Nagini controversy - #stopasiansubmissivenessinmedia

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Only that is nowhere implied.
*Ahem* Lemme reiterate: An implication does NOT need to be intentional to be there.

That's just a highly forced interpretation some people gave it purely so that they could call it racist, not because it is actually racist.
Congrats, that's what an implication is.

And since we're using hyperbolic buzzwords, people like you that don't see the implication are just hard-headed and purposefully blind to it to be edgy contrarians. This is fun!

This is them just not liking something and then call it racist pure out of convenience and use that as a pathetic excuse to justify that.
OR....It's not a good look. That's it

You're effectively blaming the makers for not taking into account a bunch of arrogant egos who intentionally try to see racism everywhere using faulty and retarded logic.
Cool ad hominem, great rhetorical skills Cali. That aside, yes, there's such a thing as knowing the audience. When there's a history of a harmful trope in the industry, it's common sense to subvert or avoid it.

That's messed up. The ones who screwed up here are not the makers, but the ones who gave such a messed up interpretation. If that makes the makers tone-deaf, then that makes the critics blind, deaf, dumb and simple.
Incorrect.

If there's a way to give a black actor a role and not alienate a segment of the audience what reason is there to not take that path?
Conversely, if a portion of the audience is ignorant enough to alienate themselves from the work because a black guy is the character now, are they worth caring about? I know from a commercial standpoint, yes, but if a person falls into this category...they're pretty ignorant.
 
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So they are complaining about something they know barely anything about using reasons that are illogical to begin with. This is plainly absurd. If you're going to interpret everything with a racist perception, even when it's utterly absurd, you're part of the problem. Not to mention it's hypocritical as you imply it's ok for any other ethnicity.
But what else would you expect SJW/PC/Feminists to do? Do research and learn facts? what a misogynist you are... (irony, i don't think you are a misogynist) These people do not care where the myth originated or that its a fictional story being written, they want diversity and inclusion and don't care 1 bit about the original story or where the myth originated.

This is a none story made up by ignorant idiots who needs something to be angry about, nothing more nothing less.
 

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But what else would you expect SJW/PC/Feminists to do? Do research and learn facts? what a misogynist you are... (irony, i don't think you are a misogynist) These people do not care where the myth originated or that its a fictional story being written, they want diversity and inclusion and don't care 1 bit about the original story or where the myth originated.

This is a none story made up by ignorant idiots who needs something to be angry about, nothing more nothing less.
You can’t calclthem retards if the examples exist. They are not making it up so they are not liars.

You just disagree with their belief that it has any effect on racism.
 

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*Ahem* Lemme reiterate: An implication does NOT need to be intentional to be there.


Congrats, that's what an implication is.

And since we're using hyperbolic buzzwords, people like you that don't see the implication are just hard-headed and purposefully blind to it to be edgy contrarians. This is fun!


OR....It's not a good look. That's it


Cool ad hominem, great rhetorical skills Cali. That aside, yes, there's such a thing as knowing the audience. When there's a history of a harmful trope in the industry, it's common sense to subvert or avoid it.


Incorrect.



Conversely, if a portion of the audience is ignorant enough to alienate themselves from the work because a black guy is the character now, are they worth caring about? I know from a commercial standpoint, yes, but if a person falls into this category...they're pretty ignorant.
That doesn't even make any sense. It's not because someone interprets something in a twisted way, that therefore anything was implied anywhere to reach that interpretation, especially when you call it not intentional. That's just an incredibly cheap and naive way for people to push responsibilities and blame onto other people and get away with it. That voids the entire point of the concept of "implication". You just made your own statement redundant. This becomes even more obvious by the fact that you don't seem to even be aware of the "implications" of what you just said, which comes down to that you can say anything what you want about anyone else and it's all their own fault.

Unlike you apparently, I place things within their proper context and try to view them for what they are and not forcibly push ridiculous interpretations onto them using "implications" as an excuse. If there are none, then there are none, but it seems you find it acceptable that people can make those up, which then ironically enough creates far worse implications.

Or it's more correct to say that they don't want it to look good. I've already explained this before, but if this was actually true, it would cause you to end up in an endless vortex as you could find reasons to complain about any other person who would have played that character. So your reasoning makes you end up in utter chaos and irrationality where you can only do bad things.

Knowing your audience? I just said this, but if you are going to try to satisfy the whiny bunch of people you try to defend, the only solution would be to not make any movie or anything at all as they can complain about anything they want. Your entire premise is based upon that they are correct, yet any objective approach states that in the very least they don't have even enough information to make such aggressive claims and that their arguments are incredibly shallow and weak.

If you forcibly try to see misconduct somewhere and then complain about it while objectively speaking there is no reason whatsoever to complain, you are a cancer to society. But at this point I'm pretty sure you're doing this on purpose because, as I said before, your own argumentation inherently collapses on itself.

And if you want to whine about ad hominem, don't do it when you just did it yourself three lines before that, but I reckon that's rather symbolic for the way how you tend to reason.

But what else would you expect SJW/PC/Feminists to do? Do research and learn facts? what a misogynist you are... (irony, i don't think you are a misogynist) These people do not care where the myth originated or that its a fictional story being written, they want diversity and inclusion and don't care 1 bit about the original story or where the myth originated.

This is a none story made up by ignorant idiots who needs something to be angry about, nothing more nothing less.
I don't expect anything from them. I already consider such people a lost cause, but similarly as to how the general public makes it clear that flat earth believers are ridiculous, I would like to see the same thing happening with people like these. Instead though they let them do it. Rowling herself indirectly countered it by saying Nagini originates from Indonesian myths, but I find it infuriating that such behavior is condoned way to easily.
 
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This sort of nitpicking is fairly common now in entertainment or just generally. This if anything, in certain cases leads to a very falsified depiction in an attempt to conform towards a set standard. The world, after all, isn't as black and white. This is true in cases of entertainment and the aspects they're presenting.

I have no problem with it, it's funny because let's see gta 5, every store clerk in 7/11 is Indian with an Indian accent. This is usually overlooked and i'm surprised how no one mentions this considering how popular it is, probably due to it's fan-base or the fact the game, it's entirety, is meant to be a parody of american society, so you have that context it's conveying. People need to broaden up their narrative, it's not a big deal. Like come on.
 

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But what else would you expect SJW/PC/Feminists to do? Do research and learn facts? what a misogynist you are... (irony, i don't think you are a misogynist) These people do not care where the myth originated or that its a fictional story being written, they want diversity and inclusion and don't care 1 bit about the original story or where the myth originated.

This is a none story made up by ignorant idiots who needs something to be angry about, nothing more nothing less.
That doesn't even make any sense. It's not because someone interprets something in a twisted way, that therefore anything was implied anywhere to reach that interpretation, especially when you call it not intentional. That's just an incredibly cheap and naive way for people to push responsibilities and blame onto other people and get away with it. That voids the entire point of the concept of "implication". You just made your own statement redundant. This becomes even more obvious by the fact that you don't seem to even be aware of the "implications" of what you just said, which comes down to that you can say anything what you want about anyone else and it's all their own fault.

Unlike you apparently, I place things within their proper context and try to view them for what they are and not forcibly push ridiculous interpretations onto them using "implications" as an excuse. If there are none, then there are none, but it seems you find it acceptable that people can make those up, which then ironically enough creates far worse implications.

Or it's more correct to say that they don't want it to look good. I've already explained this before, but if this was actually true, it would cause you to end up in an endless vortex as you could find reasons to complain about any other person who would have played that character. So your reasoning makes you end up in utter chaos and irrationality where you can only do bad things.

Knowing your audience? I just said this, but if you are going to try to satisfy the whiny bunch of people you try to defend, the only solution would be to not make any movie or anything at all as they can complain about anything they want. Your entire premise is based upon that they are correct, yet any objective approach states that in the very least they don't have even enough information to make such aggressive claims and that their arguments are incredibly shallow and weak.

If you forcibly try to see misconduct somewhere and then complain about it while objectively speaking there is no reason whatsoever to complain, you are a cancer to society. But at this point I'm pretty sure you're doing this on purpose because, as I said before, your own argumentation inherently collapses on itself.

And if you want to whine about ad hominem, don't do it when you just did it yourself three lines before that, but I reckon that's rather symbolic for the way how you tend to reason.



I don't expect anything from them. I already consider such people a lost cause, but similarly as to how the general public makes it clear that flat earth believers are ridiculous, I would like to see the same thing happening with people like these. Instead though they let them do it. Rowling herself indirectly countered it by saying Nagini originates from Indonesian myths, but I find it infuriating that such behavior is condoned way to easily.
This is a splendid example of cosmic irony that you too are lamenting on people crying because they’re ignoring context and didn’t do enough research because that accurately sums up your posts.


It’s very clear neither of you have a understanding of the full context of what the issue is. If either of you did research as you chime in support of doing, you’d know that there is a history of Asian characters playing a subservient role to white characters. This is not always intentional, which is the case with this Nagini situation. That’s because it’s happened so much, it’s become normalized.

Your sentiments about “forcing artists to have diversity and inclusion!” is invalid for a number of reasons. For one, Cornson, your argument about “people care too much about inclusion and diversity over the original story” is a pseudo-intellectual load and a horribly inept strawman; diversity and inclusion are not inherently sacrifices to the story. Case in point, the Last Airbender franchise feature one of the most, if not the most, best cases of cultural and ethnic diversity and inclusion, and it’s simultaneously one of the best written franchises of all time in part because of how inclusive and diverse it is. Diversity only hurts the story when it’s not written well, which is something that can be said about EVERY aspect of a story. This is like pointing towards a movie with bad action scenes and saying “action scenes hurt every movie.” There is nothing inherently wrong about inclusion and diversity in a story.

Secondly, this isn’t a case of an author being forced to be diverse and inclusive in their writing, this is something J.K. Rowling took upon herself to do, and is a trend within the Harry Potter franchise to include more diversity.

The problem people have with what Rowling did is that this particular instance is tone-deaf to the fact that there IS a history of Asian characters being subservient or secondary to white characters. Whether or not you will acknowledge this is irrelevant, it will remain true regardless.

People are saying that if Rowling is going to include or allude to a certain ethnicity’s culture or the ethnicity itself, which is something every author/creator should do, she should be sure to do it in a way that doesn’t further a negative trope.

No one is saying that Nagini’s character is an example of Rowling or the HP team being racist or malicious. What IS being said is that when you’re doing research on a culture or ethnicity to include in your story, you should do enough research so that you don’t place them back into negative tropes or roles that they’ve been placed in before.

That’s why it’s not a good look, and why the portrayal is an IMPLICATION. It being unintentional isn’t an excuse to it happening, and isn’t a valid reason for people to not call it out because it being unintentional is simply a testament to how normalized it has become. It’s been done so often, people are used to seeing it happen that they don’t realize it’s a trope. Which is kinda how tropes work.
 
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