Nagato > Ems Madara (Proof)

[Arugon]

PS towers over FULL kurama 3 fold. Gedo mazu was punched in da face by hashibi. Hachibi is roughly same size as kurama now.
Gedo mazo is about half PS. Susanoo tanked TBB, ST will do nothing to it. And as i said gedo mazo has no good attacks neither it protects nagato like susanoo does.

Nagato maybe some what stronger then pain but not that much. The fact that he can use all abilities in one body isnt game changer either. God even itachi pwned him. Susanoo is made completely of dense to the point that its solid chakra. Its a biju lvl right there. Nagato will die 1000 times over b4 he absorbs half of it.
Dont even start comparing some human sized chakra technique to PS slash. PS cuts mountains in half for many miles over in split second.

Madara can summon complete susanoo in split second, then 1-2 sec to stabilize it. From here on its a stomp. Nagato had problems with 7 tailed half kurama.

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[Da Best Ever]

Just because the rinnegan is an evolved version doesn't make it immune to sharingan's genjutsu.
Toads don't know shit about tsukuyomi or Kotoamatsukami.They said that cuz it can be used as a surprise attack as nagato knows that jiraiya can't use genjutsu.

no it was clearly said sound genjutsu is greater than visual genjutsu and dnt make me go find proof somewhere cuz i will and everybody knws about shi sui and his genjutsu everybody in shippuden has heard of shi sui uchiha's genjutsu...u can save thats shhhh, your right about it surprising nagato but dnt say they didnt knw about shi sui everybody knew about him and his abilities just like everybody knew about itachi they where always mentioned in the same light...duhhh

 

[pandu]

or maybe he couldnt and your wrong itachi used shi sui's genjutsu against his own ms to break free of edo tensi so your wrong...either kishi didnt want the fight to go like that or itachi couldnt put him under genjutsu...either one is fine with me

I'll try to explain it to you.
Edo tensei can be used to control the minds of the summons according to the users will.So the summons mind is controlled by the user.
What is the basic principle of genjutsu??It effects the flow of chakra in a persons brain.Itachi himself was under ET.He had to break free of it.So his only option was to use KA which is even stronger than ET at controlling people's minds.He didn't use it on Nagato because shisui's eye takes another decade to activate.He knows that tsukuyomi isn't as powerful as KA.He didn't use it.
A non edo nagato is vulnerable to genjutsu especially to special techs like Tsukuyomi or KA.Rinnegan doesn't make a person immune to genjutsu.

 

[EPICMenma]

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[AlphaScythian]

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Just :stfu: with ur lame images of dumb president
I can link pics too loser

 

[Da Best Ever]

PS towers over FULL kurama 3 fold. Gedo mazu was punched in da face by hashibi. Hachibi is roughly same size as kurama now.
Gedo mazo is about half PS. Susanoo tanked TBB, ST will do nothing to it. And as i said gedo mazo has no good attacks neither it protects nagato like susanoo does.

Nagato maybe some what stronger then pain but not that much. The fact that he can use all abilities in one body isnt game changer either. God even itachi pwned him. Susanoo is made completely of dense to the point that its solid chakra. Its a biju lvl right there. Nagato will die 1000 times over b4 he absorbs half of it.
Dont even start comparing some human sized chakra technique to PS slash. PS cuts mountains in half for many miles over in split second.

Madara can summon complete susanoo in split second, then 1-2 sec to stabilize it. From here on its a stomp. Nagato had problems with 7 tailed half kurama.

man shinra tensei is a gravitational attack it will force anything back if somehow the ps is one with the earth then no shinra tensi wont work but its not so it will blow his ass back like everything else...oh and naruto seems to differ naruto clearly said nagato is on another league than from when i fought pain...the ps towers over kurama boy u cant find that anywhere in the world quit exaggerating and making up stuff...nagato still can block or absorb it either way he stops that susano sword and nagato didnt have problems with 7 tails deva path force kyuubi to 8 tails and nagato is not pain as stated by naruto when he told itachi he is on a different league than pain
and i think being able to take someone soul away is a great technique thats what nagato can do with the gedo mazo and the gedo can use that lightning tech which destroyed darui's whole division...u are something else smdh

 

[pandu]

no it was clearly said sound genjutsu is greater than visual genjutsu and dnt make me go find proof somewhere cuz i will and everybody knws about shi sui and his genjutsu everybody in shippuden has heard of shi sui uchiha's genjutsu...u can save thats shhhh, your right about it surprising nagato but dnt say they didnt knw about shi sui everybody knew about him and his abilities just like everybody knew about itachi they where always mentioned in the same light...duhhh

It was never said that sound genjutsu>visual genjutsu.
What I meant was that the toads don't know about the manipulative powers of tsukuyomi and KA.They said that because that is the strongest genjutsu THEY can use.It doesn't mean frog song>Tsukuyomi or KA.

 

[Penguin]

Duh?
Nagato never fought any visual genjutsu user when he was alive.
He fought itachi when he was an edo.No genjutsu is strong enough to control a person who is under ET.So itachi didn't try to use it on nagato.

You can put an Edo under a visual genjutsu. Laugh out Loud. Nagato is immune to visual genjutsu. Show me a scan of him under a visual genjutsu and I will say Madara beats him.

You cannot have a blood contract with the Tailed Beasts btw.

 

[Da Best Ever]

I'll try to explain it to you.
Edo tensei can be used to control the minds of the summons according to the users will.So the summons mind is controlled by the user.
What is the basic principle of genjutsu??It effects the flow of chakra in a persons brain.Itachi himself was under ET.He had to break free of it.So his only option was to use KA which is even stronger than ET at controlling people's minds.He didn't use it on Nagato because shisui's eye takes another decade to activate.He knows that tsukuyomi isn't as powerful as KA.He didn't use it.
A non edo nagato is vulnerable to genjutsu especially to special techs like Tsukuyomi or KA.Rinnegan doesn't make a person immune to genjutsu.

u just proved your self wrong your the one who said genjutsu dnt work on edo's yet ka is a genjutsu which itachi used one himself...smdh...so tsukoyomi cant effect nagato but ka can but ka isnt itachi's tech so he cant use it...and no where does it say an edo cant be put under genjustu??? u can t find that shhh anywhere...again u want to prove your point but u lack facts so u add n your own two cents...again smdh

 

[pandu]

You can put an Edo under a visual genjutsu. Laugh out Loud. Nagato is immune to visual genjutsu. Show me a scan of him under a visual genjutsu and I will say Madara beats him.

You cannot have a blood contract with the Tailed Beasts btw.

Show me a scan of nagato fighting a sharingan user when he was alive.

 

[Da Best Ever]

It was never said that sound genjutsu>visual genjutsu.
What I meant was that the toads don't know about the manipulative powers of tsukuyomi and KA.They said that because that is the strongest genjutsu THEY can use.It doesn't mean frog song>Tsukuyomi or KA.

Shikamaru Nara states that among genjutsu the most dangerous are those that affect the opponent with sound allowing the user to stay out of sight. Tayuya is a great example of this sound-based, long-range type of combat.chapter 214 pages 13-14 shikakmaru said sound is the most deadly

 

[Da Best Ever]

Show me a scan of nagato fighting a sharingan user when he was alive.

hell itachi and obito killed them all...and sharingan user and there is other types of visual genjutsu like the second mizukage's or hanzo's salamander ibuki user a visual genjutsu so he doesnt have to fight a uchiha to experience a visual genjutsu...i came with facts agian

 

[pandu]

u just proved your self wrong your the one who said genjutsu dnt work on edo's yet ka is a genjutsu which itachi used one himself...smdh...so tsukoyomi cant effect nagato but ka can but ka isnt itachi's tech so he cant use it...and no where does it say an edo cant be put under genjustu??? u can t find that shhh anywhere...again u want to prove your point but u lack facts so u add n your own two cents...again smdh

I said if a genjustu is strong enough it can break ET.Read my post again.Edos can be put under genjustu when their mind is NOT controlled

 

[Penguin]

Show me a scan of nagato fighting a sharingan user when he was alive.

Counter my question with your own question? I do not need to. Until he is caught in a visual genjutsu, we must assume that he is immune to it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

man shinra tensei is a gravitational attack it will force anything back if somehow the ps is one with the earth then no shinra tensi wont work but its not so it will blow his ass back like everything else...oh and naruto seems to differ naruto clearly said nagato is on another league than from when i fought pain...the ps towers over kurama boy u cant find that anywhere in the world quit exaggerating and making up stuff...nagato still can block or absorb it either way he stops that susano sword and nagato didnt have problems with 7 tails deva path force kyuubi to 8 tails and nagato is not pain as stated by naruto when he told itachi he is on a different league than pain
and i think being able to take someone soul away is a great technique thats what nagato can do with the gedo mazo and the gedo can use that lightning tech which destroyed darui's whole division...u are something else smdh

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Just look at it. Its only upper part of susanoo and its almost as tall as full kurama. Now add lower torso then legs etc.
Shinra tensei will not succeed where TBB failed, not to mention he has to fly up to take full effect of it. Nagato wasnt that much stronger if itachi could own him.
Ur delusion to think nagato can do something.
Nagato's best move indeed would be soul eating dragon. But by the time he summons gedo mazo gets impaled by black rods and dragon even begins to reach susanoo he will get owned by PS slashes. Cuz if madara destroys gedo mazo, dragon will be cancelled, and while performing this jutsu nagato cant move or do anything else even magatamas at 1st second will finish him.

 

[pandu]

hell itachi and obito killed them all...and sharingan user and there is other types of visual genjutsu like the second mizukage's or hanzo's salamander ibuki user a visual genjutsu so he doesnt have to fight a uchiha to experience a visual genjutsu...i came with facts agian

Nagato didn't even fight those who you mentioned except hanzo.Hanzo didn't use genjutsu in that fight.So where did it say that nagato is immune to visual genjutsu??

 

[Penguin]

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Just look at it. Its only upper part of susanoo and its almost as tall as full kurama. Now add lower torso then legs etc.
Shinra tensei will not succeed where TBB failed, not to mention he has to fly up to take full effect of it. Nagato wasnt that much stronger if itachi could own him.
Ur delusion to think nagato can do something.
Nagato's best move indeed would be soul eating dragon. But by the time he summons gedo mazo gets impaled by black rods and dragon even begins to reach susanoo he will get owned by PS slashes. Cuz if madara destroys gedo mazo, dragon will be cancelled, and while performing this jutsu nagato cant move or do anything else even magatamas at 1st second will finish him.

I see a red X. Point invalid.

 

[Da Best Ever]

I said if a genjustu is strong enough it can break ET.Read my post again.Edos can be put under genjustu when their mind is NOT controlled

boy lololololol itachi used ka while he was an edo to break free of et...or are u saying they cant be put under while kabuto has binded them completely??? either way u are wrong and it doesnt say it anywhere that they cant while being binded completely if every other type of shinobi combat can be used against them then genjutsu can be as well and if itachi could have used a genjutsu against nagato he would have done so while they where both alive to stop akatsuki as that was his real agenda to protect the shinobi world so he could have done it then right??? nope because he couldnt why either kishi didnt want it to go down like that or nagato is immune to it either way thats fine with me...

 

[Da Best Ever]

Nagato didn't even fight those who you mentioned except hanzo.Hanzo didn't use genjutsu in that fight.So where did it say that nagato is immune to visual genjutsu??

i didnt say that he fought them or that hanzo used genjutsu against him i only stated that there were other people who could use visual genjutsu because u said when has he fought a sharingan user

and where does it say he isnt immune to visual genjutsu

 

[pandu]

Counter my question with your own question? I do not need to. Until he is caught in a visual genjutsu, we must assume that he is immune to it.

That is what I was talking about.He didn't even fight anyone with visual genjutsu when he was not an edo.How can you assume he is immune to it??