That makes no sense. Hashirama is also under contract, therefore Orochimaru should have no issue controlling him, by your logic. Hashirama is also orochimaru's pawn, therefore cannot be controlled.
Come on, let's be real. Orochimaru doesn't have the power to restrain the power on a perfect nine tails Jinchuuriki. He neither has the sharingan, Rinnegan or chakra rods. So no he cannot hold or contain Minato. Kurama's power is much too great. You really think of kurama lets loose all his power, Orochimaru can control it... With what? How can he possibly do that when Obito struggled to restrain Kokuo with Rinnegan and chakra rods. Orochimaru has none of those things, so it's impossible. He couldn't hold Hashriama in base, so he's not holding Minato in BM. Even Tobirama resisted a bit in base. Hanzo resisted Kabuto as well. Bijuu mode Minato completely tears away from Orochimaru.
You didn't counter anything I said or prove why Orochimaru can't control BM Minato. Orochimaru revived Minato and Yin Kurama and are his pawns under the Edo Tensei summoning contract. There is no reason why Yin Kurama (sealed inside Minato) would be able to break free of the seal placed in Minato's head, especially considering this is technically Edo Yin Kurama as Orochimaru brought him back to life when he died with Minato. Hashirama broke free because he was Ashura's transmigrant and his Senju DNA was too powerful for Orochimaru to contain so he broke free of Orochimaru's control. Kabuto can control the amount of willpower his edos have over their body and he wasn't fully controlling Hanzo because he kept his personality and willpower intact, thinking Hanzo would fight for him anyway.
You've brought zero evidence to the table, unless Minato has feats of breaking free of Orochimaru's control then he can't do it.
And when you get feats to compare both of them against the same exact oppoenent, then you have a case. V1 Ay blitzed sasuke, but Suigetsu shunshin'd infront of him and intercepted and blocked Ay. Oh wow, so I guess Suigetsu has faster reactions that sasuke, because Suigetsu sped from off panel, from where karin was, and acted much faster than sasuke did -
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Or Suigetsu reacting faster than sasuke against bee again -
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So yeah Suigetsu has better reactions than Ms sasuke.
You're really reaching. Minato was shocked that Obito planted the bomb, not that he couldn't react. Then when he tried to react, the arm on the other side of his body wasn't convenient to grab the bomb with. Just look at the scan yourself, not only is he struggling, he can't reach the bomb. Tobirama came from off panel, probably saw the bomb first from distance. Naruto and sasuke also didn't notice, sasuke with his ems didn't notice. And they both watched as Obito planted the bomb. You not knowing something is there doesn't contribute jack to reactions.
If Minato's striking speed is so slow, how did Minato slam that rasengan in Obitos back, faster than the kunai he threw could move. He caught the thrown kunai after slamming the rasengan. Meanwhile the kunai hasn't moved an inch from the moment he teleported. Then you have 8 gates guy whose fist did not move within the time that Minato reacted to madaras truth seeking balls.
Yes, keep repeating how sacrificing half your body to touch someone is so incredible. And I'll keep repeating the same response to you. Change that to alive Tobirama and that feat isn't even possible, taking advantage of ET allowed that. Even Hiruzen had already reacted and swayed out of the way of Juubito's blitz. Yet you think Minato is in cable of sacrificing his entire left half to plant a marking. Lol
And I like how you keep failing to acknowledge Juudara >>>>>> sm Madara and Juubito >>> mindless Juubito. The more you ignore it, the more I know you're wrong.
What is this nonsense about Suigetsu and how is it relevant, at all, to Minato vs Tobirama? I've already proved Tobirama has better reactions and you just keep spouting the same fanboy BS. This one scan destroys your argument:
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Tobirama teleports to where Minato is, then teleports away, then Minato mentally reacts to Tobirama
after he already teleported away. Minato can't even mentally react, much less physically react. You
still can't prove why Minato's striking speed is superior, or even post one scan where Minato does something Tobirama can't do in terms of striking speed. Stop wanking Minato just because he's your favorite.
Striking Obito with a rasengan proves nothing because Tobirama would have been able to do the exact same thing.
Minato got hit by Madara's TSB. Not hard to let yourself get hit then teleport away after you feel yourself get hit. That speaks nothing for his striking speed or reactions.
Uh, yes Tobirama tagging Juubito is a good feat because it means he reacted to him and was fast enough to mark him
before Obito destroyed half his body. Considering Minato's striking speed is slow enough to where Bee could intercept a point blank kunai strike with a tentacle from some distance away
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, no I don't think Minato would be able to tag Juubito before half his body gets destroyed like Tobirama did. Doesn't matter if surviving that attack isn't possible for alive Tobirama, it doesn't change the fact that he reacted.
Doesn't matter because I'm not comparing Juudara to SM Madara or Juubito. Now, I'll ask you to do one thing for me: post one scan, any scan, that puts Minato's striking speed above Tobirama's, a feat of his that Tobirama can't replicate. You won't be able to do it, because no such scan exists; you can try to prove me wrong all you want, but you still can't prove yourself right.
Did I not already make it clear that nagato's abilities are on a different scale than pains. Ask Naruto who said it himself already. Nor was that a big ST in the scan you just showed, it was a small weak one. The Juubi only pushed them with its arm slightly, it didn't generate huge gravitational force to send them back.
Uh, Pain's feats of using ST are actually better than Nagato's feats of using it so you have no argument here. Bee would do exactly the same thing he did when the Juubi pushed him back, you can't prove that ST would disorient Bee to the point where he wouldn't be able to use the bijuudama, this is getting ridiculous.
Fortunately Minato doesn't need a baby to for his sealing techniques. 4 symbols seal alone can be used with a person or object. Even a small toad will suffice or a scroll. And it can seal any target, mainly giant enemies and evil spirits into a human or object. Then there's RDS if worst comes to worst, still a means to win. Don't give me some next bs, because it's the same thing everyone says about Guy.
Oh yeah, because Minato is going to be able to summon the altar and the toad before Bee smashes that altar. Let's be real here. A living being can't be sealed into a scroll. Lol RDS, you're really getting desperate aren't you? That is a suicide technique and means the battle is a tie if it's succesfully executed. The actual jutsu itself
requires that the user die in order to work, Gai dying afterwards as a side effect from the use of 8 Gates is completely different. Not to mention we're talking about a Top 25 list here based on the overall strength of characters.
Erm no. FCD summons a toad instantly on top of the target. Short - Med - Long range jutsu. Just like how Minato summoned Bunta above kurama all the way from his statue. He need not be anywhere near bee. And in that time he gets sealed, Bunta can hold him down long enough. The moment bee goes BM, Minato will hold him down because he's such an easy target. Space time barrier deals with any roar and debris that flies minatos way, so he's safe from that kind of destruction, don't forget how huge his barrier is. I wish kishi showed minatos Bijuu barrier, to shut all you guys up.
So many errors in this post. Food Cart Destroyer is literally the same thing as a summoning jutsu, it's where you summon a heavy object on top of an opponent. Summoning jutsus always summon the object directly underneath them or around him, Minato obviously teleported across Konoha to where the Kyubi was then summoned the toad on top of Kurama, further evidenced by how we see him standing on top of the toad. The toad gets smacked away by a tentacle (Bee can
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hugely), or knocked backwards by a tailed beast roar, or obliterated with a bijuu wave. Toads get killed with absolutely zero difficulty. Bee basically one shots Minato with whirlwind, because it's AoE is too huge for Minato to avoid and it would encompass all marked kunais or locations on the battlefield.
Kisame's head will fly off. The blitz will be so fast and hard that Samehada won't even have time to absorb any chakra. The same v2 blitz Ay attempted on Minato and KCM Naruto and Madara, Kisame is not reacting to.
>Assuming the starting distance is within blitzing distance, which would have to be around 15 meters or less.
>Assuming Ay goes V2 at the very beginning of the battle, which he's never done before. V1 is reacted to.
>Assuming Ay goes for a headshot immediately, because any other injury gets healed by Samehada with ease.
>Implying that one character blitzing another character is even a represenatation of their total power, Lol. This is a top 25 list.
You literally have no argument other than "Ay blitzes gg." You're making yourself look stupider by the minute.
So guy can now go 7 gates and start avoiding instantaneous techniques while at the same time opening the eight gate while moving top speed. Get that bs out of here. Here was in base when he opened all gates, nothing suggests he can be in any gate form in order to open the eighth.
Jiraya's overall strength is based on his nickname, the gama sennin. Even the page called it his strongest form. Doesn't matter what time it takes. He transformed in the midst of battle, nothing more to it. Guys move is last resort that he'd never use in regular fight, so I'm not gonna count that either, because that's you logic here.
Amaterasu isn't instantaneous. Itachi first has to activate his Mangekyou, then build up chakra in his eye, then use Amaterasu, which has to travel, then hit Gai. Gai can open Gates before that and move out of Itachi's line of sight. Clearly you don't know how Gates work because you have to open the first one before you open the second, before you open the third, and so on.
Yes, the time it takes does matter. Jiraiya doesn't get prep time, therefore he doesn't start any battle in Sage Mode. This list is based on overall strength, not strongest form. Every single character on this list is assuming they start in base. Does Kisame start fused with Samehada? Does Konan start with paper ocean prepped? Does Bee start in BM? Obviously not. Stop with this desperate argument.
And against some of the oppoents listed below guy, he also can't open the gates. Yep lets play that game.
Nope, there aren't any.
