Nagato > Ems Madara (Proof)

[Da Best Ever]

Makes no difference.

Bear in mind time there is a forced time limit using this technique. During his fight against hanzou, Nagato used the technique for around 30-40 seconds and it put him in a life threatening state. If your referring to Malnourished nagato he'd die once he uses the technique, if healthy, Madara is capable of easily evading the the technique for such short time, not to mention the distance between the would play a major role. Either Nagato will die from his life force and chakra being totally depleted (causing the gedo to automatically reverse summoned) or He'll be forced to cancel the technique in order to save his life.

madara wouldnt be able to reverse summon it because nagato was attached to it when he summoned it...and the difference makes no difference hanzo got away because he used body flicker and left the scene completely madara wn't be leaving the scene and he doesnt knw a jutsu like that that can help him be instantaneously fast for a second like body flicker and had a lot of chakra while he was sitting in that walker as shown when he constantly galavants around all day feeding 6 empty bodies chakra and when one dies brings them back and uses chakra again and despite fighting kakashi and every other konoha ninja including sm naruto and then up to 8 tails kyubi he still had enough chakra to revive everyone in konoha he had just killed which probably nimbers in the low thousands...again child please chakra is definitely not the issue with nagato...try to find something else

 

[Da Best Ever]

This is laughable.
Madara can form PS in matter of seconds. In next second sword slash will be unleashed and kill pain nagato w/e and blow the rest of it away. Theres nothing nagato can do.
No need to talk over other abilities

boy u just need to hang yo self

 

[Arugon]

This is laughable.
Madara can form PS in matter of seconds. In next second sword slash will be unleashed and kill pain nagato w/e and blow the rest of it away. Theres nothing nagato can do.
No need to talk over other abilities

Except for a large scale Shinra Tensei, or maybe just absorb PS entirely. Or maybe if Nagato is feeling up to it and just feels like having a little fun, Summon Gedo Mazo and sit back as it stomps the hell out of PS.

 

[AlphaScythian]

boy u just need to hang yo self

Ur the one with defending nagato.

Except for a large scale Shinra Tensei, or maybe just absorb PS entirely. Or maybe if Nagato is feeling up to it and just feels like having a little fun, Summon Gedo Mazo and sit back as it stomps the hell out of PS.

Big ST isnt big enough for susanoo, after it nagato is sitting duck.
Absorb PS? It will take nagato days, just like whole akatsuki were absorbing bijus.
Gedo mazo is smaller then PS and has no powerful ranged attacks.

Nagato gets raped in under 5 sec

 

[Da Best Ever]

Ur the one with defending nagato.

gedo mazo > ps or kyubi or both at the same time so thats that

 

[AlphaScythian]

gedo mazo > ps or kyubi or both at the same time so thats that

Based on what? It just chakra container. It has no powerful ranged attacks, PS slash will most likely cut it in half

 

[Arugon]

Ur the one with defending nagato.


Big ST isnt big enough for susanoo, after it nagato is sitting duck.
Absorb PS? It will take nagato days, just like whole akatsuki were absorbing bijus.
Gedo mazo is smaller then PS and has no powerful ranged attacks.

Nagato gets raped in under 5 sec

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Gedo Mazo>Kyubi. So How TF is it < PS?!?!?

 

[Penguin]

Madara has a blood contract with the kyuubi, hence it is his summon as naruto can summon bunta. Nagato is prone to genjutsu as any normal character and amaterasu has been proven super effective. Things like chou shinra tensei isn't getting pass perfect susano'o, Chibaku tensei rendered useless by PS's destruction incarnate sword swipes which are far superior to a Magmata-Bijuudama-Rasenshuriken combo [

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] not to mention that one of these would finish nagato. True susanoo's unstabilzed form was able to

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a Bijuu-Dama from the kyuubi [

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] with no damage. Chou shinra Tensei would presumably do no harm to its stabilized form; being one of the greatest defenses. Not to mention the possibility of Tenrai Shinsei being a particulary of his Doujutsu. Nagato stands no chance whatsoever.

Show me Madara signing a blood contract with the Kyuubi. Show me anyone with a contract to the Kyuubi. He could summon it because he put the Kyuubi under a genjutsu? Nagato stands a chance. He stands a good chance at beating Madara. Clearly you are some-what of a Madara fan, so I will not argue any more. (Nagato is immune to visual genjutsu, hence he has not been caught in one, and Itachi did not try to put him in one. Sound genjutsu affects the ears, not the eyes. Nagato does not have Rinnegan ears.)

 

[pandu]

Show me Madara signing a blood contract with the Kyuubi. Show me anyone with a contract to the Kyuubi. He could summon it because he put the Kyuubi under a genjutsu? Nagato stands a chance. He stands a good chance at beating Madara. Clearly you are some-what of a Madara fan, so I will not argue any more. (Nagato is immune to visual genjutsu, hence he has not been caught in one, and Itachi did not try to put him in one. Sound genjutsu affects the ears, not the eyes. Nagato does not have Rinnegan ears.)

It was never stated that rinnegan is immune to genjutsu.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Ur the one with defending nagato.


Big ST isnt big enough for susanoo, after it nagato is sitting duck.
Absorb PS? It will take nagato days, just like whole akatsuki were absorbing bijus.
Gedo mazo is smaller then PS and has no powerful ranged attacks.

Nagato gets raped in under 5 sec

siince when is the gedo mazo smaller than ps??? and deva path took a long time to replenish after shinra tensei nagato as stated by naruto is on a whole different league than from whein i fought pain and the techs are much faster , and anything chakra based can be absorbed and it looks to me like the susano is made up of nothing but chakra so it can be absorbed and nagato could just separate madara from susano with basho tensei and he wasnt a sitting duck u have to remember kabuto was controlling him and dnt say madar's susano sword is more powerful than rasenshuriken which does damage on a molecular level and itachi's attack and bee's attack they used one planetary devastation...rasenshuriken alone is one of the most powerful tech in shippuden so please spare me the bs...susano would be absorb or madara would be pulled from it and it is not invincible anyway nagato does have those mechanical blasts too , man like i said gedo> ps by far

 

[Da Best Ever]

Based on what? It just chakra container. It has no powerful ranged attacks, PS slash will most likely cut it in half

it can use that lightning shit it used to destroy darui whole division and nagato can use that soul removal dragon with it and it covered a wide area just like the lightning attack the gedo used

 

[Penguin]

It was never stated that rinnegan is immune to genjutsu.

Show me a scan of Nagato under a visual genjutsu.

 

[Waltz]

Show me Madara signing a blood contract with the Kyuubi. Show me anyone with a contract to the Kyuubi. He could summon it because he put the Kyuubi under a genjutsu? Nagato stands a chance. He stands a good chance at beating Madara. Clearly you are some-what of a Madara fan, so I will not argue any more. (Nagato is immune to visual genjutsu, hence he has not been caught in one, and Itachi did not try to put him in one. Sound genjutsu affects the ears, not the eyes. Nagato does not have Rinnegan ears.)

If you require validation.

Blood contract because Madara can summon the kyuubi at will.

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Nagato himself isn't immune to genjutsu.

 

[Da Best Ever]

It was never stated that rinnegan is immune to genjutsu.

no it wasnt but nagato was only affected by a sound genjutsu which is the most poweful genjustu as stated by the toad sages and logic comes in affect when comparing dojutsu's rinnegan> ems logic tells us that because the rinnegan is the next level, one would only assume its immune to a lower form of itself genjutsu

 

[pandu]

Show me a scan of Nagato under a visual genjutsu.

Duh?
Nagato never fought any visual genjutsu user when he was alive.
He fought itachi when he was an edo.No genjutsu is strong enough to control a person who is under ET.So itachi didn't try to use it on nagato.

 

[Da Best Ever]

If you require validation.

Blood contract because Madara can summon the kyuubi at will.

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Nagato himself isn't immune to genjutsu. Where are you getting this information?

u cant have a blood contract summoning with a tailed beast...madara uses the sharingan to summon the gedo mazo which has been said in the manga before just like obito using the sharingan to control the kyuubi...u keep trying to prove what your saying but u dnt state all the truth to it...lol try harder

 

[pandu]

no it wasnt but nagato was only affected by a sound genjutsu which is the most poweful genjustu as stated by the toad sages and logic comes in affect when comparing dojutsu's rinnegan> ems logic tells us that because the rinnegan is the next level, one would only assume its immune to a lower form of itself genjutsu

Just because the rinnegan is an evolved version doesn't make it immune to sharingan's genjutsu.
Toads don't know shit about tsukuyomi or Kotoamatsukami.They said that cuz it can be used as a surprise attack as nagato knows that jiraiya can't use genjutsu.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Duh?
Nagato never fought any visual genjutsu user when he was alive.
He fought itachi when he was an edo.No genjutsu is strong enough to control a person who is under ET.So itachi didn't try to use it on nagato.

or maybe he couldnt and your wrong itachi used shi sui's genjutsu against his own ms to break free of edo tensi so your wrong...either kishi didnt want the fight to go like that or itachi couldnt put him under genjutsu...either one is fine with me

 

[Da Best Ever]

Just because the rinnegan is an evolved version doesn't make it immune to sharingan's genjutsu.

i didnt say he was immune is clearly stated the rinnegan>ems which is true is said one would believe that logic and use it when debated such things like what we're are talking about

 

[AlphaScythian]

siince when is the gedo mazo smaller than ps??? and deva path took a long time to replenish after shinra tensei nagato as stated by naruto is on a whole different league than from whein i fought pain and the techs are much faster , and anything chakra based can be absorbed and it looks to me like the susano is made up of nothing but chakra so it can be absorbed and nagato could just separate madara from susano with basho tensei and he wasnt a sitting duck u have to remember kabuto was controlling him and dnt say madar's susano sword is more powerful than rasenshuriken which does damage on a molecular level and itachi's attack and bee's attack they used one planetary devastation...rasenshuriken alone is one of the most powerful tech in shippuden so please spare me the bs...susano would be absorb or madara would be pulled from it and it is not invincible anyway nagato does have those mechanical blasts too , man like i said gedo> ps by far

PS towers over FULL kurama 3 fold. Gedo mazu was punched in da face by hashibi. Hachibi is roughly same size as kurama now.
Gedo mazo is about half PS. Susanoo tanked TBB, ST will do nothing to it. And as i said gedo mazo has no good attacks neither it protects nagato like susanoo does.

Nagato maybe some what stronger then pain but not that much. The fact that he can use all abilities in one body isnt game changer either. God even itachi pwned him. Susanoo is made completely of dense to the point that its solid chakra. Its a biju lvl right there. Nagato will die 1000 times over b4 he absorbs half of it.
Dont even start comparing some human sized chakra technique to PS slash. PS cuts mountains in half for many miles over in split second.

Madara can summon complete susanoo in split second, then 1-2 sec to stabilize it. From here on its a stomp. Nagato had problems with 7 tailed half kurama.