This is a pretty good list. But why is Sm kabuto(NO edos) in tier 7 with healthy Nagato, KCM Minato,KCM naruto,KB and Rinnegan Obito? All of those shinobis are much stronger than Kabuto IMO. I would place him in tier 8 personally.
Kabutos portrayal is still very good and is still portrayed to be on the same level as these guys,This is a pretty good list. But why is Sm kabuto(NO edos) in tier 7 with healthy Nagato, KCM Minato,KCM naruto,KB and Rinnegan Obito? All of those shinobis are much stronger than Kabuto IMO. I would place him in tier 8 personally.
THen hagoromo reacts from her interdimensional attacks through his RSM just how naruto did in canonThen she counters just like she did against Naruto and Sasuke. She warps away, goes to the ice dimension, freezes him and warps away. Or counter attacks with chakra fists or ash killing bones.
His PS lacking feats is a very logical argumentThat isn't a logical argument. Saying his PS lacks feats, so its massively weaker than Madara's doesn't make sense.
like i said hiis PS lacks feats,I was clearly comparing his Kurama chakra enhanced V3 (This was before Senjutsu) to his PS. It can make shockwaves, no reason why his PS can't, unless you think that Susanoo is stronger than his PS.
Nagato and Sasuke should be on the same level, iTrue. But so much stronger that he'd drop from Madara's level to Nagato's level? So much stronger that Nagato can overpower it? Gonna need the proof, cause other evidence disagrees with that gap.
Yes it does,Not relevant in this fight. Less weapons doesn't equate to strength, it just means that Madara's can cut with double the power at once. Sasuke doesn't need that kind of power for Nagato.
It was debunked due to sasuke possessing the rikudo chakra, which amplifies the susanooNot relevant. Size=Strength was debunked when Sasuke's Rikudo PS was shown to be tiers above Madara's even though Madara's is much larger.
exactly, thats all thats required since sasukes PS lacks the feats,You say "obviously" but to this day, I have seen no logical argument that supports Madara's PS being much stronger than Sasuke's. Just "No feats"
ST will repel the jutsu, he can activate ST on the right momentSusanoo activates and stays active, so if he uses it before Kirin hits, then it doesn't matter. Shinra Tensei is a quick, not continuous, and a short burst of repulsive force. If he uses ST before Kirin hits him, ST won't hit Kirin, it'd activate, resolve, and then Kirin would slam
I will need proof on that which you dont haveExcept it can, so he dies. Mid diff.
He didnnt activate susanoo against madara???Susanoo activates, Ningendo and Shurado are then rendered useless.
I never said that,1. Madara=/=Nagato. Lets not go there.
I dont think so2. That was Limbo.
i think we should just agree to disagreeThere is enough manga material to discuss this match up. When anyone can show me Madara's Susanoo being so far above Sasuke's, that his PS would be so much weaker that it can't generate a shockwave, then I'll concede. Fair comparisons please.
Oo ii think u forgot BM naruto in ur list,Yeah, I didn't want to do the top tiers and then not do the lower tiers.
Deidara beats all these peopleHirzuen hebi sasuke kakuzu how?.
@boldKabutos portrayal is still very good and is still portrayed to be on the same level as these guys,
the fact taht he was handling Edo Itachi and EMS sasuke, at the same time is still a very good feat,
he can also give each of these characters a very good fight under favorable conditions,
He definitely isn't going to 4, 3 is a big no-no. Most of the people there would be beaten by him with ease.Sasuke belongs in tier 3 or 4.
Lol, Glad to hear that.This is the most legit tier list i have ever seen here
Thanks bro.Not too bad. Not too bad.
lol, thanks dude.I seen a bunch of flaws, but its your opinion. Kool list though my guy!
Thanks man.Nice list you got there. Well done man.![]()
Nope. Anyone in there wrecks him.Juubito should be in tier 2
Based on the placements of Kakashi (Who has a portion of Rikudo's power), I placed Indra and Asura. Hamura gets placed there since he was probably on par with Hagoromo before becoming a Jin, and that's the tier he belongs in. Not a tier below, or in the same tier as JJ Madara.and what are the battle feats of Indra,Asura and Hamura?
Lol, very funny.cuz if this list is by Hype and not by feats then Hypuzen Sarutobi should be above Kaguya cuz he's supposed " g*d of shinobi "
Neji? Maybe. Hiaishi? I don't think so, especially considering everyone in that tier would comfortably handle him.OT: This is a really good list. I feel Hiashi and Neji should go up a bit...everything else is perfect.
They aren't beating Kakuzu, nor are they beating Hebi Sasuke. And they definitely don't beat the people a tier above.Deidara beats all these people
Sakura/tsunade do to.
They can't use that alone, only together.I don't see how kakuzu or hebi sasuke can fight against them and 10% katsuyu at the same time.
Everyone in the manga disagrees with this statement. Everyone. Feats also disagree.Hirzuen is just weak he isn't even that strong.
THen hagoromo reacts from her interdimensional attacks through his RSM just how naruto did in canon
she isnt doing that GG attack on hagoromo here,
No, its far from being logical.His PS lacking feats is a very logical argument
feats are better than assumptions
Already have. When you can show me the big gap between any of Madara's Susanoo versions and Sasuke's:like i said hiis PS lacks feats,
if he does make shockwave then we cant just assume that they are on the same level as madaras,
it lacks enough evidence
unless you can prove that sasukes PS shockwaves can bisect mountains
No, they aren't on the same level, and I've seen nothing from you to actually prove me wrong.Nagato and Sasuke should be on the same level, i
nagato doesnt need to overpower it, when he can just defend himself and outlast sasuke since using something as large as PS would still take alot of chakra from sasuke
More blades=More times he can attack=More power he can use at one time.Yes it does,
the main offennse of PS results from its blades,
the more the blades the better,
"Why?" Is obviously irrelevant. If size=strength, than Sasuke's Susanoo would be weaker than Madara's. Simple as that. But size doesn't equal strength, as shown when Sasuke's Susanoo surpassed Madara's without getting stronger.It was debunked due to sasuke possessing the rikudo chakra, which amplifies the susanoo
sasuke here doesnt have the rikudo chakra,
Your post is nothing but illogical, not logical. Where is the proof that Madara's Susanoo is a level above Sasuke's? I asked you to show me the gap between their other versions, yet I've seen nothing.exactly, thats all thats required since sasukes PS lacks the feats,
his stamina is lower than madaras, and with madaras PS possessing more blades he can overwhelm sasukes PS with ease
If he doesn't react to Sasuke's hand moving downward, he dies as he can't react to Kirin. There is no "At the right moment" for him.ST will repel the jutsu, he can activate ST on the right moment
Then he loses his Deva powers and PS rapes him.and a large scale ST would prevent him and repel the attack completely
Except he'll be in Susanoo.and if sasuke uses kirin when hes not camped inside susanoo then nagatos large scale ST can also affect sasuke
I've provided enough evidence. All I'm hearing from you is this terrible "No feats" argument. Terrible, and stale. Its clear you have no real reply to my main point, hence the "no feats" reply.I will need proof on that which you dont have
Irrelevant for obvious reasons. Is this Madara vs Nagato? No. If you can get me something that shows he can't use Susanoo, then I'll agree. Until then, lol. No.He didnnt activate susanoo against madara???
Wow...:| Not even sure if serious with this whole post.I never said that,
however madara did immobilise sasuke through his deva path type technique which nagato has
You haven't provided any argument that Nagato is in Sasuke's tier. You've repeated the same no feats nonsense and I've yet to get a real reply to my argument.i think we should just agree to disagree
I wasn't going to add Edos, but he'd go in the same tier as BSM Naruto. Which is above EMS Madara's tier.Oo ii think u forgot BM naruto in ur list,
he should be in the same tier as EMS Madara IMO
Yeah, I'll move him down to 8.This is a pretty good list. But why is Sm kabuto(NO edos) in tier 7 with healthy Nagato, KCM Minato,KCM naruto,KB and Rinnegan Obito? All of those shinobis are much stronger than Kabuto IMO. I would place him in tier 8 personally.
He's up there because of his Double Rinnegan, not because of his third eye.The third eye has only shown to be able to cast IT and switch dimensions. Third eye Madara shouldn't be up that high, IMO.
I'm not going to argue with you. It's your tier listThey aren't beating kakuzu or hebi sasuke. Not anyone in tier above .
@Nagato - I don't see how PS is an issue since Nagato can continually blast it away with ST, or absorb the Susano'o with Preta PathWhen PS comes out, Nagato can't harm it, nor can he stop its attacks. They aren't on the same level.
He's stronger than EMS Sasuke before getting Perfect Susanoo. Which is included in this list, so that's why Sasuke is a tier above.
Nope. Explained why.
Nope. Explained why as well. I think.
Ok, I can do that.
He can't beat any of them.
Thanks man.
Did you seriously just say Deidara beats Hebi Sasuke... :|Deidara beats all these people
Sakura/tsunade do to.
I don't see how kakuzu or hebi sasuke can fight against them and 10% katsuyu at the same time.
Hirzuen is just weak he isn't even that strong.
Madara cut two Mountains without touching them. He cuts Nagato the same way, thus he can't absorb it, and he can't continually blast it away. He has a 5 second limit, and it'd require his strongest Shinra Tensei to budge PS, and that leaves him without Deva's powers for an extended period of time.@Nagato - I don't see how PS is an issue since Nagato can continually blast it away with ST, or absorb the Susano'o with Preta Path
They all have the speed and reactions or jutsu to evade Jinton.@Mu - how does Gai, Kakashi, or SM Naruto beat Mu?
Nope. Hagoromo poops on him. Pre Jin Hagoromo fought Kaguya with Hamura, this is Jin Hagoromo we are talking about.Still 3 rinnegan madara compared to SO6P is a doubt fact is he neversealed kaguya alone CT was made by hamura and hagoromo
Even if they beat any of these guys, it wouldn't be at a low enough difficulty to warrant them moving up a tier. Ay, Oro and Hanzo are hanging off the edge of that tier anyway.I'm not going to argue with you. It's your tier list
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I don't even know where you get that hanzo carp from. He's soloed quie easily. His reactions/durability aren't great enough to survive a punch to the groundEven if they beat any of these guys, it wouldn't be at a low enough difficulty to warrant them moving up a tier. Ay, Oro and Hanzo are hanging off the edge of that tier anyway.
Noooooooooooo I just typed that for fun :|Did you seriously just say Deidara beats Hebi Sasuke... :|
Only a delusional fanboy/fangirl or a troll would believe that Hanzo gets easily solo'd by Tsunade or Sakura's punch to the ground of all things when he was able to take on all 3 Sannin in his prime. Unless you think Tsunade or Sakura would solo Hanzo fight Sannin with a punch...LolI don't even know where you get that hanzo carp from. He's soled quie easily. His reactions/durability isn't strong enough to survive a punch to the ground
No, they aren't. Ay or Orochimaru would beat them mid-high diff. Why don't you actually explain how they lose instead of repeating that they lose.Orochimaru and Ay are defeated at high diff. I don't understand your ranking. You put people who can defeat people on higher tier lower then them? Like really
Another one you put choji tier 10 and temari tier 11. She can lieteraly cut him in half in the first few secs of the fight.
Yes, because Choji is going to sit there like a retard and let Temari cut him in half.Am I supposed to be taking you seriously here?