemort.

It was explained that Nagini was probably the only living creature Voldemort had any kind of affection for, even so far as going to place a piece of his soul in her. This while he treated all his other servants as disposable tools.

And at the end of his life Voldemort was barely even human anymore, so it's kind of a farce to consider him a prime example of a "white man".

The Harry Potter franchise is located mostly in a remote region of Scotland and focuses on adolescent people from a hidden society. Fantastic Beasts will have 1930's Paris as the background. How or why should any of these have an entire population of asian characters running around?

So they are complaining about something they know barely anything about using reasons that are illogical to begin with. This is plainly absurd. If you're going to interpret everything with a racist perception, even when it's utterly absurd, you're part of the problem. Not to mention it's hypocritical as you imply it's ok for any other ethnicity.

 

[Avani]

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So people are saying casting nagini as an Asian women perpetuates stereotypes.

J.K. Rowling is being criticized for once again trying to earn “woke points”.

So, what’s the deal? What are your thoughts.

Well Nagini ... is clearly derived from a south Asian word Nagin and concept ...... a myth about a tribe of snakes (Icchadhari Snakes) which can change it's shape to humans at will and then back to snake form and are immortal and ageless unless killed off . That they may sometimes take human form to live in human society for prolongated times. Usually if they fall in love with a human or to track and take revenge for murder of a Nag mate. Usually it's a female i.e. Nagin... It's not necessarily an evil personality though sometimes it can be.

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The guy is probably irked that they picked Asian instead of South Asian actor for a negative role. But North east India has this this myth too and they may look like Asians. So...Meh.

 

[Caliburn]

Well Nagini ... is clearly derived from a south Asian word Nagin and concept ...... a myth about a tribe of snakes (Icchadhari Snakes) which can change it's shape to humans at will and then back to snake form and are immortal and ageless unless killed off . That they may sometimes take human form to live in human society for prolongated times. Usually if they fall in love with a human or to track and take revenge for murder of a Nag mate. Usually it's a female i.e. Nagin... It's not necessarily evil personality though sometimes it can be.

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The guy is probably irked that they picked Asian instead of South Asian actor for a negative role. But North east India has this this myth too and they may look like Asians. So...Meh.

Rowling herself said that Nagini was inspired by Indonesian myths and hence it made sense to cast an Asian actress, which it does.

“I feel like this is the problem when white people want to diversify and don't actually ask POC [people of colour] how to do so.

“They don't make the connection between making Nagini an Asian woman who later on is the pet of a white man.

This is what annoyed me the most. Of course you don't make that connection, it's a highly subjective and forced connection that's utter BS.

They might as well have complained about how they didn't cast a real snakeperson.

 

[Avani]

Rowling herself said that Nagini was inspired by Indonesian myths and hence it made sense to cast an Asian actress, which it does.



This is what annoyed me the most. Of course you don't make that connection, it's a highly subjective and forced connection that's utter BS.

They might as well have complained about how they didn't cast a real snakeperson.

Not surprised. Plenty of Indian ancient folklores/myth/legends are mixed with Indonasian and other East Asian ones.

 

[Chikombo]

What is the stereotype?

 

[Yeah right]

What is the stereotype?

Asian women always subservient to the white man.
Think about it. You don’t have to agree. But think about it. When ever you see an Asian woman, she is usually some guy’s “pet”, *** object, or worse. Usually becomes the love interest solely because she needs to be saved.

 

[Chikombo]

Asian women always subservient to the white man.
Think about it. You don’t have to agree. But think about it. When ever you see an Asian woman, she is usually some guy’s “pet”, *** object, or worse. Usually becomes the love interest solely because she needs to be saved.

How is that reinforced cus she is a snake?

 

[Yeah right]

How is that reinforced cus she is a snake?

Well, we have to watch the movie to see everything.

This is just the initial reaction.

But take this gif for example.

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Kinda reminds you when a man walks in front of an Asian woman at all times.

 

[Chikombo]

Well, we have to watch the movie to see everything.

This is just the initial reaction.

But take this gif for example.

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Kinda reminds you when a man walks in front of an Asian woman at all times.

Right she becomes his pet...

I thought it was about her being some contortionsit or ssomething.






Well, just thinking a little about it, I don't think they wanted an asian intentionally cus they thought asians should be pets. I think people are overreacting. It's the same when people thought Black Panther reinforced bad images of Islam cus they had some scene that people thought depicted Boko Haram.

I didn't even think about that, I think people reach too much.

 

[Yeah right]

So no one thinks they have a valid point?

Their criticism is just SJW nonsense?

 

[Chikombo]

So no one thinks they have a valid point?

Their criticism is just SJW nonsense?

I think JK Rowling can sleep alright, she doesn't need to worry about this.

 

[Caliburn]

So no one thinks they have a valid point?

Their criticism is just SJW nonsense?

No. It's complete bogus from people who need to get their heads out of the gutter. Instead of helping to reduce racism, their self-centered arrogance only feeds it.

All we want is just to watch a highly anticipated movie peacefully without someone throwing a tantrum, but then you get people like that who complain purely to feed their own egos.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Well, we have to watch the movie to see everything.

This is just the initial reaction.

But take this gif for example.

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Kinda reminds you when a man walks in front of an Asian woman at all times.

Asian women walk behind Asian men too in a lot of instances, it's engrained in their culture. I think you're trying to force an issue that's not a real issue.

 

[Yeah right]

Asian women walk behind Asian men too in a lot of instances, it's engrained in their culture. I think you're trying to force an issue that's not a real issue.

As the author of the article and others have said,

If there are examples of blatant stereotypes that are being enforced, that is evidence of racism.

So we are just arguing that people need to forget about it even though it is acknowledged.

 

[Chikombo]

As the author of the article and others have said,

If there are examples of blatant stereotypes that are being enforced, that is evidence of racism.

So we are just arguing that people need to forget about it even though it is acknowledged.

There is a difference between being butthurt racism and gonna exterminate and take away peoples rights racism.

 

[chopstickchakra]

As the author of the article and others have said,

If there are examples of blatant stereotypes that are being enforced, that is evidence of racism.

So we are just arguing that people need to forget about it even though it is acknowledged.

How is it a blatant stereotype when Asian women have shown to walk behind men of all nationalities and races? You say it's racist because an Asian is walking behind a white but historically Asian have predominantly had wives walking behind them. The act in and of itself is nothing it is you and/or others who are putting a racial designation on it. Would it be more or less stereotypical/racist if the Asian woman was walking behind a Hispanic male?

Explain to me how it is racist to cast an Asian to play a role based on an Asian story?

Also on this point If there are examples of blatant stereotypes that are being enforced, that is evidence of racism. let me ask and address the Iron Fist issue that came up;

People online wanted an Asian actor to play Iron Fist-Daniel Rand because having a white person "appropriate" Asian heritage is racist. Yet according to your own bit here isn't an Asian doing martial arts "blatant stereotyping"? Are these people who wanted racial diversity now racists in your eyes for typecasting Asians to martial arts properties?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Asian girls can complain about that stereotype but they'll keep on proving it anyways.

 

[Caliburn]

As the author of the article and others have said,

If there are examples of blatant stereotypes that are being enforced, that is evidence of racism.

So we are just arguing that people need to forget about it even though it is acknowledged.

Only there are no stereotypes enforced here. It's not because something could be interpreted as racist, that therefore it has to be considered racist. In fact that there are people whose first thoughts apparently were "oh this is a racist stereotype", while the stereotype in question is incredibly vague and this concerns a video fragment of a few seconds without much context, indicates these people's brains are wired to intentionally see stereotypes everywhere. With other words they are pretty much a certain type of racists themselves and people like that are far worse than the actual stereotypes.

 

[Chikombo]

I hate stereotypes, they scare me, they limit your capacity cus you think you can't do anu´´ýthing you are doomed to live up to a predetermined destiny.