Nagato wins this mid-difference most. Jariya lost horribly to pein, when he was facing only 5% of Pein's offensive power. The second he faced Asura, he got his arm ripped out, and died fairly quickly after that, so he poses no treat to Nagato. Tsunade is slow, and I believe could be taken out by combining human path techniques and Asura path. Orochimaru can be taken care of with Deva path's high tier shinra tensai and Chibaku tensai.
Nagato vs. The Sannin w/o Gedo Mazo
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"Jiraiya fought the Human Path, the Preta Path, and the Animal Path. Being able to beat these three with the help of ma and pa and Hiro don't mean that he's able to hold his own against Nagato.
Why not he is one person still. Nagato's wasn't shown to have better Taijujtsu then J-man. J-man Sage's Taijutsu>Nagato (note that I said in SM)
1. Human Path didn't even use his power, and Jiraiya beat him with a kick in the face, which will never work on Nagato
Because you failed to realize how dangerous it is coming head on to a Sage. Jman beats with one hit to Pain, he can do more then one hit to the original, so yes it will work on the original cause Nagato still lack Taijutsu feats compare to SM.
2. He got rid of Preta by making it absorb his Katon technique, which wouldn't have worked on Nagato, since he absorbs a lot faster than Preta.
How much faster? If he Absorbs massive jutsu it still leaves him open
3. Animal Path didn't even show all of his summons, he used 1-2 at a time. If he'd have used all of them at once from the start, Jiraiya wouldn't have had any way of handling it.
Kishimoto was trying to surprise the audience/readers when revealing only one first. As you continue reading the rest of the J-man battle, New summons can after page after page. It doesn't matter if he summons more then 1-2 times. HE is going to have to anyway since he is fighting 3 people.
4. Jiraiya didn't face the Naraka Path, or Deva and Asura, which are the strongest paths.
Come on now, you are giving Nagato too much credit. There is only proof that he can only do two Path jutsu's at once. He is not multitasking 6 jutsu paths at the same time, this sounds ridiculous.
The reasons he beat those three paths were because of the ones I stated above, and because he approached the paths in the way they should be approached, he seperated them.
He has to separated them because of the Rinnengan's eye camera, stated in the manga, not because he was having trouble. If three people share one eye. how are they going to nail any blind spots like J-man. Sannin's are helping so camera would not be a problem
Whcih won't be a problem for Nagato, since he has all the powers in one body."
Again let's keep Nagato feats by manga he is not pulling all six powers at the same time. Sannin's help makes a big difference
Edit:forgot about your other 3 points, I will edit to reply soon. For now I gtg =(
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"What do you mean by "break" ? Either way, he can't harm Nagato due to Shinra Tensei. And the Swamp of the underworld is also countered by ST. The Preta Path would also take care of the Swamp, since it is chakra infused mud"
This counter was to show that Tsunade have to be release since he is not pulling like 3 paths at the same time. Since Nagato is not Edo he is going to have to be careful with his arms being riped off. Oro sword has flying/levitate feats with hype feats the cuts anything. Although it is hype there is no doubt in my mine cutting Nagato's flesh and metallic arms with ease. Plus you are underrating Tsundae's strength, to think he will successfully chock-lift her and take her soul come, =/. J-man helping Oro leaves no choice but to absorb jutsu so Tsunade can escape, with J-man's help.
"Even if Itachi had been there the whole time, Nagato would have defeated them if Itachi didn't have the Totsuka"
Well duh, because he was Edo, how are you going to defeat edo-nagato with no seals?
and since the Sannin don't have any sealing techs as powerful as that, they won't be able to win"
They don't need seals since he is not Edo
"Cerberus was defeated by the swamp of the underworld, but Nagato summoned him again later, which means that he can summon him back. Nagato also has the Naraka path, so any dead summon can be revived. And I'm not neglecting them, I'm saying that even if they are with the toads, they won't be able to handle all the summons at once."
Underrating them again, when toads went up against it again they had no problem. Now add Oro summons, and Tsunade.
I made a mistake saying clones, I meant to say that they can't handle all his summons. Note that the 6pop are a part of his summons, and if I'm not mistaken, Deva Path broke all their bones with a single move."
They still are not taking this with ease since they have knowledge. Deva did take them out with one almighty push. Summons don't worry with Nagato, only 3 Sannins can deal with that.
Why not he is one person still. Nagato's wasn't shown to have better Taijujtsu then J-man. J-man Sage's Taijutsu>Nagato (note that I said in SM)
1. Human Path didn't even use his power, and Jiraiya beat him with a kick in the face, which will never work on Nagato
Because you failed to realize how dangerous it is coming head on to a Sage. Jman beats with one hit to Pain, he can do more then one hit to the original, so yes it will work on the original cause Nagato still lack Taijutsu feats compare to SM.
2. He got rid of Preta by making it absorb his Katon technique, which wouldn't have worked on Nagato, since he absorbs a lot faster than Preta.
How much faster? If he Absorbs massive jutsu it still leaves him open
3. Animal Path didn't even show all of his summons, he used 1-2 at a time. If he'd have used all of them at once from the start, Jiraiya wouldn't have had any way of handling it.
Kishimoto was trying to surprise the audience/readers when revealing only one first. As you continue reading the rest of the J-man battle, New summons can after page after page. It doesn't matter if he summons more then 1-2 times. HE is going to have to anyway since he is fighting 3 people.
4. Jiraiya didn't face the Naraka Path, or Deva and Asura, which are the strongest paths.
Come on now, you are giving Nagato too much credit. There is only proof that he can only do two Path jutsu's at once. He is not multitasking 6 jutsu paths at the same time, this sounds ridiculous.
The reasons he beat those three paths were because of the ones I stated above, and because he approached the paths in the way they should be approached, he seperated them.
He has to separated them because of the Rinnengan's eye camera, stated in the manga, not because he was having trouble. If three people share one eye. how are they going to nail any blind spots like J-man. Sannin's are helping so camera would not be a problem
Whcih won't be a problem for Nagato, since he has all the powers in one body."
Again let's keep Nagato feats by manga he is not pulling all six powers at the same time. Sannin's help makes a big difference
Edit:forgot about your other 3 points, I will edit to reply soon. For now I gtg =(
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"What do you mean by "break" ? Either way, he can't harm Nagato due to Shinra Tensei. And the Swamp of the underworld is also countered by ST. The Preta Path would also take care of the Swamp, since it is chakra infused mud"
This counter was to show that Tsunade have to be release since he is not pulling like 3 paths at the same time. Since Nagato is not Edo he is going to have to be careful with his arms being riped off. Oro sword has flying/levitate feats with hype feats the cuts anything. Although it is hype there is no doubt in my mine cutting Nagato's flesh and metallic arms with ease. Plus you are underrating Tsundae's strength, to think he will successfully chock-lift her and take her soul come, =/. J-man helping Oro leaves no choice but to absorb jutsu so Tsunade can escape, with J-man's help.
"Even if Itachi had been there the whole time, Nagato would have defeated them if Itachi didn't have the Totsuka"
Well duh, because he was Edo, how are you going to defeat edo-nagato with no seals?
and since the Sannin don't have any sealing techs as powerful as that, they won't be able to win"
They don't need seals since he is not Edo
"Cerberus was defeated by the swamp of the underworld, but Nagato summoned him again later, which means that he can summon him back. Nagato also has the Naraka path, so any dead summon can be revived. And I'm not neglecting them, I'm saying that even if they are with the toads, they won't be able to handle all the summons at once."
Underrating them again, when toads went up against it again they had no problem. Now add Oro summons, and Tsunade.
I made a mistake saying clones, I meant to say that they can't handle all his summons. Note that the 6pop are a part of his summons, and if I'm not mistaken, Deva Path broke all their bones with a single move."
They still are not taking this with ease since they have knowledge. Deva did take them out with one almighty push. Summons don't worry with Nagato, only 3 Sannins can deal with that.
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The only fail is the one who thinks that the Sannin win low diff.looooool you are fail
Nagato beats them with mid diff at most.
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"Nagato's Taijutsu skills are irrelevant due to the Human Path. All attempts to hit him will result in the attackers soul getting ripped out.
You are wrong about these "attempts". When Bee attacked he had to result to Preta path. When Naruto came to help, Nagato's summon helped binded him which he was able to easily use Human.
Also, the Human Path was able to catch Killer Bee when he was trying to jump Nagato, it would be enough to catch Tsunade and Jiraiya, even if he's in Sage Mode".
Nope, It was Asura path. Nagato didn't see him coming. It was King of Hell jutsu and summoning paying attention to Bee, Thus eye camera helped. This is not going to work on Sage Mode, nor will it work if Naruto went Sage in that battle and got hit like that. This battle scene is going to play different vs the Sannin's
"It was able to absorb Bee's cloak in a very short amount of time, not enough for them to use it against him"
Ok, Good catch but Bee didn't have knowledge (OP said Sannin has knowledge). They can still (Or at least J-man) use it as an advantage to keep him occupied, plus it is easier to absorb skin charka then a giant ball
"'m not saying that he can do all the paths at once You're saying that he was able to hold his own against the paths, but the fact is that if he had been facing Deva Path from the beginning, he never would have stood a chance."
It doesn't matter who was there or wasn't, He still counter 3 techs by himself. I'm not arguing that J-man can defeat all 6 pains.
"I don't get that camera thing ? :s You mean the shared vision ? And yes, they would help a lot. If he has his summons and the King of Hell placed on the battlefield, it will be harder for the Sannin to get a hit off on him"
Then you have Sannin's summon to keep them occupied (keep individual visions busy)
The scan you shows them being outnumbered doesn't mean they wouldn't keep up. The question mark was because they actually disappear when Summon path was defeated.
"Huh ? :s"
Summons keep Summons occupied. 3 Sannins worry about Nagato.
"I'm not saying that he's able to use all at once, I'm saying that he doesn't have the same weak points as the paths. Look at Naruto for example, he took the Preta Path out with a Taijutsu move, but that wouldn't work on Nagato since he has the other paths, like the human path and asura path "
Sage mode and KCM has different feats. That is why Naruto in war arc switches back n forth for different feats. So it would work.
"Bansho Tenin and Human Path/some other attack will not take enough time for Oro or Jiraiya to act.
Woahh, I completely disagree on that, unless you provide proof. Also OP says full knowledge, they would use whatever is necessary for that to happen
Remember that when Pain used that combo against Fukasaku, neither he, nor Naruto had any time to react. Also, using the BT/Metal Rod combo against Tsunade will be a big problem for her, since her strength revolves mainly around chakra control"
Naruto ran out of Sage, what can he do at base, plus that was a sneaky move for him to pull, they should be ready with knowledge (just like Tsunade was ready when she put chakra on her feet so she won't get pulled away, I hope you know what scan im talking about). Plus J-man seem fine with they hit him, im pretty sure she was better then J-man, it won't cause anything important disadvantages.
You are wrong about these "attempts". When Bee attacked he had to result to Preta path. When Naruto came to help, Nagato's summon helped binded him which he was able to easily use Human.
Also, the Human Path was able to catch Killer Bee when he was trying to jump Nagato, it would be enough to catch Tsunade and Jiraiya, even if he's in Sage Mode".
Nope, It was Asura path. Nagato didn't see him coming. It was King of Hell jutsu and summoning paying attention to Bee, Thus eye camera helped. This is not going to work on Sage Mode, nor will it work if Naruto went Sage in that battle and got hit like that. This battle scene is going to play different vs the Sannin's
"It was able to absorb Bee's cloak in a very short amount of time, not enough for them to use it against him"
Ok, Good catch but Bee didn't have knowledge (OP said Sannin has knowledge). They can still (Or at least J-man) use it as an advantage to keep him occupied, plus it is easier to absorb skin charka then a giant ball
"'m not saying that he can do all the paths at once You're saying that he was able to hold his own against the paths, but the fact is that if he had been facing Deva Path from the beginning, he never would have stood a chance."
It doesn't matter who was there or wasn't, He still counter 3 techs by himself. I'm not arguing that J-man can defeat all 6 pains.
"I don't get that camera thing ? :s You mean the shared vision ? And yes, they would help a lot. If he has his summons and the King of Hell placed on the battlefield, it will be harder for the Sannin to get a hit off on him"
Then you have Sannin's summon to keep them occupied (keep individual visions busy)
The scan you shows them being outnumbered doesn't mean they wouldn't keep up. The question mark was because they actually disappear when Summon path was defeated.
"Huh ? :s"
Summons keep Summons occupied. 3 Sannins worry about Nagato.
"I'm not saying that he's able to use all at once, I'm saying that he doesn't have the same weak points as the paths. Look at Naruto for example, he took the Preta Path out with a Taijutsu move, but that wouldn't work on Nagato since he has the other paths, like the human path and asura path "
Sage mode and KCM has different feats. That is why Naruto in war arc switches back n forth for different feats. So it would work.
"Bansho Tenin and Human Path/some other attack will not take enough time for Oro or Jiraiya to act.
Woahh, I completely disagree on that, unless you provide proof. Also OP says full knowledge, they would use whatever is necessary for that to happen
Remember that when Pain used that combo against Fukasaku, neither he, nor Naruto had any time to react. Also, using the BT/Metal Rod combo against Tsunade will be a big problem for her, since her strength revolves mainly around chakra control"
Naruto ran out of Sage, what can he do at base, plus that was a sneaky move for him to pull, they should be ready with knowledge (just like Tsunade was ready when she put chakra on her feet so she won't get pulled away, I hope you know what scan im talking about). Plus J-man seem fine with they hit him, im pretty sure she was better then J-man, it won't cause anything important disadvantages.
Sannin win this with Low difficulty, if jiraya was able to take down a couple of paths without information. then with information , he alone can take them down without the need for orochimaru and tsunade in this equation, nagato himself said that, but if they were without information then the sannin would still win but at mid difficulty, as tsunade's lineage signifies her chakra supply and this has been shown too, jiraya in sage mode will brutalize them and orochimaru can do alot of viscous things to nagato and his paths.
Tsunade has shown alot of speed feats, being able to outrun orochimaru despite being low on chakra, being able to outrun a tip top shape anbu despite having almost no chakra, and also being able to block madara's katon before mei finished her handseals, and also being able to protect naruto despite having her muscles torn to ribbons. so those are all speed feats
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Lol, Chibaku Tensei.are you Nagato's Fanboy how he will beat 3 Legendary Sannins mid diff?????????
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OP said they have knowledge, can we make a conclusion that Sannin's are smart enough to break the black orb before trouble?
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Why not? We have three people looking at him charging up a black orb. Why can't they destroy it before it gets out of their range? Then I would see it being a problem if they don't.
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But if Nagato uses Bansho Tenin and then Soul Removal that will kill OrochimaruCT can't kill immortal Orochimaru
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I'm going with the sanin. Most of their attacks aren't based on using chakra energy blasts. Jiraiya has SM, Oro has kusanagi blade and Tsunade uses taijutsu as well as all 3 of them have boss summons. Sanin high diff
You have to take away some very big guns from Nagato for the Sannin to have a fair chance. You did this by removing Gedo Mazo from Nagato's arsenal. However you didn't go far enough; CT can still one-shot the Sannin.
Take away CT then you have an interesting discussion as the odds become more equalised. Though as things stand now, Nagato still stomps for the sole reason that he has Chibaku Tensei. That helps Nagato win pretty easily, for example he could trap the Sannin with CT - 2 out of 3 will die, most probably - then send the rock to space with CST.
If Orochimaru somehow survives and gets out, then it becomes Nagato vs Orochimaru. Quite clearly Nagato would win.
With jutsu like the ones used by Pain Rikudou (e.g. CST), the Sannin can at least help one-another against them; same principle applies to Nagato's elemental jutsu.
Take away CT then you have an interesting discussion as the odds become more equalised. Though as things stand now, Nagato still stomps for the sole reason that he has Chibaku Tensei. That helps Nagato win pretty easily, for example he could trap the Sannin with CT - 2 out of 3 will die, most probably - then send the rock to space with CST.
If Orochimaru somehow survives and gets out, then it becomes Nagato vs Orochimaru. Quite clearly Nagato would win.
With jutsu like the ones used by Pain Rikudou (e.g. CST), the Sannin can at least help one-another against them; same principle applies to Nagato's elemental jutsu.
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CT is not going to one shot nobody, with knowledge (read the opening, they have full knowledge on each other).
Nagato goes down by simply being out numbered.