Nagato awakened the rinnegan

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Many, to demoralize to discourage or simply due to arrogance.

No no and NO lol one way or another he was he gonna kill her.... There are no reasons needed to lie to her

 

[Hipster Madara]

Many, to demoralize to discourage or simply due to arrogance.

Then why would he say izanagi needed senju dna rather than it was his own power and that alone if it was to demoralize?
*i found myself back in this thread but i wont get off topic this time*

 

[dominicansharingan]

I think they were given. How can he have them from the start if he is not a blood-relative to the SO6P?

 

[Tosen]

No no and NO lol one way or another he was he gonna kill her....there I no need to lie to her

Tobi did it for the lolz, am serious he did it for the lolz of it. He is a manipulator down to the core and uses and plays with peoples heads through the end. And Btw konan almost killed him and came the closest to.

Then why would he say izanagi needed senju dna rather than it was his own power and that alone if it was to demoralize?
*i found myself back in this thread but i wont get off topic this time*

Plot hole/ kishi changed his mind.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Tobi did it for the lolz, am serious he did it for the lolz of it. He is a manipulator down to the core and uses and plays with peoples heads through the end. And Btw konan almost killed him and came the closest to.



Plot hole/ kishi changed his mind.

.......that was a weak excuse.
it was not demoralizing. are we at an agreement?

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Tobi did it for the lolz, am serious he did it for the lolz of it. He is a manipulator down to the core and uses and plays with peoples heads through the end. And Btw konan almost killed him and came the closest to.



Plot hole/ kishi changed his mind.

And???? Lol him dying and the rinnengan things have nothing to do with eachother....

 

[spokentruth]

Lets Finish This alot of people Keep saying That Tobi is A Liar if you feel that way then u shouldn't even Believe there's A Juubi Because Tobi is the only 1 Who Talked About it.

2 If Nagato Awakened The Rinnagan How could Madara Know about this When Nagato is About Minato's age or younger And Hashirama Looked The same even When Hiruzen was About 6-7 Years Old and Madara was Most Likely Dead

3Tobi Gave Nagato the Rinnagan Why You Say?? At Madara Death Bed I Believe Tobi was There And Madara Gave His Eye to Tobi And I Believe This is How Tobi was Able To get Some Senju DNA So Tobi Came Upon Nagato When he was Very Young And He figured Since He's an Uchiha He couldn't Perform That Tech Because of His Low chakra So He Thought Well Nagato A Uzumaki so He could Do because Of Large Chakra Reserves So he gave Nagato The Rinnagan

4When he seen Madara Brought back By Edo He Thought well He's Back so There's No need 4 Nagato Having The Rinnagan That's Why he Took it Back And Maybe He'll Revive Him Now Because Edo is Over

 

[Tosen]

.......that was a weak excuse.
it was not demoralizing. are we at an agreement?

It isn't the first time kishi changed his mind now is it :|

 

[spokentruth]

It isn't the first time kishi changed his mind now is it :|

You should Read my post And how could Madara Even know Who Nagato is????

 

[Hipster Madara]

It isn't the first time kishi changed his mind now is it :|

ofc not. but not in the same chapter :sy:
what does this have to do with kishi changing his mind?

 

[ImNoOne]

yes, this is what i was getting at. i believe that it is not a natural progression of sharingan as their earliest descendant did not have it, thus something was missing from the very beginning so it is not possible for it to be "natural" if they are pure blooded uchiha/senju

Otherwise it should have definitely been unlocked by the first ES descendants who were less watered down then Madara.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Otherwise it should have definitely been unlocked by the first ES descendants who were less watered down then Madara.

exactly.
if not, ES would have rinnegan.
i think that there is something special about madara and izuna because they can't be the first uchihas to go through a very dramatic experience i.e. killed their best friend but they are the only ones to unlock MS.
either that or plot :ghehe:

 

[Tosen]

ofc not. but not in the same chapter :sy:
what does this have to do with kishi changing his mind?

Everything :|, the change of the requirments of the senju dna and the non requierment of the senju dna for izanagi. Kishi clearly changed his mind :|

Otherwise it should have definitely been unlocked by the first ES descendants who were less watered down then Madara.

You know it makes perfect sense if Tobi was the ES

exactly.
if not, ES would have rinnegan.
i think that there is something special about madara and izuna because they can't be the first uchihas to go through a very dramatic experience i.e. killed their best friend but they are the only ones to unlock MS.
either that or plot :ghehe:

I think perhaps they were the first uchihas in recent memory to awaken the MS, it was aluded that other uchihas prior tried to get MS but failed.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Everything :|, the change of the requirments of the senju dna and the non requierment of the senju dna for izanagi. Kishi clearly changed his mind :|

You know it makes perfect sense if Tobi was the ES


I think perhaps they were the first uchihas in recent memory to awaken the MS, it was aluded that pther uchihas prior tried to get MS but failed.

....if it was for demoralization then he wouldn't have lied about needing senju dna cuz that makes him look weaker....

 

[ImNoOne]

exactly.
if not, ES would have rinnegan.
i think that there is something special about madara and izuna because they can't be the first uchihas to go through a very dramatic experience i.e. killed their best friend but they are the only ones to unlock MS.
either that or plot :ghehe:

Well I would actually argue that they weren't the first ones. There might have been others but their legacy would have gotten lost, and Madara and his brother are the oldest record there is. If you look at it the whole Naruto world system seems to be pretty young. Take as example that they consider Hashirama to be ancient history, 150 years ago. Yet they also state that countless generations passed since the time of the Sage of Six Paths. The Gap is too huge, and the characters living in Narutoverse seem to be so in the dark considering their own history that I wouldn't be surprised at all if there would have been other Uchiha to unlock MS.

Even if you look at it from a statistical point of view, what are the odds that for centuries it never happened and then happens 6 times in little more than 100 years. Doesn't make sense at all looking to the requirements.

 

[Tosen]

....if it was for demoralization then he wouldn't have lied about needing senju dna cuz that makes him look weaker....

Case in point kishi changed his mind about izanagi. I dont get why this is so hard to understand :|

 

[spokentruth]

Tobi gave Him the Rinnagan perioud

 

[ImNoOne]

Everything :|, the change of the requirments of the senju dna and the non requierment of the senju dna for izanagi. Kishi clearly changed his mind :|

You know it makes perfect sense if Tobi was the ES


I think perhaps they were the first uchihas in recent memory to awaken the MS, it was aluded that other uchihas prior tried to get MS but failed.

Not to mention that you can't try to achieve something unless you know it exists. And as they failed and were able to recognize that they had failed and not that there was nothing to achieve is a strong indication that at their time there was a collective memory that it existed, meaning someone stumbled upon it in the past.. I think it makes perfect sense.

@ Ninetails Fox: I just realized we've wondered into off topic.. You have a gift to it.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Well I would actually argue that they weren't the first ones. There might have been others but their legacy would have gotten lost, and Madara and his brother are the oldest record there is. If you look at it the whole Naruto world system seems to be pretty young. Take as example that they consider Hashirama to be ancient history, 150 years ago. Yet they also state that countless generations passed since the time of the Sage of Six Paths. The Gap is too huge, and the characters living in Narutoverse seem to be so in the dark considering their own history that I wouldn't be surprised at all if there would have been other Uchiha to unlock MS.

Even if you look at it from a statistical point of view, what are the odds that for centuries it never happened and then happens 6 times in little more than 100 years. Doesn't make sense at all looking to the requirements.

very true, especially since the world was in hellish war all the time.
maybe it did happen before and it became increasingly rare as the genes got more and more diluted.
or maybe madara/izuna are the first babies to be born between uchiha and another clan...

 

[Tosen]

Not to mention that you can't try to achieve something unless you know it exists. And as they failed and were able to recognize that they had failed and not that there was nothing to achieve is a strong indication that at their time there was a collective memory that it existed, meaning someone stumbled upon it in the past.. I think it makes perfect sense.

Exactly, I would think that the Ms and EMS were way more common in the earlier uchiha history when the so6p blood and dna was stronger with the Uchiha.