Nagato easy way to defeat perfect susanoo

[TheSages456]

No. The size is absolutely irrelevant. It is the amount of chakra which is important. The more chakra, the longer it takes to absorb. If you have one 'calorie' worth of chakra, and it is spread over 100 square meters, it will be devoured instantly. If you have 100 'calories' worth of chakra in one square meter, it will take slightly longer. This is why Naruto's claim that Nagato's techniques are "one a way higher level" seems all the more impressive. He was able to absorb that much chakra that quickly. While the Perfect Susanoo may be great in size, it is not great in chakra when compared to a complete Bijuu. It may be around the same amount Bee had in his V2 cloak. I already explained how it is made up of even less than Madara's chakra reserve. Nagato already swiped this chakra instantaneously. He will eat up the Susanoo in a time period of seconds.

here preta path absorbs jiraiyas ultimate rasengan.

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here he absorbs bees cloak

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which has more chakra? bees bijuu cloak. which took longer to absorb? jiraiyas rasengan

the size of the technique matters.

 

[OnPoint]

It is the complete opposite. You are actually saying that you could drink 5 liter water faster than a cup of cola, since the water has less calories, like Susanoo has less chakra than the Biju cloak. Amount is just a synonym for scope, the larger an object, or Ninjutsu ist, the longer time you have to take in order to eat, or to absorb it. No matter how much Chakra the Biju cloak actually has, it is human sized, while Susanoo has the size of Gedo Mazo. Do you need more time for eating a chocolate bar than to eat a watermelon because of the amount of calories? In fact the amount, or the scope of the technique plays the main roll, because you can't absorb something like this instantly, because the amount of this object is just overwhelming.

And besides, how can you actually say how much Chakra a Bijucloak has? In fact the cloak hasn't nearly the amount of Chakra a Biju have. Be is just taking a small part of Hachibis Chakra to pull it over him, similarly when Naruto is taking a bit of Kuramas Chakra in order to cover himself with it.

And if you say that Preta Path can absorb a Biju cloak instantly, let you know that Samehada did this job as well.

Actually, I think a comparison between drinking a litre of water and a cup of acid would be more fitting.

It seems we have opposing views and there is unlikely to be a compromise. I do, however, know that my explanation is the more logical and suitable. Preta Path doesn't absorb 'matter' or 'space' - it simply absorbs chakra. The more chakra, the longer it takes. 'matter' or size is completely irrelevant.

 

[OnPoint]

here preta path absorbs jiraiyas ultimate rasengan.

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here he absorbs bees cloak

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which has more chakra? bees bijuu cloak. which took longer to absorb? jiraiyas rasengan

the size of the technique matters.

Comparing apples with pears is futile. Naruto already stated that Nagato's techniques were on a way higher level than Pain's, so to present an argument which uses Preta Path in that form is pointless.

 

[TheSages456]

Comparing apples with pears is futile. Naruto already stated that Nagato's techniques were on a way higher level than Pain's, so to present an argument which uses Preta Path in that form is pointless.

preta path is preta path. how is its strength going to increase. thats like saying that the strength of nagatos summons increase because he summons them using his own body instead of with the paths.

 

[Strict]

Actually, I think a comparison between drinking a litre of water and a cup of acid would be more fitting.

Even if it would be uranium, you would still drink this amount faster than 5 liter, though you will die after :b.

The more chakra, the longer it takes

Exactly. And the amount (size) of the perfect Susanoo is larger than that of the human sized cloak, whether it is Biju Chakra or something else. And since it is larger, it takes longer. The amount of something has in this case nothing to do with the matter or the source from which it is, it is the amount which determines the length, similarly when you would drink 5 liter water in hours while drinking a cup of whatever, Biju piss in a second. I think we basically agree.

And now I'm going to bed :b.

 

[OnPoint]

preta path is preta path. how is its strength going to increase. thats like saying that the strength of nagatos summons increase because he summons them using his own body instead of with the paths.

Perhaps you should reread the manga or look at what I said. The techniques are one a 'higher level' - this refers to not only their strength, but speed etc. So Nagato is able to absorb things at a much faster rate than Pain, that much is clear to us.

Even if it would be uranium, you would still drink this amount faster 5 liter, though you will die after :b.


Exactly. And the amount (size) of the perfect Susanoo is larger than that of the human sized cloak, whether it is Biju Chakra or something else. And since it is larger, it takes longer. The amount of something has in this case nothing to do with the matter or the source from which it is, it is the amount which determines the length, similarly when you would drink 5 liter water in hours while drinking a cup of whatever, Biju piss in a second. I think we basically agree.

And now I'm going to bed :b.

Again, you are saying that the more chakra something has, the larger it will be. And again, this is not correct. Chakra can be condensed into many different forms, such that smaller things can have more chakra than larger things. Preta Path has no interest in the size of its target; it only has eyes for the amount of chakra it is trying to absorb. Susanoo, as I have said, is probably not even made up of half of Madara's chakra. And Madara's chakra is not comparable to that of a Bijuu.

But we are going around in circles and I don't think we will agree ;p

 

[TheSages456]

Perhaps you should reread the manga or look at what I said. The techniques are one a 'higher level' - this refers to not only their strength, but speed etc. So Nagato is able to absorb things at a much faster rate than Pain, that much is clear to us.



Again, you are saying that the more chakra something has, the larger it will be. And again, this is not correct. Chakra can be condensed into many different forms, such that smaller things can have more chakra than larger things. Preta Path has no interest in the size of its target; it only has eyes for the amount of chakra it is trying to absorb. Susanoo, as I have said, is probably not even made up of half of Madara's chakra. And Madara's chakra is not comparable to that of a Bijuu.

But we are going around in circles and I don't think we will agree ;p

continue to live being wrong. it seems as if you wont change your mind.

 

[OnPoint]

continue to live being wrong. it seems as if you wont change your mind.

I assure you, you won't be the one to change my mind. You'll have to do much better :b

 

[Strict]

Firstly it is a mere assumption how much Chakra a Biju cloak possesses, since it is not nearly the Chakra of a whole Biju, after all Samehada absorbed the Biju cloak with one swing, even faster than Preta Path. And secondly since Susanoo is larger, it will obviously take more time to absorb it. I don't know why you keep saying that that the Biju cloak is the larger amount since it is Biju chakra, you compare a drop with an ocean. Fact is, the Biju cloak is human sized, thus making it easy to absorb it. It is just like a normal cloak you are taking off from a person, no matter whether it is Biju Chakra or human chakra, the size in which the Chakra is converted is human sized, while the Chakra from Susanoo is converted into a huge Samurai which consists out of multiple stages.

 

[OnPoint]

Firstly it is a mere assumption how much Chakra a Biju cloak possesses, since it is not nearly the Chakra of a whole Biju, after all Samehada absorbed the Biju cloak with one swing, even faster than Preta Path. And secondly since Susanoo is larger, it will obviously take more time to absorb it. I don't know why you keep saying that that the Biju cloak is the larger amount since it is Biju chakra, you compare a drop with an ocean. Fact is, the Biju cloak is human sized, thus making it easy to absorb it. It is just like a normal cloak you are taking off from a person, no matter whether it is Biju Chakra or human chakra, the size in which the Chakra is converted is human sized, while the Chakra from Susanoo is converted into a huge Samurai which consists out of multiple stages.

I don't understand your obsession with the size of what is being absorbed. Bigger things do not necessarily have more chakra. And the only thing Preta Path is concerned about is the amount of chakra it is trying to absorb. It is likely, as i've said, that that Perfect Susanoo doesn't even take up half of Madara's chakra, considering he was able to use other techniques against Hashirama, and most likely used Perfect Susanoo as a last resort. Therefore, the amount of chakra in Perfect Susanoo is being vastly overrated by many. There is alot of chakra in that v2 cloak, understand this; it is comparable to that of Perfect Susanoo. Nagato will have little trouble swiping away this chakra.

 

[Eevee]

When people talk about these type of things why do they always think that the person who is getting attacked is just going to stand there and let it happened?

 

[Strict]

The size in which it is converted makes the difference. Even if the Biju cloak has more Chakra than the perfect Susanoo, it is converted into a small form, making it easier to absorb it. Just like when you are drinking something. 100 calories can be 'converted' into a cup of cola which you can drink (absorb) in a matter of seconds, but 100 calories can also be converted into 5 liter water, the same numbers of calories but the amount determines the time you will need to drink it. This is just the same thing, the Biju cloak is human sized and thus easier to absorb than a far larger amount of Chakra.

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Do you see the difference? The Rasenshuriken is absorbed far faster than the Chou Oodama Rasengan, since the size which has to be absorbed is larger. The type and dense of the Chakra is secondary, the important thing for Preta-Path is the size in which it is converted; and as you see in my examples, the same Preta Path needs for one technique more time than for the other, since the size differs.

And for the example with Nagato, even if his techniques are faster and stronger, the difference can't be that great if we compare the time Nagato needed in order to absorb the Biju cloak with the time Preta needed to only absorb one Oodama Rasengan. The difference is smaller than you actually think, Deva-Paths power could also destroy a whole village.

And if you think rationally you will realize that I am right.

 

[OnPoint]

The size in which it is converted makes the difference. Even if the Biju cloak has more Chakra than the perfect Susanoo, it is converted into a small form, making it easier to absorb it. Just like when you are drinking something. 100 calories can be 'converted' into a cup of cola which you can drink (absorb) in a matter of seconds, but 100 calories can also be converted into 5 liter water, the same numbers of calories but the amount determines the time you will need to drink it. This is just the same thing, the Biju cloak is human sized and thus easier to absorb than a far larger amount of Chakra.

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Do you see the difference? The Rasenshuriken is absorbed far faster than the Chou Oodama Rasengan, since the size which has to be absorbed is larger. The type and dense of the Chakra is secondary, the important thing for Preta-Path is the size in which it is converted; and as you see in my examples, the same Preta Path needs for one technique more time than for the other, since the size differs.

And for the example with Nagato, even if his techniques are faster and stronger, the difference can't be that great if we compare the time Nagato needed in order to absorb the Biju cloak with the time Preta needed to only absorb one Oodama Rasengan. The difference is smaller than you actually think, Deva-Paths power could also destroy a whole village.

And if you think rationally you will realize that I am right.

The flaw in your argument is that you have used Pain as an example, which is a no no. Also, Chou Odama Rasengan has more chakra than Rasen-Shuriken :\ In this case, it just happened to be bigger also, which is the reason you think it took longer to absorb. Incorrect. It simply has more chakra in it than FRS, just that Naruto's jutsu has Wind Nature infused in it, so it may be more powerful.

Concerning Nagato, perhaps you are underrating the step up between his power and Pain's. Deva could indeed destroy a village. What could Nagato do? I do not want to know.

 

[Strict]

However it is just logical that larger amounts take more time to be absorbed. This is just like you can't drink a bucket with water in two seconds, though it has no calories but is mere water.

Secondly we don't know how much Chakra Susanoo actually has, maybe far more than a Biju cloak has. The Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan allows the user to use his Mangekyou techniques with a minimum waste of Chakra. And the size of Susanoo actually doesn't matter since it is active until the user is running out of his own Chakra.

This size is just unreal, Preta-Path always absorbed Ninjutsus which were in the size about a human, larger sized Ninjutsus took therefore more time, such as the Chou Oodama Rasengan.

And further you can only claim how much Nagato is superior to Pain.

And besides, do you realize that Nagato absorbed the cloak after being directly hit by Bee? What happens if he will be hit by Susanoo, which can slide mountains in half?

Your posts have many flaws, you overestimate Preta-Path by believing that he could absorb Ninjutsus regardless of the size in an instant, this is wrong.

 

[OnPoint]

However it is just logical that larger amounts take more time to be absorbed. This is just like you can't drink a bucket with water in two seconds, though it has no calories but is mere water.

Secondly we don't know how much Chakra Susanoo actually has, maybe far more than a Biju cloak has. The Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan allows the user to use his Mangekyou techniques with a minimum waste of Chakra. And the size of Susanoo actually doesn't matter since it is active until the user is running out of his own Chakra.

This size is just unreal, Preta-Path always absorbed Ninjutsus which were in the size about a human, larger sized Ninjutsus took therefore more time, such as the Chou Oodama Rasengan.

And further you can only claim how much Nagato is superior to Pain.

And besides, do you realize that Nagato absorbed the cloak after being directly hit by Bee? What happens if he will be hit by Susanoo, which can slide mountains in half?

Your posts have many flaws, you overestimate Preta-Path by believing that he could absorb Ninjutsus regardless of the size in an instant, this is wrong.

A bucket of water, or a bottle of acid? I think it's obvious which one will be consumed quicker.

Susanoo is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra, so it is made up of easily less than Madara's full chakra reserve. Is Madara known for having Bijuu like chakra reserves? No.

I claim that because I am correct :\

You are now clutching at straws, if Nagato begins to absorb Susanoo at any point, there will be no Susanoo there to attack him after a couple of seconds.

 

[Strict]

Acid? Are you basically saying that Biju Chakra is harmful for Nagato? Since this isn't the case your example has no value.

And I'm done anyways, I've posted enough here :b.

 

[OnPoint]

Acid? Are you basically saying that Biju Chakra is harmful for Nagato? Since this isn't the case your example has no value.

And I'm done anyways, I've posted enough here :b.

Er, no. There is a greater amount of water, but it is weak - it has less chakra. There is a smaller amount of acid, but it is strong - it has more chakra.

Atta way to accept defeat :b

 

[iEspada]

lol i could slap u against a wall when im readying what kind of shit you actually talking about. madara is a pimple on susanoos forehead and so nagato. susanoos finger is 50 times bigger than a human and you keep talking bullshit that preta absorbs it in a second or whatever. susanoo doesnt ven need his offense power, my god nagato is an insect infront of it with a preta path, susanoo would have to be careful to not crush him by walking. and if preta absorbs this susanoo in a fes seconds, susanoos slash can cut in half the earth. dont talk bullshit man, susanoo has the size of a mountain and a power stronger than a biju, if it cut mountains in half nagato is nothing but a piece of shit, his preta path wont protect him.