My Tier List.

[Conspirator.]

This is a pretty good list. But why is Sm kabuto(NO edos) in tier 7 with healthy Nagato, KCM Minato,KCM naruto,KB and Rinnegan Obito? All of those shinobis are much stronger than Kabuto IMO. I would place him in tier 8 personally.

 

[ARGUS]

This is a pretty good list. But why is Sm kabuto(NO edos) in tier 7 with healthy Nagato, KCM Minato,KCM naruto,KB and Rinnegan Obito? All of those shinobis are much stronger than Kabuto IMO. I would place him in tier 8 personally.

Kabutos portrayal is still very good and is still portrayed to be on the same level as these guys,
the fact taht he was handling Edo Itachi and EMS sasuke, at the same time is still a very good feat,
he can also give each of these characters a very good fight under favorable conditions,

 

[ARGUS]

Then she counters just like she did against Naruto and Sasuke. She warps away, goes to the ice dimension, freezes him and warps away. Or counter attacks with chakra fists or ash killing bones.

THen hagoromo reacts from her interdimensional attacks through his RSM just how naruto did in canon
she isnt doing that GG attack on hagoromo here,

That isn't a logical argument. Saying his PS lacks feats, so its massively weaker than Madara's doesn't make sense.

His PS lacking feats is a very logical argument
feats are better than assumptions

I was clearly comparing his Kurama chakra enhanced V3 (This was before Senjutsu) to his PS. It can make shockwaves, no reason why his PS can't, unless you think that Susanoo is stronger than his PS.

like i said hiis PS lacks feats,
if he does make shockwave then we cant just assume that they are on the same level as madaras,
it lacks enough evidence
unless you can prove that sasukes PS shockwaves can bisect mountains

True. But so much stronger that he'd drop from Madara's level to Nagato's level? So much stronger that Nagato can overpower it? Gonna need the proof, cause other evidence disagrees with that gap.

Nagato and Sasuke should be on the same level, i
nagato doesnt need to overpower it, when he can just defend himself and outlast sasuke since using something as large as PS would still take alot of chakra from sasuke

Not relevant in this fight. Less weapons doesn't equate to strength, it just means that Madara's can cut with double the power at once. Sasuke doesn't need that kind of power for Nagato.

Yes it does,
the main offennse of PS results from its blades,
the more the blades the better,

Not relevant. Size=Strength was debunked when Sasuke's Rikudo PS was shown to be tiers above Madara's even though Madara's is much larger.

It was debunked due to sasuke possessing the rikudo chakra, which amplifies the susanoo
sasuke here doesnt have the rikudo chakra,

You say "obviously" but to this day, I have seen no logical argument that supports Madara's PS being much stronger than Sasuke's. Just "No feats"

exactly, thats all thats required since sasukes PS lacks the feats,
his stamina is lower than madaras, and with madaras PS possessing more blades he can overwhelm sasukes PS with ease

Susanoo activates and stays active, so if he uses it before Kirin hits, then it doesn't matter. Shinra Tensei is a quick, not continuous, and a short burst of repulsive force. If he uses ST before Kirin hits him, ST won't hit Kirin, it'd activate, resolve, and then Kirin would slam

ST will repel the jutsu, he can activate ST on the right moment
and a large scale ST would prevent him and repel the attack completely
and if sasuke uses kirin when hes not camped inside susanoo then nagatos large scale ST can also affect sasuke

Except it can, so he dies. Mid diff.

I will need proof on that which you dont have

Susanoo activates, Ningendo and Shurado are then rendered useless.

He didnnt activate susanoo against madara???

1. Madara=/=Nagato. Lets not go there.

I never said that,
however madara did immobilise sasuke through his deva path type technique which nagato has

2. That was Limbo.

I dont think so

There is enough manga material to discuss this match up. When anyone can show me Madara's Susanoo being so far above Sasuke's, that his PS would be so much weaker that it can't generate a shockwave, then I'll concede. Fair comparisons please.

i think we should just agree to disagree

Yeah, I didn't want to do the top tiers and then not do the lower tiers.

Oo ii think u forgot BM naruto in ur list,
he should be in the same tier as EMS Madara IMO

 

[Power Bottom]

Hirzuen hebi sasuke kakuzu how?.

Deidara beats all these people
Sakura/tsunade do to.

I don't see how kakuzu or hebi sasuke can fight against them and 10% katsuyu at the same time.


Hirzuen is just weak he isn't even that strong.

 

[Haizaki]

Deidara beats Sasuke despite Sasuke giving him no other option but to blow himself up even with no intel?



OT: This is a really good list. I feel Hiashi and Neji should go up a bit...everything else is perfect.

 

[synkross]

Juubito should be in tier 2

and what are the battle feats of Indra,Asura and Hamura?
cuz if this list is by Hype and not by feats then Hypuzen Sarutobi should be above Kaguya cuz he's supposed " g*d of shinobi "

 

[King Of Pop]

good list bro, don't have much isuues with it

 

[Sakura x Ino]

Rikudo naruto on tier 1, Sasuke rinnegan tier 3

 

[A v i]

Nice list you got there. Well done man.

 

[Conspirator.]

Kabutos portrayal is still very good and is still portrayed to be on the same level as these guys,
the fact taht he was handling Edo Itachi and EMS sasuke, at the same time is still a very good feat,
he can also give each of these characters a very good fight under favorable conditions,

@bold
By favourable conditions, you mean in a cave? Well yes. However,DSM Kabuto gets shat on by all the shinobis in an open space. Furthermore, there are characters in tier 8 who can probably beat him.(MS Obito and War arc Kakashi in particular-although Kabuto is stronger than the latter overall). Either way, he's obviously above everyone power wise in tier 8, but below everyone is tier 7. I believe he's closer to 8 than 7.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke belongs in tier 3 or 4.

He definitely isn't going to 4, 3 is a big no-no. Most of the people there would be beaten by him with ease.

This is the most legit tier list i have ever seen here

Lol, Glad to hear that.

Not too bad. Not too bad.

Thanks bro.

I seen a bunch of flaws, but its your opinion. Kool list though my guy!

lol, thanks dude.

Nice list you got there. Well done man.

Thanks man.

Juubito should be in tier 2

Nope. Anyone in there wrecks him.

and what are the battle feats of Indra,Asura and Hamura?

Based on the placements of Kakashi (Who has a portion of Rikudo's power), I placed Indra and Asura. Hamura gets placed there since he was probably on par with Hagoromo before becoming a Jin, and that's the tier he belongs in. Not a tier below, or in the same tier as JJ Madara.

cuz if this list is by Hype and not by feats then Hypuzen Sarutobi should be above Kaguya cuz he's supposed " g*d of shinobi "

Lol, very funny.

OT: This is a really good list. I feel Hiashi and Neji should go up a bit...everything else is perfect.

Neji? Maybe. Hiaishi? I don't think so, especially considering everyone in that tier would comfortably handle him.

Deidara beats all these people
Sakura/tsunade do to.

They aren't beating Kakuzu, nor are they beating Hebi Sasuke. And they definitely don't beat the people a tier above.

I don't see how kakuzu or hebi sasuke can fight against them and 10% katsuyu at the same time.

They can't use that alone, only together.

Hirzuen is just weak he isn't even that strong.

Everyone in the manga disagrees with this statement. Everyone. Feats also disagree.

THen hagoromo reacts from her interdimensional attacks through his RSM just how naruto did in canon
she isnt doing that GG attack on hagoromo here,

-Never once mentioned interdimensional attacks. I simply said she warps to Ice Dimension, which freezes him in his tracks. Thus he can't touch her. The rest is valid, but it still stops him from sealing her. Not to mention I've already posted why Kaguya beats Hagoromo going by feats anyway.

His PS lacking feats is a very logical argument
feats are better than assumptions

No, its far from being logical.

Feats are better than assumptions, but what I'm doing is making a logical inference, which has gotten no reply besides the illogical, cop out "No feats" argument.

-I guess Asura's Avatar gets blown apart by Shinsuusenju because it has no feats.

-I guess Indra's PS gets blown apart by Shinsuusenju or Madara's PS, because it has no feats.

Lol, lets stop with this nonsense.

like i said hiis PS lacks feats,
if he does make shockwave then we cant just assume that they are on the same level as madaras,
it lacks enough evidence
unless you can prove that sasukes PS shockwaves can bisect mountains

Already have. When you can show me the big gap between any of Madara's Susanoo versions and Sasuke's:

Ribcage
V1
V2
V3
V4

Then we can talk about it not being on the same level as Madara's. Until then, I'm not tryna here this stale "No feats" argument. Either answer the question or concede, cause you haven't done either yet.

Not to mention a shockwave that cuts doesn't need to cut a Mountain to cut Nagato, but that's not relevant.

Nagato and Sasuke should be on the same level, i
nagato doesnt need to overpower it, when he can just defend himself and outlast sasuke since using something as large as PS would still take alot of chakra from sasuke

No, they aren't on the same level, and I've seen nothing from you to actually prove me wrong.

Lol. If he has to outlast Sasuke, then they aren't on the same level. "Take a lot of chakra" is a poor excuse. Sasuke fought this whole war, used PS all throughout Juubito's defeat, and he still wasn't tired. Nagato isn't going to outlast him anyway since he'll be killed after 2 sword swings.

Not to mention he can't defend from PS shockwaves.

Yes it does,
the main offennse of PS results from its blades,
the more the blades the better,

More blades=More times he can attack=More power he can use at one time.

Does that change the fact that his Susanoo only cuts Mountains? No.

It was debunked due to sasuke possessing the rikudo chakra, which amplifies the susanoo
sasuke here doesnt have the rikudo chakra,

"Why?" Is obviously irrelevant. If size=strength, than Sasuke's Susanoo would be weaker than Madara's. Simple as that. But size doesn't equal strength, as shown when Sasuke's Susanoo surpassed Madara's without getting stronger.

exactly, thats all thats required since sasukes PS lacks the feats,
his stamina is lower than madaras, and with madaras PS possessing more blades he can overwhelm sasukes PS with ease

Your post is nothing but illogical, not logical. Where is the proof that Madara's Susanoo is a level above Sasuke's? I asked you to show me the gap between their other versions, yet I've seen nothing.

Lol, stamina=/=PS strength. So don't even try it.

More blades only means he can cut more times at once. Does that mean that Sasuke's PS can't cut Mountains?

No. Like I said, concede or answer the question with fair comparisons.

ST will repel the jutsu, he can activate ST on the right moment

If he doesn't react to Sasuke's hand moving downward, he dies as he can't react to Kirin. There is no "At the right moment" for him.

and a large scale ST would prevent him and repel the attack completely

Then he loses his Deva powers and PS rapes him.

and if sasuke uses kirin when hes not camped inside susanoo then nagatos large scale ST can also affect sasuke

Except he'll be in Susanoo.

I will need proof on that which you dont have

I've provided enough evidence. All I'm hearing from you is this terrible "No feats" argument. Terrible, and stale. Its clear you have no real reply to my main point, hence the "no feats" reply.

He didnnt activate susanoo against madara???

Irrelevant for obvious reasons. Is this Madara vs Nagato? No. If you can get me something that shows he can't use Susanoo, then I'll agree. Until then, lol. No.

I never said that,
however madara did immobilise sasuke through his deva path type technique which nagato has

Wow...:| Not even sure if serious with this whole post.

1. If it is another jutsu, stop giving the feats to Nagato as Nagato isn't Madara, nor is he anywhere near as strong or as capable with the Rinnegan as he is with it. Lol. I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

2. Why is it a Deva Path technique? Everyone thought that Limbo was Deva Path before it came out, but then it was revealed to be a clone. Stop making assumptions backed on no evidence.

3. That was obviously Limbo.

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Naruto and Sasuke were stuck in mid air the same exact way.

Madara focuses his vision on Sauske, just like he did to the Bijuu.

i think we should just agree to disagree

You haven't provided any argument that Nagato is in Sasuke's tier. You've repeated the same no feats nonsense and I've yet to get a real reply to my argument.

Oo ii think u forgot BM naruto in ur list,
he should be in the same tier as EMS Madara IMO

I wasn't going to add Edos, but he'd go in the same tier as BSM Naruto. Which is above EMS Madara's tier.

This is a pretty good list. But why is Sm kabuto(NO edos) in tier 7 with healthy Nagato, KCM Minato,KCM naruto,KB and Rinnegan Obito? All of those shinobis are much stronger than Kabuto IMO. I would place him in tier 8 personally.

Yeah, I'll move him down to 8.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

The third eye has only shown to be able to cast IT and switch dimensions. Third eye Madara shouldn't be up that high, IMO.

 

[KidGamer65]

The third eye has only shown to be able to cast IT and switch dimensions. Third eye Madara shouldn't be up that high, IMO.

He's up there because of his Double Rinnegan, not because of his third eye.

 

[Power Bottom]

They aren't beating kakuzu or hebi sasuke. Not anyone in tier above .

I'm not going to argue with you. It's your tier list

The beat

Hanzo
Ay
Orichimaru(ET) restricted

 

[PIOLO]

Still 3 rinnegan madara compared to SO6P is a doubt fact is he neversealed kaguya alone CT was made by hamura and hagoromo

 

[Beans2]

When PS comes out, Nagato can't harm it, nor can he stop its attacks. They aren't on the same level.


He's stronger than EMS Sasuke before getting Perfect Susanoo. Which is included in this list, so that's why Sasuke is a tier above.


Nope. Explained why.


Nope. Explained why as well. I think.


Ok, I can do that.




He can't beat any of them.



Thanks man.

@Nagato - I don't see how PS is an issue since Nagato can continually blast it away with ST, or absorb the Susano'o with Preta Path
@Mu - how does Gai, Kakashi, or SM Naruto beat Mu?
@Other stuff - well, just a difference in opinion I guess.

 

[Beans2]

Deidara beats all these people
Sakura/tsunade do to.

I don't see how kakuzu or hebi sasuke can fight against them and 10% katsuyu at the same time.


Hirzuen is just weak he isn't even that strong.

Did you seriously just say Deidara beats Hebi Sasuke... :|

 

[KidGamer65]

@Nagato - I don't see how PS is an issue since Nagato can continually blast it away with ST, or absorb the Susano'o with Preta Path

Madara cut two Mountains without touching them. He cuts Nagato the same way, thus he can't absorb it, and he can't continually blast it away. He has a 5 second limit, and it'd require his strongest Shinra Tensei to budge PS, and that leaves him without Deva's powers for an extended period of time.

@Mu - how does Gai, Kakashi, or SM Naruto beat Mu?

They all have the speed and reactions or jutsu to evade Jinton.

-Kakashi has Kamui teleportation.

-Gai has Gates.

-SM Naruto has sensing, enhanced reflexes, and a fast Shunshin.

If he becomes visible to use it, he'd get killed by Kamui, Hirudora, or Rasen Shuriken. Though I suppose he can take Kakashi or Gai by becoming invisible and killing them with his sword, but that won't work on Naruto since he's too durable to get cut by his swords, so Naruto definitely beats him. Gai and Kakashi depends.

Still 3 rinnegan madara compared to SO6P is a doubt fact is he neversealed kaguya alone CT was made by hamura and hagoromo

Nope. Hagoromo poops on him. Pre Jin Hagoromo fought Kaguya with Hamura, this is Jin Hagoromo we are talking about.

I'm not going to argue with you. It's your tier list

The beat

Hanzo
Ay
Orichimaru(ET) restricted

Even if they beat any of these guys, it wouldn't be at a low enough difficulty to warrant them moving up a tier. Ay, Oro and Hanzo are hanging off the edge of that tier anyway.

 

[Power Bottom]

Even if they beat any of these guys, it wouldn't be at a low enough difficulty to warrant them moving up a tier. Ay, Oro and Hanzo are hanging off the edge of that tier anyway.

I don't even know where you get that hanzo carp from. He's soloed quie easily. His reactions/durability aren't great enough to survive a punch to the ground

Orochimaru and Ay are defeated at high diff. I don't understand your ranking. You put people who can defeat someone on a higher tier lower then them? Like really

Another one you put choji tier 10 and temari tier 11. She can lieteraly cut him in half in the first few secs of the fight.

Did you seriously just say Deidara beats Hebi Sasuke... :|

Noooooooooooo I just typed that for fun :|

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't even know where you get that hanzo carp from. He's soled quie easily. His reactions/durability isn't strong enough to survive a punch to the ground

Only a delusional fanboy/fangirl or a troll would believe that Hanzo gets easily solo'd by Tsunade or Sakura's punch to the ground of all things when he was able to take on all 3 Sannin in his prime. Unless you think Tsunade or Sakura would solo Hanzo fight Sannin with a punch...Lol

He summons Ibuse, poisons them, and watches as they die.

Orochimaru and Ay are defeated at high diff. I don't understand your ranking. You put people who can defeat people on higher tier lower then them? Like really

No, they aren't. Ay or Orochimaru would beat them mid-high diff. Why don't you actually explain how they lose instead of repeating that they lose.

Another one you put choji tier 10 and temari tier 11. She can lieteraly cut him in half in the first few secs of the fight.

Yes, because Choji is going to sit there like a retard and let Temari cut him in half. Am I supposed to be taking you seriously here?