Nagato > Ems Madara (Proof)

[Nagato and Pain]

I will list how Nagato and Pain counters all of EMS Madara's Jutsu and wins against him. This would put him at top 2 of most people's list.

How Nagato counters EMS Madaras Jutsu.

Fire Release Jutsu: Nagato can just absorb all of these.
Pain can use Preta Path to absorb them, or if destroyed be could use Deva Path to use Shinra Tensei.

Genjutsu: Nagatos Rinnegan would probably be immune to the Sharingans Genjutsu, he also is very skilled in genjutsu and could possibly brake out of it.
The same applies for Pain, but if caught, he has shared vision and five other bodies.

Taijutsu: This is obvious, Nagato can Soul Rip, use chakra cannons etc.
Pain has six bodies. XD

Susanoo: Nagato could use Bansho Tenin to rip Madara out of his Susanoo.
The same applies for Pains Deva Path.


Conclusion

Both Nagato and Pain negates all of EMS Madaras Ninjutsu with the use of Preta Path or Deva Path. The Rinnegan has a possible immunity to a Sharingans Genjutsu. If so Nagato and Pain are experienced in genjutsu and have shared visions. Both Nagato and Pain can over power Madara in taijutsu using the Asura and Human path.Both can use Deva Path to pull Madara out of his Susanoo with Bansho Tenin. Madara then would no longer have anything else to use and would eventually be defeated.​

 

[Hypemaster]

Well samehada is above all that.

 

[Arugon]

There have been many threads regarding this topic, but yes, a healthy Nagato is indeed stronger than EMS Madara. He is not however stronger than Hashirama though.

 

[Cfighter]

The only two I doubt is the Genjutsu thing and the Susanoo thing. Nagato isnt immune to Genjutsu, Jiraya proved that, so he could still be affected by that (and the more bodies he uses the greater the risk because of shared vision). And as for Susanoo, I think he would pull Susanoo with Madara to him, cause the point of Susanoo is to protect the user from outside resistance. Gaara got around that by using the sand already beneath him. Aside from those though I agree

 

[-Raviel-]

You mentioned Nagato yet you still mention the 6 bodies.....which is it?

 

[Nagato and Pain]

There have been many threads regarding this topic, but yes, a healthy Nagato is indeed stronger than EMS Madara. He is not however stronger than Hashirama though.

Yes he is stronger than Hashirama, until proven otherwise Preta and Shinra tensei>Mokuton

 

[blacklildudexst]

There have been many threads regarding this topic, but yes, a healthy Nagato is indeed stronger than EMS Madara. He is not however stronger than Hashirama though.

wait whaa how nagato beating madara sunsnoo in anyway and then in full form

 

[Da Best Ever]

There have been many threads regarding this topic, but yes, a healthy Nagato is indeed stronger than EMS Madara. He is not however stronger than Hashirama though.

so how close too hashirama is he then because hashirama didnt have a walk in the park with ems madara

 

[Waltz]

Madara has a blood contract with the kyuubi, hence it is his summon as naruto can summon bunta. Nagato is prone to genjutsu as any normal character and amaterasu has been proven super effective. Things like chou shinra tensei isn't getting pass perfect susano'o, Chibaku tensei rendered useless by PS's destruction incarnate sword swipes which are far superior to a Magmata-Bijuudama-Rasenshuriken combo [

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] not to mention that one of these would finish nagato. True susanoo's unstabilzed form was able to

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a Bijuu-Dama from the kyuubi [

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] with no damage. Chou shinra Tensei would presumably do no harm to its stabilized form; being one of the greatest defenses. Not to mention the possibility of Tenrai Shinsei being a particulary of his Doujutsu. Nagato stands no chance whatsoever.

 

[Nagato and Pain]

You mentioned Nagato yet you still mention the 6 bodies.....which is it?

Both, if you insist on posting anything else other than something nice, I will report you.

 

[blacklildudexst]

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[Nagato and Pain]

Madara has a blood contract with the kyuubi, hence it is his summon as naruto can summon bunta. Nagato is prone to genjutsu as any normal character and amaterasu has been proven super effective. Things like chou shinra tensei isn't getting pass perfect susano'o, Chibaku tensei rendered useless by PS's destruction incarnate sword swipes which are far superior to a Magmata-Bijuudama-Rasenshuriken combo [

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] not to mention that one of these would finish nagato. True susanoo's unstabilzed form was able to

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a Bijuu-Dama from the kyuubi [

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] with no damage. Chou shinra Tensei would presumably do no harm to its stabilized form; being one of the greatest defenses. Not to mention the possibility of Tenrai Shinsei being a particulary of his Doujutsu. Nagato stands no chance whatsoever.

Kyubi is a huge target, it also cant escape CT alone, but soul rip should take care of kyubi relatively easy as its such a big target.

 

[Da Best Ever]

The only two I doubt is the Genjutsu thing and the Susanoo thing. Nagato isnt immune to Genjutsu, Jiraya proved that, so he could still be affected by that (and the more bodies he uses the greater the risk because of shared vision). And as for Susanoo, I think he would pull Susanoo with Madara to him, cause the point of Susanoo is to protect the user from outside resistance. Gaara got around that by using the sand already beneath him. Aside from those though I agree

uh that was a sound genjutsu which is not visual...so no genjutsu that madara uses will work becasue they are all visual and rinnegan>ems and if gaara can pull madara out then nagato can too and nagato could absorb susano chakra anyway

 

[Arugon]

so how close too hashirama is he then because hashirama didnt have a walk in the park with ems madara

First of all, Madara was not alone, he fought alongside the Kyuubi. Also, Hashirama stated on many occasions that Madara knew he could not defeat him. If Madara did not have the Kyuubi, Hashirama would have wiped the floor with him in an instant. Also keep in mind that he was holding back in all of their fights, not wanting to kill him because he still considered him his best friend. Another thing I must mention is that We have not seen the full fight at the Valley of The End, only a few glimpses. Even Edo Madara has stated multiple times that only Hashirama could defeat him, meaning according to Madara himself, Hashirama>Edo Rinnegan Madara.

 

[Nagato and Pain]

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actually, most people agree with me, and i reported you for trolling.

 

[villain55]

Hashi > hashirama though other than that i agree

 

[Da Best Ever]

Madara has a blood contract with the kyuubi, hence it is his summon as naruto can summon bunta. Nagato is prone to genjutsu as any normal character and amaterasu has been proven super effective. Things like chou shinra tensei isn't getting pass perfect susano'o, Chibaku tensei rendered useless by PS's destruction incarnate sword swipes which are far superior to a Magmata-Bijuudama-Rasenshuriken combo [

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] not to mention that one of these would finish nagato. True susanoo's unstabilzed form was able to

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a Bijuu-Dama from the kyuubi [

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] with no damage. Chou shinra Tensei would presumably do no harm to its stabilized form; being one of the greatest defenses. Not to mention the possibility of Tenrai Shinsei being a particulary of his Doujutsu. Nagato stands no chance whatsoever.

boy u are ridiculous ems madara would lose boy u stated everything madara could do and nothing nagato can do...nagato has multiple summons that dog would keep multiplying and he can absorb susano chakra and block susano attacks and soul removal and he can separate madara from susano and if madara's sword swipe is strong enough to stop planetary devastation while he's attacking that sphere nagato will be attacking him..duhh

 

[Waltz]

Kyubi is a huge target, it also cant escape CT alone, but soul rip should take care of kyubi relatively easy as its such a big target.

Maybe you don't understand, Madara is as excellent a long range fighter as he is close range not o mention that he already has canonical knowledge of all the rinnegan is capable of. Nagato isn't getting no where near the kyuubi and not to mention that his extraction methods are time consuming and leaves him open for attacs as he has to remain stationary and if disrupted cancelled entirely. I get your a Nagato fan, but keep in mind that Madara is always a tier above.

 

[Nero Uchiha]

If Madara had his eyes Nagato wouldn't have Rinnegan.... Nagato got his power from Madara.. in reality you are saying Rinnegan Madara>EMS Madara

 

[Mizukage88]

Six paths stand no chance against Madara now healthy nagato has a shot of staling him slightly xD