Nagato can easily break Tsukuyomi

[The Eye]

There are certain things you shouldnt include when you speak of the sage. Secondly its his blood, his abilities than run through the veins of these clans so no tsukuyomi or any other eye technique would fail when it comes to the sage

wouldnt nagato being able to use his other bodies to see can tell when they are being placed in a genjutsu. But it wouldnt put him in a genjutsu, jut alert him that they are.

 

[Maunten]

Good point I accept this
But then genjutsu affects people's mind and senses so if the bodies were affected shouldnt they have one?

Genjutsu effects chakra.

 

[Bogard]

Good point I accept this
But then genjutsu affects people's mind and senses so if the bodies were affected shouldnt they have one?

No it affects chakra, but had effect on 5senses.
Don't forget also it was part of Nagato's plan to get Jiraya when his is not on his guard. He got caught in this genjutsu on purpose. He saw it coming like you can see in this page:

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So probably he didn't even try to negate it

 

[Blaze Release]

wouldnt nagato being able to use his other bodies to see can tell when they are being placed in a genjutsu. But it wouldnt put him in a genjutsu, jut alert him that they are.

May i first state that whilst people are bringing facts people are bringing fan fiction. First is nagato is a sensor, genjutsu wouldnt work, yet its not only worked on him before, shee another sensor fell prey to sasuke's normal sharingan genjutsu, shee.

Second is that that genjutsu barrier stops genjutsu and that is also false. That genjutsu barrier is to stop information gathering and i thought ino's dad and the intel division scenario had already made that clear, regardless that same path, which was animal was one of the paths that genjutsu was used successfully against.

Whilst manga and databook facts disagree with such fan fiction, such fan fiction isnt even accurate.

Anyway i dont believe the paths will be affected by tsukuyomi, not because of the rinnegan, but because they are dead bodies. Nagato on the other hand, everything backs the idea that it would

 

[Scooby Doo]

Jiraiyas genjutsu is a sage art, nagato would not have known much about it, there is also very little defense against a sound genjutsu, other than covering your ears but it's so loud I doubt that would work, TBH the ins and outs of that tech I don't know at all, all I know is that it needs lots of prep and it's sound genjutsu, so I won't use it to excuse nagato falling victim to it.

I am not saying that nagato won't fall into tsukyomi, and I doubt he can fight it like sasuke could, it may be a stretch to say he can get out of tsukyomi easily, because it is a one shot genjutsu even by kage standards, but as a sensor type with a dojutsu that allows immense chakra control tsukyomi would not trap him like it did the A, bee or kakashi.

Ok I was just proven wrong about Nagato using genjutsubarrier on his pein-bodies. It was just a fodder ninja. I forgot about it But still, even if nagato can use genjutsu barrier on himself, maybe tsukoyomi can break it.

 

[Tosen]

I believe that Nagato would beat Itachi 6 out of the 10 times but it has been said that you need Uchiha blood to break out of Tsukyomi and thats final. Nagato does not have Uchiha blood so he can not break out of the tsukyomi but he still beats Itachi sense there are other ways of going about it.

 

[Maunten]

I believe that Nagato would beat Itachi 6 out of the 10 times but it has been said that you need Uchiha blood to break out of Tsukyomi and thats final. Nagato does not have Uchiha blood so he can not break out of the tsukyomi but he still beats Itachi sense there are other ways of going about it.

No you don't....you have seen non uchihas break out of it, you either need dual chakra (jinchuriki) or high chakra awareness.

 

[destined 2 win]

most of u guys are underestimating nagato' power . his intelligence,his capacities.

1.nagato has detailed knowledge of shinobi world even more than itachi.
nagato knew tobi was madara and his powers and plan but itachi didnt even recognized tobi .

2.nagato clearly has knowledge about all powers of itachi . he knew tsukuyomi and amatersu. rememebr nagato died before itachi so no way nagato should knew it bt he sensed amastersu during edo battles.hence nagato will be fully prepared for battle with itachi.

3.nagato fights with his paths while real nagato hides in some safe place with konoan by his side.so even if his paths are killed nagato is still unharmed.

4.nagato's path are clearly faster,stronger,high stamina, quick regenerating and could be revived but itachi is weak for long battle, has low stamina, spit blood and trauma after evey M.S tech.

5.itachi cant seal pain's path bcoz they are dead bodies, itachi can fight endurance battle with pain's path and summons. itachi can creat susanoo for defense but he will get tired soon.

6.holding onto suanoo protection agnst rocket lauchers of pain, shira tense, of deva,soul sercher of narak path , and gedo majo's dragon summon is not an option and it wil take tol on itachi surely.

7.lets not talk about what chibaku tensei and gedo mazo can do to itachi beacuse they are overkill for itachi.

8.even kakashi didnt fell in tsukuyomi trap for 2nd time using shadow clones so how on earth nagato becomes so fool to be trapped in tsukuyomi .p.s pain was itachi's boss so he knew what he is capable of.

remember pain's 6 path in 6 different direction can see 360 degree of vision. so 1 path at front will close eyes while all 5 path can watch itachi's back,top,rear ,side, bottom simultaneously and fight itachi.

9.p.s most of peoples think tusuyomi kills which is very worng concept. tsuyomi is genjutus and it only give mental torture . itachi has to physically kill nagato to get win.

so ist itachi should locate tsukuyomi pain's path. then he should locate the location of nagato's hide out. then he should travel about hours to get to that place and then he has to face nagato and kill it. but it has problems

a. tsukuyomi breaks once u remove eye contact with victim.
b.itachi's m.s tech cant last for hours to trap pain in tsukuyomi while to go to attack nagato
c.nagato's chakra sensing capacity and his chakra is so strong that it can ripp peoples apart as he also said to naruto during naruto vs pain.


hence final conclusion.

1.itachi will have problems casting tsukuyomi on pain's path
2.itachi cant defend long, and itachi's most attacks are useless agasnt pain's 6 path
3.itachi loose due to indurance
4.itachi can injure path of pain but not kill al 6
5.even if he kills all paths nagato can still regenerate new bodies as his new path
6.nagato o.p itachi

7.nagato ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.itachi:ice:

 

[Scooby Doo]

No you don't....you have seen non uchihas break out of it, you either need dual chakra (jinchuriki) or high chakra awareness.

Sorry but I dont remember seeing one.

 

[Maunten]

May i first state that whilst people are bringing facts people are bringing fan fiction. First is nagato is a sensor, genjutsu wouldnt work, yet its not only worked on him before, shee another sensor fell prey to sasuke's normal sharingan genjutsu, shee.

Second is that that genjutsu barrier stops genjutsu and that is also false. That genjutsu barrier is to stop information gathering and i thought ino's dad and the intel division scenario had already made that clear, regardless that same path, which was animal was one of the paths that genjutsu was used successfully against.

Whilst manga and databook facts disagree with such fan fiction, such fan fiction isnt even accurate.

Anyway i dont believe the paths will be affected by tsukuyomi, not because of the rinnegan, but because they are dead bodies. Nagato on the other hand, everything backs the idea that it would

Nagato is a senor type that specialises in chakra control. He also has a dojutsu that would allow him to know when he is under a genjutsu.

"Itachi stated that Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user that shares the same blood as him; as demonstrated when Sasuke overcame Itachi's Tsukuyomi in their battle."

naruto wiki but then we seek jin breaking out...

 

[Tosen]

No you don't....you have seen non uchihas break out of it, you either need dual chakra (jinchuriki) or high chakra awareness.

Sasukes tsyukyomi was weak and even if your stuck a second into Itachi tsukyomi then hours would have passed in the tsuykomi world.

To be hones shared vision would be Nagatos downfall, just one eye contact with a summon then boom he gets stuck in a tsukyomi.

 

[Scooby Doo]

most of u guys are underestimating nagato' power . his intelligence,his capacities.

1.nagato has detailed knowledge of shinobi world even more than itachi.
nagato knew tobi was madara and his powers and plan but itachi didnt even recognized tobi .

2.nagato clearly has knowledge about all powers of itachi . he knew tsukuyomi and amatersu. rememebr nagato died before itachi so no way nagato should knew it bt he sensed amastersu during edo battles.hence nagato will be fully prepared for battle with itachi.

3.nagato fights with his paths while real nagato hides in some safe place with konoan by his side.so even if his paths are killed nagato is still unharmed.

4.nagato's path are clearly faster,stronger,high stamina, quick regenerating and could be revived but itachi is weak for long battle, has low stamina, spit blood and trauma after evey M.S tech.

5.itachi cant seal pain's path bcoz they are dead bodies, itachi can fight endurance battle with pain's path and summons. itachi can creat susanoo for defense but he will get tired soon.

6.holding onto suanoo protection agnst rocket lauchers of pain, shira tense, of deva,soul sercher of narak path , and gedo majo's dragon summon is not an option and it wil take tol on itachi surely.

7.lets not talk about what chibaku tensei and gedo mazo can do to itachi beacuse they are overkill for itachi.

8.even kakashi didnt fell in tsukuyomi trap for 2nd time using shadow clones so how on earth nagato becomes so fool to be trapped in tsukuyomi .p.s pain was itachi's boss so he knew what he is capable of.

remember pain's 6 path in 6 different direction can see 360 degree of vision. so 1 path at front will close eyes while all 5 path can watch itachi's back,top,rear ,side, bottom simultaneously and fight itachi.

9.p.s most of peoples think tusuyomi kills which is very worng concept. tsuyomi is genjutus and it only give mental torture . itachi has to physically kill nagato to get win.

so ist itachi should locate tsukuyomi pain's path. then he should locate the location of nagato's hide out. then he should travel about hours to get to that place and then he has to face nagato and kill it. but it has problems

a. tsukuyomi breaks once u remove eye contact with victim.
b.itachi's m.s tech cant last for hours to trap pain in tsukuyomi while to go to attack nagato
c.nagato's chakra sensing capacity and his chakra is so strong that it can ripp peoples apart as he also said to naruto during naruto vs pain.


hence final conclusion.

1.itachi will have problems casting tsukuyomi on pain's path
2.itachi cant defend long, and itachi's most attacks are useless agasnt pain's 6 path
3.itachi loose due to indurance
4.itachi can injure path of pain but not kill al 6
5.even if he kills all paths nagato can still regenerate new bodies as his new path
6.nagato o.p itachi

7.nagato ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.itachi:ice:

Ok I stopped reading after the first 3 statements. Tobi is not madara, Itachi also knows Nagato's abilities probably, and Nagato fights himself, no Konan or peinbodies....

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Sharingan genjutsu is useless against Nagato for 3reasons:
- He has Rinnengan(>EMS). Itachi said MS could counter it, so Rinnengan will easily
- He can put a barrier against genjutsu and he has already shown that
- He is a sensor, and that means he doesn't need to see to know what is happening in the battlefield. If we add to that his share vision of the Rinnengan, he can't even be put in it if he wanted

Sharingam genjutsu sure but tsukyomi is an ems jutsu

 

[destined 2 win]

how the fk can itachi survie gedo mazo and chibaku tensei combo??? chibaku tensei trying to suck itachi into the big ball of matters while itachi clinging on the susanoo to save his ass but soon finds gedo mazo's spirit dragon which can pass through matter and chkra easily and take out soul form living body. i dont see there is anyway itachi survies this. remember naruto in K.M got sucked in chibaku tensei so no way itachi's suanoo can hold him in ground and gedo mazo's dragon are one shot kill.:ice:

 

[iMicLykTyson]

I believe that Nagato would beat Itachi 6 out of the 10 times but it has been said that you need Uchiha blood to break out of Tsukyomi and thats final. Nagato does not have Uchiha blood so he can not break out of the tsukyomi but he still beats Itachi sense there are other ways of going about it.

Thank you plus rep dude

 

[Scooby Doo]

Sasukes tsyukyomi was weak and even if your stuck a second into Itachi tsukyomi then hours would have passed in the tsuykomi world.

To be hones shared vision would be Nagatos downfall, just one eye contact with a summon then boom he gets stuck in a tsukyomi.

I dont want to start a debate about it, just saying personally I dont think Sasuke can use tsukoyomi (yesterday I had a long debate so I know the arguments for both sides)...but I agree that tsukoyomi through shared vision would affect all the ones sharing rinnegan's vision, but some doubt it....it seems that on NB there are only a few things that everybody agrees on

 

[destined 2 win]

Ok I stopped reading after the first 3 statements. Tobi is not madara, Itachi also knows Nagato's abilities probably, and Nagato fights himself, no Konan or peinbodies....

u r idiot bro. when u say nagato then it includes his 6path also dude. so nagato without pain body is itachi without his genjutsu,susanoo,amatersu so keep that in mind.

sendonly we are talking about the time before death of nagato and pain and at that time every 1 said tobi=madara. even manga said so. so STFU

3rdly itachi didnt knew about nagato's power and plans. only tobi nagato and konona knew the plan.

 

[Maunten]

Sasukes tsukuyomi was weak and even if your stuck a second into Itachi tsukyomi then hours would have passed in the tsuykomi world.

To be hones shared vision would be Nagatos downfall, just one eye contact with a summon then boom he gets stuck in a tsukyomi.

I don't want to dispute that all I will say is that although tsukuyomi requires eye contact to have an effect, it is chakra advanced disruption that is experienced by the victim.

What you are stating is that a pain miles away from another will experience tsukuyomi based on eye contact alone.

Yes sasukes tsukuyomi is weak, but the same method applies to itachi's tsukuyomi as stated by kakashi, I can't wait until gaara gets put under tsukuyomi I would like to see if his mothers chakra can disrupted it.

Btw uchiha, hyuga and what ever blood the rinnegan is from are relatives, sasuke broke tsukyomi without having MS or EMS, showing that lesser dojutsu can overcome it.

 

[tahmid10]

This right here, the OP assumes the rinnengan is a evolved form of the sharigan which has not been clarified in the manga yet...

What has been clarified in the manga is that picture of course.

yes they do, when the 5 kages vs the resurrected Madara, his eyes turn to the rinnegan form and they realize that the rinnegan is the final form

 

[The Eye]

May i first state that whilst people are bringing facts people are bringing fan fiction. First is nagato is a sensor, genjutsu wouldnt work, yet its not only worked on him before, shee another sensor fell prey to sasuke's normal sharingan genjutsu, shee.

Second is that that genjutsu barrier stops genjutsu and that is also false. That genjutsu barrier is to stop information gathering and i thought ino's dad and the intel division scenario had already made that clear, regardless that same path, which was animal was one of the paths that genjutsu was used successfully against.

Whilst manga and databook facts disagree with such fan fiction, such fan fiction isnt even accurate.

Anyway i dont believe the paths will be affected by tsukuyomi, not because of the rinnegan, but because they are dead bodies. Nagato on the other hand, everything backs the idea that it would

no everyone can fall victim to genjutsu unless your dead...(sasori)
So nagato true form can be under a genjutsu. Just like itachi can.
But like kakashi used a clone to break out of the genjutsu, nagato can use his dead bodies so he wouldnt fall victim under it. But nagato has yet to be under a genjutsu, doesnt mean he cant be in one. chances are its unlikely with the way he fights.