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u knw like everybody else no fight happens like that....whenever someone does a powerful tech the other person always watch so dnt give me that madara will slash him bs
Nagato > Ems Madara (Proof)
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Because Itachi did not try to put him in a visual genjutsu, which he usually tries to do right off the bat when fighting people. So, Itachi must have known that visual genjutsu would not affect rinnegan users.
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u dnt knw all the people he defeated in his past...just like its said kakashi copied over 1000 jutsu u dnt knw all those people he copied from u just knw he copied them....and its wrong of u to assume the ems visual prowess is greater than the rinnegan's when the rinnegan has been stated several times to be the ultimate dojutsu
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oh and u had nothing to say when i found proof of sound genjutsu being > visual....facts are wonderful aren't they
Nagato>EMS Madara. You guys keep saying PS tanked TBB NOOO!!!! he blocked it with his swords, if the tbb hit the susanoo directly it would have done alot of damage. In this case Chou Shinra tensei will not be blocked by a sword, cause first it hits all directions and the sword will only block a small area and it is far more powerful than a TBB. Also GEdo Mazou plus all the summonings vs PS is just way too much for madara. NO ninjutsu will work, and most likley visual genjutsu will not work.
People say the sword will slash Nagato and kill him, FALSE! Shinra tensei can easily deflect it and nagato can also dodge it just like Hashirama was. If Nagato uses Chou shinra tensei it will blast susanoo off or damage it enough for Nagato to go in for the kill. SUsanoo is Madaras only chance of survival and it will eventually be destroyed by chou shinra tensei, Nagato using all the 5 elements, chakara cannons, and the summonings. Susanoo is not invincible and also can not be maintained for drawn out battles, that is why Madara loses.
Madara will lose to a healthy Nagato period
People say the sword will slash Nagato and kill him, FALSE! Shinra tensei can easily deflect it and nagato can also dodge it just like Hashirama was. If Nagato uses Chou shinra tensei it will blast susanoo off or damage it enough for Nagato to go in for the kill. SUsanoo is Madaras only chance of survival and it will eventually be destroyed by chou shinra tensei, Nagato using all the 5 elements, chakara cannons, and the summonings. Susanoo is not invincible and also can not be maintained for drawn out battles, that is why Madara loses.
Madara will lose to a healthy Nagato period
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AlphaScythian
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So are we discussing who's stronger or u want plausible scenario for nagato to win?
Why not madara is asleep and nagato just ambushes him?
In this scenario i will agree with u -.-
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New knight48
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It has never been stated that Nagato is "skilled" in genjutsu. Pain fell under the jiraiya's frog genjutsu what makes you believe he wont fall under an EMS genjutsu? Bansho tenin pulls all matter including the susanoo itself. If he were to use bansho tenin he will just pull the final susanoo form that is giant towards him. I am sorry but EMS Madara>Nagato. Madara is also most likely a genius in combat maybe not in the level of itachi or minato but he will most likely succeed.
ethan201222
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idk why any of this matters..ultimately...you make it sound like madara can't just use his own rinnegan and use all the same techniques nagato has
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:sy: Susanoo swords are less durable than the Susanoo itself as Tsunade broke the swords in half with her bare strength but couldn't even crack the Susanoo the swords came from so the bold is complete nonsense that you pulled out of your arse. CST>TBB? What manga are you reading? CST is tanked easily. Nagato can't even use Gedo Mazo like Obito did due to lacking Uchiha DNA, all he can do is use it for the Soul Dragon which is easily tanked. His summonings are fodder, they can't hurt PS at all nor can they hinder it in anyway. I don't know why you Nagato fans mention his summonings against something like PS nor do I know why you guys attribute Obito's Gedo control to Nagato.
Again, stop pulling stuff from your arse to make Nagato look better. Sharingan has Genjutsu resistance not Rinnegan. Inb4 you say "Rinnegan is an evolved Sharingan" It doesn't matter. Nagato can't use Sharingan techs so he is not immune to Genjutsu.
Nagato with limited mobility jumping around dodging that sword slash? Get outta here. Shinra Tensei has a 5 second cooldown so Nagato's can't spam it as a defense while Madara can use his sword slash quicker than ST recharges since he has two swords.
Here we go, again with the making stuff up. TBB didn't do anything to Susanoo, CST isn't doing squat to it either.
Madara takes this mid diff at the very most. With Kyuubi he stomps.
The stupidity in this post is astounding.
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your wrong. For one, he can pull Madara out of susanoo. Gaara may have got in from the bottom but he still pulled Madara out of the side. Nagato can do this as well.
and if you insist on saying it won't work then chibaku tensei will defeat madara. (rasenshuriken and tbb alone are stronger than PS slash) not to mention they still needed itachis help.
Susanoo is not a factor in this fight, and as I said before Kyuubi is to big of a target. What stops Nagato from summoning the gedo mazo, his dog with Ten heads from the bat to go against it? Kyuubi isn't beating 10 dogs and the gedo mazo, but back to it being large, while its distracted nagato can just pull its soul out.
Nagato can control gedo mazo like obito btw, as it was stated that he mastered the rinnegan. The only reason why he didn't against Hanzo was because he needed to give it chakra. Obito used the one tails for this.
Nagato>EMS Madara mid difficulty
Mastery over yin(or yang he has both) implies he would be good at genjutsu, he's shown he's able to use genjutsu traps in the mind as well.
The difference between a sound genjutsu and a visual one is that it's a lot harder to prevent hearing something but you can prevent seeing a visual genjutsu by keeping out of range or closing his eyes and relying on his linked vision and sensory skill.
Bansho tennin does not pull all matter including susanoo, when deva path did a bansho tenin on a nail stuck in a piece of wood only the nail was pulled out and the wood wasn't moved.
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I've seen this pathetic tactic mentioned more than once despite manga making it very clear that Bansho Tennin can't pull the user out of Susanoo. He will end up pulling Susanoo towards him. Don't mention Gaara cause he needed to hold the Susanoo down with sand AND THEN use the sand that was already at his feet to pull him out.
CT in its early stages isn't taking on multiple PS slashes. They bust mountains with each swing. Thats far above FRS and Yasaka's Magatama.
Gedo Mazo and the dog get fodderized by Madara and the Kyuubi. Dog has no feats that let it even compete with Kyuubi, same goes for Gedo Mazo. (Not like he can use it like Obito)
:sy: Kyuubi doesn't have a soul, its a Bijuu.
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Nope. The only reason he didn't use it against Hanzo is because he CAN'T.
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Madara already stated that you need Senju.Uchiha DNA to control the Mazo correctly. Without both you can't handle properly he stated. Nagato doesn't have Senju/Uchiha DNA so he can't control it as well as Obito did.
The fanboy in this one is strong.
No it hasn't. You should start being more open minded to other peoples debates instead of writing them off as a pathetic tatic. Explain how Pein was able to take a nail out of a piece of wood without touching to wood when he used Bansho tennin, the only way for that to work would be that he held down the piece of wood with another bansho teninn and/or he's able to isolate a target for bansho tennin.
Slicing a mountain is not a mountain buster and when has Madara spammed that slash. What about the tbb?
He has no permanent solution for the multiplying dogs and gedo mazo is no scrub, bijuu's don't have souls which is based off of what?
Madara said you need Uchiha and senju powers, he already has Madara's eyes which count as both Uchiha power and dna. He also has senju power being from senju lineage as Madara described as well as Uzumaki having the main traits that senju have which are high chakra levels and life force. So he can control the Mazo properly.
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