Nagato can easily break Tsukuyomi

[HitmanSasuke23]

U MAD? It's not polite to call someone else a fanboy when you are obviously one. U_U

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Your right I'm a Sasuke fan boy...but I'm tired of seeing people on here giving someone credit for power that they were loaned and had no chance of getting themselves...As a child Nagato was a coward and was lucky that Tobi gave him the rinnegan..if not for Tobi Nagato would have been dead long ago

 

[iMicLykTyson]

In the Itachi vs Nagato threads I've seen to many fanboys mistakenly claim that Itachi could one shot Nagato with Tsukuyomi. The reasons why this would fail is because

Nagato is a sensor ninja: It has been noted that sensor ninja have the ability to sense changes in ones chakra and the chakra around them. This would alert him to being in genjustu and he could disrupt his chakra and break it.

proof that Nagato is a sensor ninja from Narutopedia:



The Rinnegan is an evolved sharigan: it is well known that the sharigan evolves into the rinnegan with the right conditions. If a normal 3 tomoe sharigan can break "the all powerful" Tsukuyomi then the rinnegan can as well. The rinnegan has shown to counter all other MS techniques so Tsukuyomi is no problem.

So with this it is clear that Nagato>>>Itachi, and itachi stands no chance U_U

Nagato never had sharingan to begin with plus Itachi said only Someone with the same eyes has his can dispel his tsukyomi (sharingan).

 

[rollin]

sasuke overcame the tsukiyomi I'm pretty sure nagato can

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and nagato saw through the kotoamatsukami so he can see genjutsu even though he thought it was amaterasu at first

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[Troyg39]

For those of you who obviously don't read the manga...

Look at this:

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And then this:

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And I quote: "What awaits when you progress beyond the Sharingan is the Rinnegan"

The Rinnegan is the evolved form (yes pokemon term) of the Sharingan..aka the next progression...aka the next level...aka it was confirmed in the manga you noobs!

What more do you want? Kishi to send you a personal letter stating it?

Rinnegan>Sharingan.
Nagato>Itachi.
Fanboyism out please

 

[Seraphiel]

Your right I'm a Sasuke fan boy...but I'm tired of seeing people on here giving someone credit for power that they were loaned and had no chance of getting themselves...As a child Nagato was a coward and was lucky that Tobi gave him the rinnegan..if not for Tobi Nagato would have been dead long ago

If it wasn't for Itachi, Sasuke would be weak and easy to defeat. Who gave Sasuke the current power he has?
And you don't even know if Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan so stfu.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Killer bee is a jinchuriki, anyone could break someone else out of a tsukuyomi. Another thing is sasukes tsukuyomi sucked and was ridiculously weak. So bad example there.

With the superior powers of the rinnegan, though, i dont see any reason why a rinnegan user cant break out. I know that part of the reason sasuke got out of the tsukuyomi is because they're brothers or something, but he was still only 3 tomoe.

Maybe sasuke's but not itach's, his Tskyomi has the ablity to control time which is something that differentiates if from a regular genjutsu, Sasuke's does not have the ability to control time.

 

[Maunten]

For those of you who obviously don't read the manga...

Look at this:

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And then this:

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And I quote: "What awaits when you progress beyond the Sharingan is the Rinnegan"

The Rinnegan is the evolved form (yes pokemon term) of the Sharingan..aka the next progression...aka the next level...aka it was confirmed in the manga you noobs!

What more do you want? Kishi to send you a personal letter stating it?

Rinnegan>Sharingan.
Nagato>Itachi.
Fanboyism out please

Lol stop saying the rinnegan is the evolved form of the sharingan, the MS and EMS are evolved forms, wow...

This is kabuto speaking btw, not madara even confirming it.

 

[Owarij]

Sigh, According to the databook, and itachi

You need sharingan AND uchiha blood to break Itachi's tsukyomi...

Nagato just has a upgraded sharingan


Just like kakashi, it simply isn't enough

1shot

 

[Troyg39]

Itachi even specified it for us he said MY Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a clansmen he didn't say anything about Sasuke's tsukuyomi or others

Dude, Tsunade was the one that got Kakashi and Sasuke out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi...so Itachi was clearly full of bs when he said that.

 

[Champ]

U MAD? It's not polite to call someone else a fanboy when you are obviously one. U_U

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Manga states that the Rinnegan is the most powerful doujutsu. U_U

We know the Rinnegan is the best Doujutsu, does that mean he can break all genjutsu even Frog song?

 

[iMicLykTyson]

For those of you who obviously don't read the manga...

Look at this:

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And then this:

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And I quote: "What awaits when you progress beyond the Sharingan is the Rinnegan"

The Rinnegan is the evolved form (yes pokemon term) of the Sharingan..aka the next progression...aka the next level...aka it was confirmed in the manga you noobs!

What more do you want? Kishi to send you a personal letter stating it?

Rinnegan>Sharingan.
Nagato>Itachi.
Fanboyism out please

has Nagato ever released the rennigan ? No this proves he deos not have sharingan to begin with. Compared to madara who released it and could interchange between both Eyes.

 

[Maunten]

It looks like we might get another talk no jutsu chapter to explain how the rinnegan is not pinned to the sharingan.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Sigh, According to the databook, and itachi

You need sharingan AND uchiha blood to break Itachi's tsukyomi...

Nagato just has a upgraded sharingan


Just like kakashi, it simply isn't enough

1shot

lol exactly he never had sharingan to begin with plus he is not of Uchiha bloodline.

 

[ItachiSan03]

Your right I'm a Sasuke fan boy...but I'm tired of seeing people on here giving someone credit for power that they were loaned and had no chance of getting themselves...As a child Nagato was a coward and was lucky that Tobi gave him the rinnegan..if not for Tobi Nagato would have been dead long ago

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[Troyg39]

Lol stop saying the rinnegan is the evolved form of the sharingan, the MS and EMS are evolved forms, wow...

This is kabuto speaking btw, not madara even confirming it.

This is Kabuto speaking TO MADARA about it. Which Madara then reveals that he awakened it after death. What more do you want him to say?

 

[Seraphiel]

We know the Rinnegan is the best Doujutsu, does that mean he can break all genjutsu even Frog song?

Don't really know. But he probably planned that. But even if he planned it or not, the other Paths were not affected by it.

 

[Troyg39]

has Nagato ever released the rennigan ? No this proves he deos not have sharingan to begin with. Compared to madara who released it and could interchange between both Eyes.

Nagato was GIVEN the Rinnegan by Madara! How else would Madara have the Rinnegan?What do you think happened? Madara just pooped a pair of Rinnegan eyes out of his butt?

 

[Pavoneo]

So basically the debate at hand..

Itachi says that someone needs Uchiha blood and Sharingan to break his Tsukuyomi.

Nagato has a Rinnegan.

Is a Rinnegan alone enough to break Tsukuyomi even though he never had a sharingan (although Rinnegan is upgraded sharingan imo) without uchiha blood?

I personally say.. Yes.
Although, you could look at it from a different perspective. He has animal summons which could snap him out of it.

 

[Owarij]

The rinnegan is a evolved form , but nagato doesn't have the full package, He doesn't have the eyes of the true heir to it...


Madara's rinnegan you can obviously see he unlocked... Not only can he turn it off an on at will, but he is capable of using his ems jutsu etc with the rinnegan....


Rinnegan has its own unique set of abilities, and it won't help Nagato against tsukyomi... He's just as susceptible to Tsukyomi as any other....Kakashi's sharingan , though he was very skilled with it, didn't help him what so ever...because as Itachi said, You need sharingan and uchiha blood to resist tsukyomi and break it.

Note this is Itachi's tsukyomi, not sasuke's

So basically the debate at hand..

Itachi says that someone needs Uchiha blood and Sharingan to break his Tsukuyomi.

Nagato has a Rinnegan.

Is a Rinnegan alone enough to break Tsukuyomi even though he never had a sharingan (although Rinnegan is upgraded sharingan imo) without uchiha blood?

I personally say.. Yes.
Although, you could look at it from a different perspective. He has animal summons which could snap him out of it.

Understand this...Rinnegan is not sharingan...

Sharingan offers certain abilities, Movement prediction , jutsu copying etc..


Rinnegan offers certain abilities...

It has actually never been stated that rinnegan offers any sort of genjutsu eye of insight ever...And even if it did it's still not enough to break tsukyomi SINCE he doesn't have uchiha blood..

Why is uchiha blood needed? Well the uchihas were born with high mental energy , which I believe is what enables them to be able to resist the mental torture..



Uzumaki's don't have that... they have a strong life force... And according to the databook, you can have body made of steel and you'll still fall to Tsukyomi, since it's mental damage

 

[HitmanSasuke23]

If it wasn't for Itachi, Sasuke would be weak and easy to defeat. Who gave Sasuke the current power he has?
And you don't even know if Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan so stfu.

So which uzumaki in history that we've seen thus far has unlocked any kind of eye techniques at my count its been zero...as far as Sasuke goes yea Itachi gave him his eye techniques to protect him which he told Sasuke to come before him with the same eyes as him anyway but he chose not to kill naruto at the waterfall and wanted to gain power his own way...but If I'm not mistaken when Sasuke kicked team 7 ass at Orochimaru's hideout and was getting ready to kill them he was about to unlock is MS anyway