[VS] Nagato vs. Gokage

[Apêx1]

Being able to see behind him doesn't mean he can visually process Ay's blitz. Faster people have failed to track and react to regular Ay let alone Nagato against a boosted Ay. Onoki doesn't have to react at the very last moment in order to cast his jutsu. If he times it right he can initiate the "command" to use his jutsu before Ay has reached the target so that the jutsu activates at the same time as Ay's strike despite Onoki being too slow to react to his top speed.

Either that or there is a short period of time in which Ay stops so that the heavy weight jutsu can be used, in that case reacting w/ ST is possible if Nagato can see.

Makes sense

 

[KidGamer65]

You're literally helping my point. The force behind his lariat comes from his acceleration. The chakra makes B faster, making his lariat stronger

Don't pull a Tre Mercier and read manga from right to left. It's clear that Nagato was hit then absorbed the cloak.

No, the force behind it comes from physical strength+acceleration. Removing the chakra takes away that strength. The nature of the chakra also makes it more damaging. Removing it takes that away. Thus you are left with a much weaker lariat. Not sure how hard it is to grasp that concept.

I think Onoki managed to react to Ay because all he has to do is feel Ay reel back his arm the moment he begins an attack. That doesn't mean he'd be able to react to a blitz because Onoki can't keep up with Ay's speed.

This is also very likely. Easier to feel him move since he's practically on top of the guy.

 

[Icelerate]

This is also very likely. Easier to feel him move since he's practically on top of the guy.

Also because he's on top of Ay, he sees everything around him from Ay's frame of reference so he'd be able to visually process Ay's reeling back his arm because Ay reeling back his arm hasn't been noted to be too fast to react to. On the other hand, Ay's victim won't be able to see Ay reel back his arm because they won't be able to see Ay, let alone his arms.

 

[Apêx1]

Also because he's on top of Ay, he sees everything around him from Ay's frame of reference so he'd be able to visually process Ay's reeling back his arm because Ay reeling back his arm hasn't been noted to be too fast to react to. On the other hand, Ay's victim won't be able to see Ay reel back his arm because they won't be able to see Ay, let alone his arms.

I'd assume Onoki cannot see anything while on top of Ay's back because to see while travelling at lightened v2 Ay's speed is to mentally react to that speed. He'd probably see a blur, and is basing it on touch as you originally said.

 

[Icelerate]

I'd assume Onoki cannot see anything while on top of Ay's back because to see while travelling at lightened v2 Ay's speed is to mentally react to that speed. He'd probably see a blur, and is basing it on touch as you originally said.

Everything would be blurred except for Ay and Onoki themselves. The Earth is moving very fast but we don't notice it because we are on it, i.e. same frame of reference.

 

[Apêx1]

Everything would be blurred except for Ay and Onoki themselves. The Earth is moving very fast but we don't notice it because we are on it, i.e. same frame of reference.

That's very different. It takes our brain 13 milliseconds to process an image our eyes visualise. If I was to hop on Ay's back and he was to travel 100 meters (Point A->B) in 10 milliseconds I wouldn't know what just happened because my brain couldn't process an image let alone realise my body was moving until I reached point B.

 

[Icelerate]

That's very different. It takes our brain 13 milliseconds to process an image our eyes visualise. If I was to hop on Ay's back and he was to travel 100 meters (Point A->B) in 10 milliseconds I wouldn't know what just happened because my brain couldn't process an image let alone realise my body was moving until I reached point B.

Isn't that what I'm saying?

 

[Apêx1]

Isn't that what I'm saying?

You're saying Onoki can visually process Ay reeling back his arm bro. But everything will be a blur.

Edit: I miscomprehended what you are saying

 

[Lord Tywin]

No, the force behind it comes from physical strength+acceleration. Removing the chakra takes away that strength. The nature of the chakra also makes it more damaging. Removing it takes that away. Thus you are left with a much weaker lariat. Not sure how hard it is to grasp that concept.



This is also very likely. Easier to feel him move since he's practically on top of the guy.

The whole scenario with Nagato absorbing B's chakra played out AFTER Nagano was hit. Meaning B didn't lose any speed or power until his lariat hit Nagato. So tell me how did B lose power and speed when his cloak was absorbed after the impact, and based on both you and me thinking B's power comes from his cloak?

 

[Icelerate]

You're saying Onoki can visually process Ay reeling back his arm bro. But everything will be a blur.

The speed at which Ay moves back his arm isn't anything special because from Onoki's own perspective Ay is stationary and the speed at which he moves his arm is not too fast to visually process.

 

[Apêx1]

The speed at which Ay moves back his arm isn't anything special because from Onoki's own perspective Ay is stationary and the speed at which he moves his arm is not too fast to visually process.

I misread that m8

 

[Icelerate]

I misread that m8

Unfortunately a certain someone misunderstood this and tried to claim Tsunade can visually track Ay just fine.

 

[KidGamer65]

The whole scenario with Nagato absorbing B's chakra played out AFTER Nagano was hit. Meaning B didn't lose any speed or power until his lariat hit Nagato. So tell me how did B lose power and speed when his cloak was absorbed after the impact, and based on both you and me thinking B's power comes from his cloak?

The same way Rasengan lost all power behind it after it slammed into the Deva Path. Because it was absorbed. It being after he got hit doesn't matter. The only difference between these two scenarios as already discussed is that the impact from Nagato's hit wasn't negated as he was still sent flying backwards by the lariat.

-B hits Nagato.
-Preta Path is activated.
-The cloak is absorbed thus it's basically Base B hitting him.

-Ay hits Nagato.
-Preta Path is activated.
-Ay's cloak is absorbed, but Ay's physical power doesn't come from his cloak thus he still gets a hole ripped in his body.

Stop arguing that Preta Path weakens a hit that is mostly physical power and not chakra.

 

[Jhin]

Gokage take this