My top 25

[Omar19992010]

No Gaara. Awful list.

Gaara would actually be 27 and Ay would be 26.

 

[Beans2]

Orochimaru above Kabuto???

Orochimaru's edos > Kabuto's edos

Tobirama above Minato Lol

Better reactions and faster striking speed.

Killer be is too high, should be just above itachi.

He beats everyone listed below him

Gengetsu above Ay????? Come on U_U

Ay beats Gengetsu, but the Mizukage is overall stronger, has a more versatile arsenal, and can beat more opponents.

Jiraya should be under Itachi at least

SM Jiraiya can beat Itachi, Muu, Onoki, and Third Raikage, but against those opponents he won't be able to enter Sage Mode. Itachi would kill him with Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi, Muu and Onoki would kill him with jinton, and the Third Raikage is far too fast for Jiraiya to react to.

 

[super yang]

Hagoromo
Kinkaku/Ginkaku
Gai (at all)
edo tensei/koto amatsu kami
yagura
Mifune & Hidan
the other 5 junchuriki
50% friendship mode Minato
iron sand kage/gold sand kage
DVD Bonus version Kakashi

01 Kaguya
02 Naruto
03 Sasuke
04 Madara
05 Hashirama
06 Obito
07 Nagato
08 Kabuto
09 Itachi
10 Hiruzen
11 Orochimaru
12 Minato
13 Kirabi
14 Muu
15 Jiraiya
16 Sasori
17 Tobirama
18 3rd/4th Raikage
19 Danzou
20 Onoki
21 Kisame
22 Deidara
23 kakuzu
24 Tsunade
25 Trollkage
26 Gaara
27 Hanzo
28 Kakashi
29 Chiyo
30 Konan
31 Kimimaro
32 Yamato
33 Hiashi
34 Terumi Mei
35 Zabuza
36 Darui
37 Asuma
38 Sai
39 Kitsuchi
40 Choji

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Hagoromo
Kinkaku/Ginkaku
Gai (at all)
edo tensei/koto amatsu kami
yagura
Mifune & Hidan
the other 5 junchuriki
50% friendship mode Minato
iron sand kage/gold sand kage
DVD Bonus version Kakashi

01 Kaguya
02 Naruto
03 Sasuke
04 Madara
05 Hashirama
06 Obito
07 Nagato
08 Kabuto
09 Itachi
10 Hiruzen
11 Orochimaru
12 Minato
13 Kirabi
14 Muu
15 Jiraiya
16 Sasori
17 Tobirama
18 3rd/4th Raikage
19 Danzou
20 Onoki
21 Kisame
22 Deidara
23 kakuzu
24 Tsunade
25 Trollkage
26 Gaara
27 Hanzo
28 Kakashi
29 Chiyo
30 Konan
31 Kimimaro
32 Yamato
33 Hiashi
34 Terumi Mei
35 Zabuza
36 Darui
37 Asuma
38 Sai
39 Kitsuchi
40 Choji

Sasori and Jiraiya are too high on this list.

 

[super yang]

Sasori and Jiraiya are too high on this list.

maybe by your criteria, not by mine

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Third Raikage is the strongest Kage (excluding Hokages).

Flight, doton techs, and jinton make the tsuchikages more well rounded and versatile than the Sandaime. Especially Mu with his invisibility + sensor skills. I think the Raikage defeats Onoki, though.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Orochimaru's edos > Kabuto's edos

Can't control Hashirama, can't control the beast within Minato. All he has is Tobirama and Hirzuen. How are Hiruzen and Tobirama > nagato, itachi, Kakuzu, Kinkaku, Ginkaku, Deidara, Sasori, Dan, 7 ninja swordsman, Hanzo, kimmimaro, Asuma, gengetsu, Mū, A, Rasa...WTF. Kabuto stomps

Better reactions and faster striking speed.

Bull $hit of the highest order. Stronger than 1 armed Minato, yeah maybe I agree with that. But when Minato had 2 arms, tobirama can't even compete. Better striking speed, yes I witnessed that with his fight against sm Madara Lol, not a single hit landed.

He beats everyone listed below him

Nagato can take him. Especially if he's flying on his bird. Crippled mindless Nagato >> v2 Bee as we've already seen. Alive full powered in control Nagato will be fine against BM bee. Minato > bee by both hype and portrayal. Can redirect all TBB back at him. Bunta to hold him down whole Minato seals him. Worst comes to worst , he uses RDS, which bee can't avoid.

Ay beats Gengetsu, but the Mizukage is overall stronger, has a more versatile arsenal, and can beat more opponents.

Ay blitzes more opponents that Gengetsu can defeat. Any ninja without Sharingan/Rinnegan or who is slower than Ay can be blitzed from any reasonable standard manga starting distance. Mu, ohnoki, tobirama etc... Ay can take them all.

SM Jiraiya can beat Itachi, Muu, Onoki, and Third Raikage, but against those opponents he won't be able to enter Sage Mode. Itachi would kill him with Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi, Muu and Onoki would kill him with jinton, and the Third Raikage is far too fast for Jiraiya to react to.

That's like saying guy won't be able to use 8 gates or he wouldn't dare to use 8 gates unless there's something to protect. I didn't know we used excuses like this. I thought it's based on a characters strongest form. Why would Jiraya be able to. He did it against pain, despite having his hands clapped together, and having to deal with pesky pain summons. He has toads and shadow clones to act as distractions.

I stand by what I said, Jiraya should be much higher.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Better reactions and faster striking speed.

Tobirama Reacted To Juubito & Tagged Him 5 Times Is BS!
The Explosive Tags Attached To Him When He Ripped Half Of Tobirama's Body & Passed Through It,As Its Impossible To Attach Them With Hand Due To Their Position One Was On Obito's Leg

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...Did Tobirama Crouch To Attach That One?
Tobirama Tagged Him 1 Time & Even That Was After He Got Hit.
The FTG Mark Was On Juubito's Right Armpit As You Can See

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,So According To Their Position

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I Believe Tobirama Tagged Him With His Left Hand After The Right Side Of His Body Was Ripped Off.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

I'm starting to think that the Third Raikage beats Kisame, I'd place the former above the latter.

Edit: Never mind, I think he has a very good chance to beat Kisame (better chance than Ay and v1/v2 Bee)

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Third Raikage is the strongest Kage (excluding Hokages).

I think he beats every kage except Hashirama, Naruto, and Mu (bad matchup).

 

[Beans2]

Can't control Hashirama, can't control the beast within Minato. All he has is Tobirama and Hirzuen. How are Hiruzen and Tobirama > nagato, itachi, Kakuzu, Kinkaku, Ginkaku, Deidara, Sasori, Dan, 7 ninja swordsman, Hanzo, kimmimaro, Asuma, gengetsu, Mū, A, Rasa...WTF. Kabuto stomps

Lol, based on what? Kurama is sealed inside Minato, and he controls Minato. Kabuto was controlling all the jinchuuriki with Edo Tensei and they could enter V2.

Bull $hit of the highest order. Stronger than 1 armed Minato, yeah maybe I agree with that. But when Minato had 2 arms, tobirama can't even compete. Better striking speed, yes I witnessed that with his fight against sm Madara Lol, not a single hit landed.

At least Tobirama could react to Madara's counterattack and teleported again. Minato got his other arm cut off when he attacked Madara, and that was SM Minato. Tobirama tagged Juubito, he has all around better reaction feats. Post a scan that puts Minato's reaction feats above Tobirama's.

Nagato can take him. Especially if he's flying on his bird. Crippled mindless Nagato >> v2 Bee as we've already seen. Alive full powered in control Nagato will be fine against BM bee. Minato > bee by both hype and portrayal. Can redirect all TBB back at him. Bunta to hold him down whole Minato seals him. Worst comes to worst , he uses RDS, which bee can't avoid.

Nagato being above V2 Bee means absolutely nothing because this Bee can go BM. Bee charges Nagato, Nagato uses ST to repel him, Bee fires bijuudama during 5 second interval, Nagato dies.

Don't care about hype and portrayal, feats put Bee above Minato. Um, why would Bee fire off bijuudamas at an opponent he know can teleport? V2 Bee would get the job done, Minato lacks the firepower to kill him so Bee outlasts.

Ay blitzes more opponents that Gengetsu can defeat. Any ninja without Sharingan/Rinnegan or who is slower than Ay can be blitzed from any reasonable standard manga starting distance. Mu, ohnoki, tobirama etc... Ay can take them all.

"Reasonable manga starting distance"...if your argument is seriously "Ay blitzes gg" then you need to rethink your stance. Ay blitzing an opponent =/= being overall stronger than the opponent anyway. Kisame doesn't have sharingan/rinnegan and is slower than Ay, yet he beats him. Fewer people can even detect the Mizukage's clam, deal with Joki Boy, or put the Mizukage down due to his hydrification.

That's like saying guy won't be able to use 8 gates or he wouldn't dare to use 8 gates unless there's something to protect. I didn't know we used excuses like this. I thought it's based on a characters strongest form. Why would Jiraya be able to. He did it against pain, despite having his hands clapped together, and having to deal with pesky pain summons. He has toads and shadow clones to act as distractions.

I stand by what I said, Jiraya should be much higher.

Your Gai comparison is completely irrelevant because Itachi, Muu, Onoki, and Third Raikage can't actually prevent Gai from going 8 Gates like they can prevent Jiraiya from entering SM. Jiraiya never starts a battle in SM unless he gets prep time, should I put Konan on this list because she solos Jiraiya with Paper Ocean? Lol, obviously not since that requires prep time.

Base Jiraiya can't dodge Amaterasu or avoid getting caught in genjutsu or manhandled by Susanoo. Base Jiraiya can't avoid jinton. Base Jiraiya can't react to the Third Raikage. I'm one of the biggest Jiraiya fans on this site, believe me I know his limits.

 

[ARGUS]

Lol at the clowns saying it's bad, it's certainly one of the good lists
Here's mine, No ET

1. Kaguya
2. Hagoromo
3. Naruto/Sasuke
4. Sasuke/Naruto
5. Madara
6. Toneri
7. Obito/Kakashi
8. Kakashi/Obito
9. 8th gate Guy
10. Hashirama
11. Nagato
12. Killer Bee
13. Kabuto
14. Tobirama
15. Minato
16. Itachi
17. Muu
18. Third Raikage
19. Second Mizukage
20. Onoki
21. Ay
22. Jiraiya
23. Kisame
24. Gaara
25. Danzo

 

[Beans2]

Tobirama Reacted To Juubito & Tagged Him 5 Times Is BS!
The Explosive Tags Attached To Him When He Ripped Half Of Tobirama's Body & Passed Through It,As Its Impossible To Attach Them With Hand Due To Their Position One Was On Obito's Leg

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...Did Tobirama Crouch To Attach That One?
Tobirama Tagged Him 1 Time & Even That Was After He Got Hit.
The FTG Mark Was On Juubito's Right Armpit As You Can See

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,So According To Their Position

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I Believe Tobirama Tagged Him With His Left Hand After The Right Side Of His Body Was Ripped Off.

At least Tobirama could even react to Juubito and tag him, Minato can't do that because his striking speed is too slow. Minato doesn't have feats that put his striking speed faster than Tobirama, and since a battle between them would be determined by who lands the first hit, Tobirama would win.

 

[Zexion~]

Kisame > Jiraiya in terms of overall abilities

Also replace danzo with Kakuzu and this is a decent list U_U

 

[Great Master Minato]

At least Tobirama could react to Madara's counterattack and teleported again. Minato got his other arm cut off when he attacked Madara, and that was SM Minato. Tobirama tagged Juubito, he has all around better reaction feats. Post a scan that puts Minato's reaction feats above Tobirama's.

*Sight* U_U
JJ Madara >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SM Madara In Reaction & Striking Speed.
&...

Tobirama Reacted To Juubito & Tagged Him 5 Times Is BS!
The Explosive Tags Attached To Him When He Ripped Half Of Tobirama's Body & Passed Through It,As Its Impossible To Attach Them With Hand Due To Their Position One Was On Obito's Leg

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...Did Tobirama Crouch To Attach That One?
Tobirama Tagged Him 1 Time & Even That Was After He Got Hit.
The FTG Mark Was On Juubito's Right Armpit As You Can See

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,So According To Their Position

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I Believe Tobirama Tagged Him With His Left Hand After The Right Side Of His Body Was Ripped Off.

In Addition There's No Reason To Believe Minato Couldn't Tag Juubito By Sacrificing Half Of His Body.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Lol, based on what? Kurama is sealed inside Minato, and he controls Minato. Kabuto was controlling all the jinchuuriki with Edo Tensei and they could enter V2.

Don't try that. Kabuto revived and controlled the Jinchuuriki without their Bijuu. Obito sealed the tailed beasts back into each Jin afterwards. Then he used the power of the RINNEGAN and even sharingan genjutsu, and Rod Recievers to control them. Orochimaru has neither Rinnegan nor black rods. Kokuo then even resisted Obitos control control, Obito's whose power is far greater than Orochimaru. Kurama Jinchuuriki >>>>> than all the other edo Jins.

Not sure where you got Kabuto controlling the edo Jins. Obito took control of them himself. I shouldn't need to provide scans for that, you can look it up.

At least Tobirama could react to Madara's counterattack and teleported again. Minato got his other arm cut off when he attacked Madara, and that was SM Minato. Tobirama tagged Juubito, he has all around better reaction feats. Post a scan that puts Minato's reaction feats above Tobirama's.

So lemme get this straight...
SM Madara = Juubi jin Madara... Gotcha

Why don't you show me a scan of Tobirama reacting to Perfect Juubito and Juubi Jin Madara, then we can talk. If you aren't going to compare scenarios of similar instances, then don't bother comparing at all. Oh wow, he sacrificed half his body to tag something. The arm that Juubito made contact with and destroyed is what makes Juubito. Again, why didn't Tobirama reproduce the same results against a slower oppoenent? If Minato wanted to sacrifice half his body to land a mark, he would have.

Nagato being above V2 Bee means absolutely nothing because this Bee can go BM. Bee charges Nagato, Nagato uses ST to repel him, Bee fires bijuudama during 5 second interval, Nagato dies.

And you think Bee will have the composure to fire back tbb in Nagato's direction after a strong ST. Pain (weaker version of Nagato), sent three massive toads flying with just one small ST. You realise nagato's ST will send a Bijuu soaring uncontrollably. He'll be too disorientated to fire a single attack, after being hit by one of those. No different to Madara sending all Bijuu flying back and all the Bijuu were stunned.

Don't care about hype and portrayal, feats put Bee above Minato. Um, why would Bee fire off bijuudamas at an opponent he know can teleport? V2 Bee would get the job done, Minato lacks the firepower to kill him so Bee outlasts.

You simple minded users, always going on about firepower. Why does one need fire power when you are a master at sealing jutsu. Uzumaki clan was destroyed for those jutsu. V2 Bee touching Minato Lol... Pls tell me how, when v2 Ay can't. Minato who has already sealed tailed beasts using 2 different seals capable of sealing tailed beasts, yet you think Minato will struggle lol. A toad that can hold down 100% kurama, what do you think will happen to v2 bees tiny ass, he won't be able to freaking move. Now you've deviated from tailed beast Bomb, his strongest move, cuz you know it's useless...good glad you know that. Glad you don't care about hype and portrayal, fortunately the author does, he's made such comparisons evidently clear, so your opinion isn't important.

"Reasonable manga starting distance"...if your argument is seriously "Ay blitzes gg" then you need to rethink your stance. Ay blitzing an opponent =/= being overall stronger than the opponent anyway. Kisame doesn't have sharingan/rinnegan and is slower than Ay, yet he beats him. Fewer people can even detect the Mizukage's clam, deal with Joki Boy, or put the Mizukage down due to his hydrification.

did I mention Kisame as one of the people Ay beast.... No I didn't. And Ay's chances of beating Kisame are 50 50. If he knows Samehada out of Kisame's hands, after a full speed punch, then it's essentially gg.

Your Gai comparison is completely irrelevant because Itachi, Muu, Onoki, and Third Raikage can't actually prevent Gai from going 8 Gates like they can prevent Jiraiya from entering SM. Jiraiya never starts a battle in SM unless he gets prep time, should I put Konan on this list because she solos Jiraiya with Paper Ocean? Lol, obviously not since that requires prep time.

Of course they can prevent him. Itachi Amaterasus him while he's trying to open it. Anyone with knowledge of the games can see Gai is preparing to open it. It's far from instant. Jinton is faster than the opening of 8 gates. First he has to press on his chest, then the chakra accumulates to his heart, then he has to yell out Hachimon Tonkou no jin Open!. All that time Madara watched and allowed him to open that gate. Could've killed him right there. Plenty opponents can kill an 8 gates user before they have the chance to open the final gate. Only plot is what allowed Guy to awaken the eighth gate, nothing more

Base Jiraiya can't dodge Amaterasu or avoid getting caught in genjutsu or manhandled by Susanoo. Base Jiraiya can't avoid jinton. Base Jiraiya can't react to the Third Raikage. I'm one of the biggest Jiraiya fans on this site, believe me I know his limits.

Your logic is flawed. You include Gai's strongest form on your list, even though it can be interrupted. It isn't a 100% definite activation. This isn't like switching on the Mangekyou instantly. Jiraya managed a tranformation feat against Pain and his summons. So discounting his strongest form based on your personal opinion isn't cutting it. Otherwise Guy is in the same boat.

Guy never uses eight gates unless his life is put on the line for the sake of protecting his comrades.... See what I did there, Anyone can make up some bs excuse to exclude a characters power. So by your logic, Guy will never used eight gates in a fight. I wish people would stop making their own rules and excuses for different characters. Everything should apply to each character or at least be consistent.

 

[Beans2]

Don't try that. Kabuto revived and controlled the Jinchuuriki without their Bijuu. Obito sealed the tailed beasts back into each Jin afterwards. Then he used the power of the RINNEGAN and even sharingan genjutsu, and Rod Recievers to control them. Orochimaru has neither Rinnegan nor black rods. Kokuo then even resisted Obitos control control, Obito's whose power is far greater than Orochimaru. Kurama Jinchuuriki >>>>> than all the other edo Jins.

Not sure where you got Kabuto controlling the edo Jins. Obito took control of them himself. I shouldn't need to provide scans for that, you can look it up.

Right. Gotcha. Still no proof Orochimaru can't control Kurama. Minato is Orochimaru's pawn, bound by a contract seal in his head. Kurama is sealed inside that pawn, logically there's no reason why Minato can't use BM. Bijuu die when their host dies, so when Minato died Yin Kurama died too...therefore Yin Kurama was revived by Orochimaru by extension when Minato was brought back to life and is under the same Edo contract that Minato's under.

So lemme get this straight...
SM Madara = Juubi jin Madara... Gotcha

Why don't you show me a scan of Tobirama reacting to Perfect Juubito and Juubi Jin Madara, then we can talk. If you aren't going to compare scenarios of similar instances, then don't bother comparing at all. Oh wow, he sacrificed half his body to tag something. The arm that Juubito made contact with and destroyed is what makes Juubito. Again, why didn't Tobirama reproduce the same results against a slower oppoenent? If Minato wanted to sacrifice half his body to land a mark, he would have.

Lol, stop fanboying for a minute. Minato's reactions are below Tobirama's. Juubito

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before Minato could react. Minato doesn't even notice Obito left a TSB at his arm until Obito points it out for him. When Tobirama teleported to Minato

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, Minato couldn't even react, hence why he showed surprise (marked by the exclamation mark) until after Tobirama had teleported away again. Minato's striking speed is so slow that even base Bee was able to react to it, twice

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Tobirama reacted to Juubito fast enough to tag him before half his body was destroyed, he couldn't have tagged him after it got destroyed because he would not have had a right hand to mark him with. That feat alone is better than anything Minato has shown. I'm waiting for you to prove that Minato has faster reactions and striking speed than Tobirama because clearly Tobirama has better feats.

And you think Bee will have the composure to fire back tbb in Nagato's direction after a strong ST. Pain (weaker version of Nagato), sent three massive toads flying with just one small ST. You realise nagato's ST will send a Bijuu soaring uncontrollably. He'll be too disorientated to fire a single attack, after being hit by one of those. No different to Madara sending all Bijuu flying back and all the Bijuu were stunned.

Right, because ST will send a bijuu flying back uncontrollably when even KN6 Naruto repelled it (

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). Because when Bee was sent flying back by the Juubi, he couldn't load up a TBB and counterattack

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You simple minded users, always going on about firepower. Why does one need fire power when you are a master at sealing jutsu. Uzumaki clan was destroyed for those jutsu. V2 Bee touching Minato Lol... Pls tell me how, when v2 Ay can't. Minato who has already sealed tailed beasts using 2 different seals capable of sealing tailed beasts, yet you think Minato will struggle lol. A toad that can hold down 100% kurama, what do you think will happen to v2 bees tiny ass, he won't be able to freaking move. Now you've deviated from tailed beast Bomb, his strongest move, cuz you know it's useless...good glad you know that. Glad you don't care about hype and portrayal, fortunately the author does, he's made such comparisons evidently clear, so your opinion isn't important.

Sure, if Minato has a baby Naruto to seal the Hachibi into, then by all means he can seal him. Not sure what sealing jutsu exactly you are talking about that doesn't require a host. Not to mention Gyuki already has a host (Bee) so this wouldn't work anyway. Didn't say V2 Bee had to touch Minato, he just has to outlast. If Minato marks his V2 cloak, he can just deactivate the cloak and the mark goes away with it. Don't even mention toads, Food Cart Destroyer gets dodged no difficulty and the toad gets raped by chakra arms.

Bee wins in BM too, btw. Whirlwind destroys any kunais or marked locations and it's aoe is too big for Minato to avoid. Bijuu wave's AoE is too big too avoid. Tailed Beast Roar knocks back toad summons and Minato gets b*tch slapped by a tentacle. Now you're retreating to the portrayal argument, don't you think that Minato beats Ay and Bee simultaneously? Lol, ridiculous.

did I mention Kisame as one of the people Ay beast.... No I didn't. And Ay's chances of beating Kisame are 50 50. If he knows Samehada out of Kisame's hands, after a full speed punch, then it's essentially gg.

You said anyone without sharingan/byakugan gets blitzed and loses. If Ay decides to go V2 instantly and use lariat, Samehada heals the wound without difficulty seeing it healed an attack from V2 Bee's lariat which is >>> Ay's lariat since base Bee's lariat > V2 Ay's lariat. Not like Kisame can't just spit out water dome and knock Ay back with the force of the shockwave. Kisame beats Ay every time, my friend.

Of course they can prevent him. Itachi Amaterasus him while he's trying to open it. Anyone with knowledge of the games can see Gai is preparing to open it. It's far from instant. Jinton is faster than the opening of 8 gates. First he has to press on his chest, then the chakra accumulates to his heart, then he has to yell out Hachimon Tonkou no jin Open!. All that time Madara watched and allowed him to open that gate. Could've killed him right there. Plenty opponents can kill an 8 gates user before they have the chance to open the final gate. Only plot is what allowed Guy to awaken the eighth gate, nothing more
Your logic is flawed. You include Gai's strongest form on your list, even though it can be interrupted. It isn't a 100% definite activation. This isn't like switching on the Mangekyou instantly. Jiraya managed a tranformation feat against Pain and his summons. So discounting his strongest form based on your personal opinion isn't cutting it. Otherwise Guy is in the same boat.

Gai takes like...what? 5 seconds to open all 8 Gates? Jiraiya takes a few minutes to enter SM. Itachi using Amaterasu on him is a joke, 7th Gate Gai reacts to and dodges Amaterasu easily whereas the build up of chakra in Itachi's eye takes longer than that and he has to activate the mangekyou even prior to doing that. I'm not including Gai's strongest form, I'm talking about Gai starting in base who is free to open any of the 8 Gates that he chooses. And because he has access to the 8th Gate, that puts him in the place he is now. Stalling for time against Animal Path for 2 minutes is not even that good of a feat, Jiraiya's overall strength is based on him starting in base. I already showed you why your logic is flawed with the Konan Paper Ocean example, prep time isn't accounted for in overall strength.

Guy never uses eight gates unless his life is put on the line for the sake of protecting his comrades.... See what I did there, Anyone can make up some bs excuse to exclude a characters power. So by your logic, Guy will never used eight gates in a fight. I wish people would stop making their own rules and excuses for different characters. Everything should apply to each character or at least be consistent.

Except your excuses are shit. I'm not excluding a character's power, Jiraiya is free to enter Sage Mode, if he can. And against some of the opponents listed above him, he can't.

 

[ARGUS]

stop fanboying for a minute. Minato's reactions are below Tobirama's. Juubito blitzed his arm off before Minato could react. Minato doesn't even notice Obito left a TSB at his arm until Obito points it out for him. When Tobirama teleported to Minato here, Minato couldn't even react, hence why he showed surprise (marked by the exclamation mark) until after Tobirama had teleported away again. Minato's striking speed is so slow that even base Bee was able to react to it, twice [1][2]

Tobirama reacted to Juubito fast enough to tag him before half his body was destroyed, he couldn't have tagged him after it got destroyed because he would not have had a right hand to mark him with. That feat alone is better than anything Minato has shown. I'm waiting for you to prove that Minato has faster reactions and striking speed than Tobirama because clearly Tobirama has better feats.

Yep,, and What makes this even funnier is that this example involves KCM minato,
who is well above Base Minato in every way, shape or form

so no matter how you look at it, tobiramas reflexes and striking speed are comfortably above minatos,
whilst the latters shunshin is above tobiramas

 

[Sageflash]

Minato > Tobirama
Nagato > Killer Bee
Jiraiya > Kisame


Why no Toneri though?

 

[Beans2]

Minato > Tobirama
Nagato > Killer Bee
Jiraiya > Kisame

Why no Toneri though?

Tobirama > Minato, read the above arguments.
Bee > Nagato, read the above arguments.
Kisame vs SM Jiraiya can go either way but if Jiraiya starts in base he is not reaching Sage Mode.
I'm not including movie villains, I don't consider it canon even if Kishi said it was.