Nagato v.s 1st Hokage

[Itachi Namikaze]

whatever dude, at least we agree to disagree

I just want someone to tell me how it makes any sense.

First I am going to lay some things out. Do you believe that the manga hypes things/people up?

If not then let me ask you this, do you believe that Hiruzen can beat Nagato?

Ok now to the actual thread. How would Hashirama beat Nagato, if you can give me a single way he can beat Nagato without resorting to "He beat Madara so he can beat Nagato" then I might possibly admit it.

Please tell me something that Hashirama has in his arsenal that Nagato can't counter, or how Nagato's abilities would be useless against Hashi.

I would get to the whole controlling tailed beasts but I am about to make a separate thread about that.

 

[arv993]

How would mokuton control the bijuu? And as far as that goes, isn't the rinnegan better at controlling summons and stuff like that?

I've already gotten into a few debates about Hashi "controlling" the tailed beasts. I feel that some people are taking that statement too literally, if Hashi were able to control tailed beasts it would make almost no sense.

well the manga states that he controls the biju and they specifically put him along with madara, bee and yondaime mizukage, coincidence i don't think so kishi clearly intended that he controlled them which is exactly what it says in the manga as well.

 

[arv993]

I just want someone to tell me how it makes any sense.

First I am going to lay some things out. Do you believe that the manga hypes things/people up?

If not then let me ask you this, do you believe that Hiruzen can beat Nagato?

Ok now to the actual thread. How would Hashirama beat Nagato, if you can give me a single way he can beat Nagato without resorting to "He beat Madara so he can beat Nagato" then I might possibly admit it.

Please tell me something that Hashirama has in his arsenal that Nagato can't counter, or how Nagato's abilities would be useless against Hashi.

I would get to the whole controlling tailed beasts but I am about to make a separate thread about that.

dude how the hell can u say he can't beat someone without knowing all his powers, he is a man who is the leader of senju which is a clan of thoussand skills do u think all he has is mokuton and the manga does state control and it even mentions him along with other ppl who control bijus so i don't see your point. u can't conclude something with partial evidence and don't base things on only assumptions we did not see everything so all u can do is w8.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

dude how the hell can u say he can't beat someone without knowing all his powers, he is a man who is the leader of senju which is a clan of thoussand skills do u think all he has is mokuton and the manga does state control and it even mentions him along with other ppl who control bijus so i don't see your point. u can't conclude something with partial evidence and don't base things on only assumptions we did not see everything so all u can do is w8.

I am 100% certain that he would lose to Nagato. Not even the slightest bit of doubt in my mind. Some people don't understand just how OP the rinnegan is, especially being used with Paths.

Very few people have what it takes to go up against the 6 paths of Nagato and pull off a win. 2 maybe, and they both have at least one rinnegan right now.

No single person can beat the 6 paths + Nagato. Tobi can with his paths probably, and Madara possibly can as well, although it would be harder for him because the paths can be revived while a dead Madara can't revive himself.

Nagato and the rinnegan are underrated.

 

[Lelouch V Brittania]

dude how the hell can u say he can't beat someone without knowing all his powers, he is a man who is the leader of senju which is a clan of thoussand skills do u think all he has is mokuton and the manga does state control and it even mentions him along with other ppl who control bijus so i don't see your point. u can't conclude something with partial evidence and don't base things on only assumptions we did not see everything so all u can do is w8.

Now that you mention this I am slightly inclined to change my opinion, if he has any tailed beasts under his control. If not, then I stand by my decision. If he was against the 'six paths of pein' he would be at a greater disadvantage due to the 'secret', but that isn't the case.

 

[ShinobiX]

Ultimate Nagato shits on the first Hokage, Nagato all the way.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Nagato takes it easy, he absorbs wood release, absorbs tbb and other bijuu attacks and becomes young and gets enough chakra make a Chibaku Tensei for each bijuu and Hashirama without any drawbacks and with the bijuu low on chakra, breaking out won't be possible and the size will be greater since he's doing it by combining tailed beast chakra of diff bijuu.

 

[Gutsy]

we cant say who would win, we dont know much about hashirama even with the bijuu and we dont know much of his ninjutsu, still we know more about nagato, so in this position id say nagato, even though it would be a great battle.

if i knew more about hashirama it would be easier to say who would win the fight.

if we see madara who many say are stronger than nagato, well then hashirama would be stronger but i highly doubt that.

 

[KazekageDaichi]

Hashirama has no rivals.

 

[Uzumaki Hyuga]

Nagato takes it easy, he absorbs wood release, absorbs tbb and other bijuu attacks and becomes young and gets enough chakra make a Chibaku Tensei for each bijuu and Hashirama without any drawbacks and with the bijuu low on chakra, breaking out won't be possible and the size will be greater since he's doing it by combining tailed beast chakra of diff bijuu.

I don't think Nagato can stand the fury of the nine tails while absorbing charkra then advance on hashirama. besides nobody that i know, knows Hashirama's powers. i have no point for Hashirama.

 

[Tosen]

I don't think Nagato can stand the fury of the nine tails while absorbing charkra then advance on hashirama. besides nobody that i know, knows Hashirama's powers. i have no point for Hashirama.

If Hashirama gets ninetails then Nagato gets gedo Mazo with the 1-7 tailed beast power.

 

[Hei]

nagato wins + what others said(about hashirama like we don't know his true power and ect)

 

[arv993]

I am 100% certain that he would lose to Nagato. Not even the slightest bit of doubt in my mind. Some people don't understand just how OP the rinnegan is, especially being used with Paths.

Very few people have what it takes to go up against the 6 paths of Nagato and pull off a win. 2 maybe, and they both have at least one rinnegan right now.

No single person can beat the 6 paths + Nagato. Tobi can with his paths probably, and Madara possibly can as well, although it would be harder for him because the paths can be revived while a dead Madara can't revive himself.

Nagato and the rinnegan are underrated.

nagato can be beaten by tobi and madara seeing they are on another level. but this is hashi vs nagato not pain and if he has that many bijus under his command why can't he win i think nagato is strong but if this situation is presented to him i doubt he would win. But the fact still stands that we can't fully judge this match since we don't have complete info on hashi and only base this on our perceptions of madara.

And as for nagato i think ppl like naruto km with clones can likely beat him. And ppl like madara and tobi have very good chances and kabuto would definitely beat him with edos.

And there are others like itachi, minato would give him a battle of his life and have an edge over him Imo but still around his level.

I don't agree with nagato being only be being defeated by ppl with rinnegan i think others can rival him and even beat him but yes he is undoubtedly one of the strongest characters in the manga.

 

[arv993]

If Hashirama gets ninetails then Nagato gets gedo Mazo with the 1-7 tailed beast power.

u kno why that makes no sense right cos at one point hashi controlled most bijus and nagato later had it in his gedo, u r talking about two different time periods it would make no sense to have it like that and personally hashirama himself caught all the biju and tamed them where as the same is not tru for nagato. But regardless this thread is inconclusive till we get more info.

 

[Tosen]

u kno why that makes no sense right cos at one point hashi controlled most bijus and nagato later had it in his gedo, u r talking about two different time periods it would make no sense to have it like that and personally hashirama himself caught all the biju and tamed them where as the same is not tru for nagato. But regardless this thread is inconclusive till we get more info.

Exactly my point my good man

 

[blazekev90]

Ima go with the 1st Hokage. The reason why we havent seen or heard about his other abilities is because of Yamato. It has been stated that his power is less than half as effective as the, but he uses the same abilities, so consider his wood, water and earth element usage. He has been shown using them all with great ability. Also, it's known that the 1st has total darkness tech. and the body (or something) of the Sage.

 

[junior 20]

Hashirama

 

[Charles Kanuro]

dude

 

[Charles Kanuro]

the

 

[Charles Kanuro]

first