Nagini controversy - #stopasiansubmissivenessinmedia

[Punk Hazard]

Rowling herself said that Nagini was inspired by Indonesian myths and hence it made sense to cast an Asian actress, which it does.



This is what annoyed me the most. Of course you don't make that connection, it's a highly subjective and forced connection that's utter BS.

They might as well have complained about how they didn't cast a real snakeperson.

It's implication. Something doesn't have to be outright, blatantly offensive for it to be a bad look.

 

[Yeah right]

How is it a blatant stereotype when Asian women have shown to walk behind men of all nationalities and races? You say it's racist because an Asian is walking behind a white but historically Asian have predominantly had wives walking behind them. The act in and of itself is nothing it is you and/or others who are putting a racial designation on it. Would it be more or less stereotypical/racist if the Asian woman was walking behind a Hispanic male?

Explain to me how it is racist to cast an Asian to play a role based on an Asian story?

Also on this point If there are examples of blatant stereotypes that are being enforced, that is evidence of racism. let me ask and address the Iron Fist issue that came up;

People online wanted an Asian actor to play Iron Fist-Daniel Rand because having a white person "appropriate" Asian heritage is racist. Yet according to your own bit here isn't an Asian doing martial arts "blatant stereotyping"? Are these people who wanted racial diversity now racists in your eyes for typecasting Asians to martial arts properties?

It’s inky racist if you sssume any Asian dude knows karate. Or if you constantly show the same type of behavior from Asian women in media. Even if they have no association to that culture.

It’s racist to think an Asian American can automatically fight well.

In the iron fist thing. I have no idea about that. If the part could be played by an Asian, why not have him play the character? I’m not fighting for approbation restrictions. I want to be a mangaka, but I’m not Asian. So I can’t really fight for strict appropriation guidelines.

The problem is, we keep having the same behavior showcased with Asian women. That’s the issue. And the Fantastic Beast just adds another to the list.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I hate stereotypes, they scare me, they limit your capacity cus you think you can't do anu´´ýthing you are doomed to live up to a predetermined destiny.

It's just recognizing a pattern. If you notice a stereotype and feel compelled to follow it or worried that you might, that's on you.
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Everyone's so scared of stereotypes being portrayed, none of you are talking about why those stereotypes exist in the first place.

 

[Caliburn]

It's implication. Something doesn't have to be outright, blatantly offensive for it to be a bad look.

Only there is no implication. This is people interpreting something as bad that inherently has no particular reason to be considered bad and if your first impulse is giving forced, subjective and rather dubious interpretations, then you are the problem and not the instance you're reviewing.

 

[Yeah right]

It's just recognizing a pattern. If you notice a stereotype and feel compelled to follow it or worried that you might, that's on you.
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Everyone's so scared of stereotypes being portrayed, none of you are talking about why those stereotypes exist in the first place.

Okay.

Stereotypes can come from cultural observations that are reinforced through media to the point it becomes normalized through active or passive media uptake.

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What do they all have in common? Learned through media because it was “cool”. It sold, so repeated and repeaTed. Because it worked.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Only there is no implication. This is people interpreting something as bad that inherently has no particular reason to be considered bad and if your first impulse is giving forced, subjective and rather dubious interpretations, then you are the problem and not the instance you're reviewing.

Definitely not forced, but I think the casting/role for her was unconscious racism.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Okay.

Stereotypes can come from cultural observations that are reinforced through media to the point it becomes normalized through active or passive media uptake.

Daddy - o
Wats good
What’s up girlfriend?!
Whaz up!!!
Skeet skeet skeet
Facials during ***

What do they all have in common? Learned through mediaz

The current stereotype we're talking about isn't really something the media influenced. It exists even with the few examples of this type of stereotype in media.

I think though, the media helped create it in another way, that really isn't the fault of white people or any form of racism on their part. But rather, Asian girls being impressionable and shallow and having desire to be with white people because they see them on the screen.

 

[Yeah right]

Did anyone see Crazy Rich Asians?

Why was it important?

 

[Chikombo]

Did anyone see Crazy Rich Asians?

Why was it important?

I hear they want Micheal B Jordan as Superman.
And Idris Elba as James Bond.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I hear they want Micheal B Jordan as Superman.
And Idris Elba as James Bond.

Elba would be better than Craig tbh.

 

[Chikombo]

Elba would be better than Craig tbh.

I think Elba would be awesome. I don't know what to say about these castings, tbh, I just wanna stur up the pot by mentioning it.

I honestly think Elba could fit the role, and I don't think he is too old either.

And honestly, Jordan could work as Superman, I could see him do it.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I think Elba would be awesome. I don't know what to say about these castings, tbh, I just wanna stur up the pot by mentioning it.

I honestly think Elba could fit the role, and I don't think he is too old either.

And honestly, Jordan could work as Superman, I could see him do it.

Meh, Superman's a boring character by himself which doesn't really allow an actor to show his skills. For him, I'd say appearance is all an actor has to being a good superman. So in this case, I'd expect it to be controversial.

Bond is all about the character though, and I just think Elba works.

 

[Chikombo]

Meh, Superman's a boring character by himself which doesn't really allow an actor to show his skills. For him, I'd say appearance is all an actor has to being a good superman. So in this case, I'd expect it to be controversial.

Bond is all about the character though, and I just think Elba works.

It would be a little weird seeing Micheal B Jordan as Superman. I don't know if that makes me a racist.

Idris totally has that swagger that Bond has.

I will say, don't know if this is also a bad opinino but Iwould rather see Idris as Bond than a female Bond.

I'm not interested in a female Bond. I'm all for female bond types of movies like Salt or Atomic Blonde but making Bond female is not something I'm intereted. int.

 

[Caliburn]

Definitely not forced, but I think the casting/role for her was unconscious racism.

How? This is complete and utter BS as we have barely any idea what kind of role she will play and how it will influence the story. So it comes down purely to that she is asian and that her character so many decades later somehow will end up being associated with Voldemort. And apparently that's supposed to be unconscious racism? What? You really need to do hell of a lot of effort to see any kind of racist connotation there, explicit, implicit or unconscious.

What if they had casted someone of African descend? Then people would start complaining about her being a slave. What if they would have just casted a white girl? That would have been sexist. And if they casted the whitest of all white guys? Then the LGBT community could start complaining about the offensive representation of gay people as it's beyond all doubt implied Voldemort uses Nagini to relieve his sexual urges. Heck forget Nagini having been human at all, PETA could still complain about how Voldemort clearly used her for stuff that couldn't be considered very animal friendly and thus endorses all pet-snake owners to user their snakes for malicious purposes.

No there is nothing racist here. That's just people interpreting this in a highly forced and subjective manner purely so they could scream something is racist, which in return only reenforces racism.

 

[Yeah right]

How? This is complete and utter BS as we have barely any idea what kind of role she will play and how it will influence the story. So it comes down purely to that she is asian and that her character so many decades later somehow will end up being associated with Voldemort. And apparently that's supposed to be unconscious racism? What? You really need to do hell of a lot of effort to see any kind of racist connotation there, explicit, implicit or unconscious.

What if they had casted someone of African descend? Then people would start complaining about her being a slave. What if they would have just casted a white girl? That would have been sexist. And if they casted the whitest of all white guys? Then the LGBT community could start complaining about the offensive representation of gay people as it's beyond all doubt implied Voldemort uses Nagini to relieve his sexual urges. Heck forget Nagini having been human at all, PETA could still complain about how Voldemort clearly used her for stuff that couldn't be considered very animal friendly and thus endorses all pet-snake owners to user their snakes for malicious purposes.

No there is nothing racist here. That's just people interpreting this in a highly forced and subjective manner purely so they could scream something is racist, which in return only reenforces racism.

Everything you said, each group, has the right to be offended by that. I get it. It sucks because it’s a lose lose. But someone will have to be athe bottom, but we live during a time where people can fight back.

 

[Eos]

Don't see it as racism...not conscious at least. Though honestly I don't see Asian women as you claim them. I know just as many dominant/strong Asian women as I know submissive/shy Asian men, same for other races. And as mentioned, Nagini is Indonesian decent. Why would you choose a white, black, Hispanic, etc actor for a character named Nagini....?

I feel like people mostly try to find something to complain about these days. They chose an actress they thought was right for the role. End of story. If she does a good job portraying the role then who honestly cares? No one complained about Hermione until the Cursed Child. Emma Watson was a terrible choice for Hermione despite her accurate portrayal of the character....Hermione is black in the books.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Only there is no implication. This is people interpreting something as bad that inherently has no particular reason to be considered bad and if your first impulse is giving forced, subjective and rather dubious interpretations, then you are the problem and not the instance you're reviewing.

Calm down, champ. The implication is there in that there is some history of Asian characters playing a subservient role to white characters. An implication does not need to be intentional, either, to be present. That's why I described it as "not a good look." Is it overtly racist, or even intended to be? No, I highly doubt that. But there is such a thing as being tone-deaf, for lack of a better word.

 

[Sagebee]

I don't see the big deal there's really nothing racist or effed up about this at all

 

[chopstickchakra]

I think Elba would be awesome. I don't know what to say about these castings, tbh, I just wanna stur up the pot by mentioning it.

I honestly think Elba could fit the role, and I don't think he is too old either.

And honestly, Jordan could work as Superman, I could see him do it.

All I can see when I see Elba anymore is Charles Miner from the Office. As for Jordan, that'd be a bad move but I also heard Nic Cage was getting a push again and that'd also be a bad move.

As for the race changes both have easily acceptable ways to go and confrontational ways to go.
The easy way for Supes is;
There's already two black Superman's from alternate earths let any black actor cast as Superman portray one of those.
The confrontational way is;
Make him Clark Kent Superman from the main continuity.
The easy way for Elba is;
Make him 007, it's just a code name and anyone can be 007.
The confrontational way is;
Make him James Bond.

If there's a way to give a black actor a role and not alienate a segment of the audience what reason is there to not take that path?

 

[Caliburn]

Everything you said, each group, has the right to be offended by that. I get it. It sucks because it’s a lose lose. But someone will have to be athe bottom, but we live during a time where people can fight back.

Putting aside that the right to be offended is one of the stupidest notions I've ever heard, that doesn't mean something is actually offensive nor allows you to discredit it by claiming it is something it is not.

What these people do is interpreting something in a highly subjective, personal way using little information that is fragmented and then decide they don't like it and use the racial argument just to make their misplaced opinion look more credible. They are effectively raping and abusing the racial argument to feed their own arrogance.

That's cancerous to society as a whole, but it's also counterproductive to the real racial issues.

Calm down, champ. The implication is there in that there is some history of Asian characters playing a subservient role to white characters. An implication does not need to be intentional, either, to be present. That's why I described it as "not a good look." Is it overtly racist, or even intended to be? No, I highly doubt that. But there is such a thing as being tone-deaf, for lack of a better word.

Only that is nowhere implied. That's just a highly forced interpretation some people gave it purely so that they could call it racist, not because it is actually racist. This is them just not liking something and then call it racist pure out of convenience and use that as a pathetic excuse to justify that.

You're effectively blaming the makers for not taking into account a bunch of arrogant egos who intentionally try to see racism everywhere using faulty and retarded logic. That's messed up. The ones who screwed up here are not the makers, but the ones who gave such a messed up interpretation. If that makes the makers tone-deaf, then that makes the critics blind, deaf, dumb and simple.