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There is absolutely no way Kakashi being above a Sannin and base Guy beating Tsunade. That's bullshit.

Part 1 Kakashi was said to be Konoha's best shinobi. Better than old Hiruzen. Databook 1.

She was bullied by a non serious Kabuto. Gai would speedblitz and ragdoll her, being also a hundred times more skilled. He also has Gates, obviously.
 

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Didn't bother to finish once i seen Jiraiya number 1. Him and Tsunade had a hard time dealing with armless Orochimaru. Itachi Amaterasu one shots pt1 Jiraiya.
top 4 is ok


rest makes me want to delete me account
I only agree with the bold.

1. Itachi
2. Orochimaru
3. Jiraiya
4. Hiruzen
5. Tsunade
6. Kisame
7. Kakashi
8. Guy
9. Zabuza
10. Kabuto
Pt 1 Gaara easily beats Zabunza Tsunade Hiruzen.

Tsunade should be above Gaara

Naruto should be =< Sasuke

Kimimaro should be above Gaara as he owned him in canon

Kabuto should be there instead of Naruto/Sasuke.
Yepp Kimmimaro owened Gaara and he only hit him once.

OPs list is virtually indisputable.

I've sat here for over half an hour trying to crack the list, but it isn't possible.

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WTF? Kimmimaro under and Gaara? Based on FEATS and everyone is at Peak form (aka no sickness)

1. Itachi Uchiha (Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi where the strongest Jutsu at the time)
2. Orochimaru (Manda has already shown that he can solo drugged Jiraiya + Gambunta + Katsuyu)
3. Kimmimaro (Sawarabi No Mai was OP, hardly anything in Part 1 that can bypass his durability, fast, strong etc....)
4. Gaara (At the end of Part 1, he was basically current Gaara with far less chakra and creativity)
5. Jiraiya (He was not all that impressive in Part 1 tbh, literally the only technique that was impressive was Yomi Numa)
6. Tsunade (She was about as slightly weaker then Part 1 Kakashi in base, Katsuyu is what puts her this high)
7. Hiruzen (As an old man his stamina was terrible, one of the few cases where age actually affected a character for the worst)
8. Kakashi (Stamina is what really drops him in Part 1, he has like x20 more stamina now then he did back then)
9. Kabuto (He was pretty impressive in Part 1, beat Tsunade in CQC)
10. Zabuza (Hidden Mist was OP, that's what puts him here)
 

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OPs list is virtually indisputable.

I've sat here for over half an hour trying to crack the list, but it isn't possible.

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Just because Gaara beat Kimimaro doesn't mean he's above him. It was a sick and dying Kimi, and even then gaara's win was an incredible stroke of luck. Gai also isn't on the list
 

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He defeated three of Orochimaru's boss snakes at once with a Food Cart Destroyer.
He sunk another snake in Yomi Numa and then remarked at how pitiful and small his swamp was.
Toad Mouth Gourd digests Orochimaru in seconds.
Hashirama's mokuton and Tobirama's suiton get burned down and evaporated by Jiraiya's giant katon.
Rasengan, giant boss summons, hair techniques, sealing techniques...Orochimaru can't win this.

Manda > any frog summon
Leech All Creation > Dark Swamp
Orochimaru's durability > Toad Mouth Gourd. Seriously, Animal Path resisted that technique long enough to wound Jiraiya, and yet Orochimaru succumbs to it in seconds? No.
Jiraiya has no Sealing Jutsu that I know of to stop Edo Hashirama and Tobirama.
Rasengan does nothing. Manda > Toads. What Sealing Techniques?

Orochimaru has beaten Jiraiya once before. And he out-maneuvered him again in the Sannin's Deadlock.
 

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Well, imo.

1) Itachi.
2) Orochimaru.
3) Hiruzen.
4) Jiraiya.
5) Tsunade.
6) Gai.
7) Kakashi.
8) Kabuto.
9) Kisame.
10) Kimimaro.

Honorable mention: Gaara.
I don't think i forgot anyone.
 

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Manda > any frog summon

What makes you think this? Besides: Yomi Numa > any snake summon bar Manda

Leech All Creation > Dark Swamp

Jiraiya won't be using the swamp directly on Orochimaru, rather he will be using it on his snake summons.

Orochimaru's durability > Toad Mouth Gourd. Seriously, Animal Path resisted that technique long enough to wound Jiraiya, and yet Orochimaru succumbs to it in seconds? No.

Okay, but I don't see how Orochimaru survives stomach acid, even if it's for a little while.
Also there's Toad Mouth Bind to think about.

Jiraiya has no Sealing Jutsu that I know of to stop Edo Hashirama and Tobirama.
Rasengan does nothing. Manda > Toads. What Sealing Techniques?

Again, why do you think that Manda > all toads? Is it because one time, under certain circumstances, Manda outsmarted Gamabunta? That exact scenario will not play out again. He sealed Amaterasu once before, and there are other ways to put down Edos other than sealing them (such as sinking them in a swamp.)

Orochimaru has beaten Jiraiya once before. And he out-maneuvered him again in the Sannin's Deadlock.

Lol the first battle was totally irrelevant because: it was off-panel, Jiraiya and Orochimaru were both 20+ years younger at the time, and we don't even know who won, plus Jiraiya didn't have killing intent. Sannin deadlock was irrelevant as well since they were both handicapped (although Jiraiya moreso than Orochimaru.)

Either way, it doesn't matter whether you or I think Jiraiya wins against Orochimaru or not since in Part 1 the manga made clear who was the stronger of the two, using Itachi as a reference point. Orochimaru admitted inferiority to Itachi; Itachi admitted he was on equal or lower standing than Jiraiya; Itachi and his partner fled from Jiraiya. there's really nothing more that needs to be said.
 

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Well, imo.

1) Itachi.
2) Orochimaru.
3) Hiruzen.
4) Jiraiya.
5) Tsunade.
6) Gai.
7) Kakashi.
8) Kabuto.
9) Kisame.
10) Kimimaro.

Honorable mention: Gaara.
I don't think i forgot anyone.

Gaara or Kimimaro destroy Part 1 Kabuto. Gai and Kisame have few Part 1 feats.

WTF? Kimmimaro under and Gaara? Based on FEATS and everyone is at Peak form (aka no sickness)

1. Itachi Uchiha (Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi where the strongest Jutsu at the time)
2. Orochimaru (Manda has already shown that he can solo drugged Jiraiya + Gambunta + Katsuyu)
3. Kimmimaro (Sawarabi No Mai was OP, hardly anything in Part 1 that can bypass his durability, fast, strong etc....)
4. Gaara (At the end of Part 1, he was basically current Gaara with far less chakra and creativity)
5. Jiraiya (He was not all that impressive in Part 1 tbh, literally the only technique that was impressive was Yomi Numa)
6. Tsunade (She was about as slightly weaker then Part 1 Kakashi in base, Katsuyu is what puts her this high)
7. Hiruzen (As an old man his stamina was terrible, one of the few cases where age actually affected a character for the worst)
8. Kakashi (Stamina is what really drops him in Part 1, he has like x20 more stamina now then he did back then)
9. Kabuto (He was pretty impressive in Part 1, beat Tsunade in CQC)
10. Zabuza (Hidden Mist was OP, that's what puts him here)

Lol, you put Jiraiya under Kimimaro and Gaara. That's laughable especially since Gamabunta solo'd Shukaku. Zabuza is on there and not Haku even when Zabuza admitted Haku was stronger than him.
 

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Lol, you put Jiraiya under Kimimaro and Gaara. That's laughable especially since Gamabunta solo'd Shukaku. Zabuza is on there and not Haku even when Zabuza admitted Haku was stronger than him.

Gambunta solo'd Shukaku? Your kidding right? He was getting destroyed by an imperfect Shukaku. Jiraiya had not displayed much impressive feats in part 1.

Bias aside, explain to me how Haku is stronger then Zabuza. The guy lost to Early Part 1 Sasuke in a battle of speed, don't give me BS.
 

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Gambunta solo'd Shukaku? Your kidding right? He was getting destroyed by an imperfect Shukaku. Jiraiya had not displayed much impressive feats in part 1.

Bias aside, explain to me how Haku is stronger then Zabuza. The guy lost to Early Part 1 Sasuke in a battle of speed, don't give me BS.

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Jiraiya squashes three of Orochimaru's snakes at once

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Creates a juubi sized katon

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Creates giant swamp which he later comments is "pitiful" and acknowledges it is due to the fact that he is drugged

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Was about to digest both Itachi and Kisame

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Explain how Gaara stands a chance.
 

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Prt 1 oro full access to all his nin Jutsu including et shits on list he's number 1
 

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Gaara or Kimimaro destroy Part 1 Kabuto. Gai and Kisame have few Part 1 feats.

Going strictly by feats, yes.
Part 1 was much more consistent with power levels though. There's just too much hype and portrayal that i cannot ignore.
 

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What makes you think this? Besides: Yomi Numa > any snake summon bar Manda



Jiraiya won't be using the swamp directly on Orochimaru, rather he will be using it on his snake summons.



Okay, but I don't see how Orochimaru survives stomach acid, even if it's for a little while.
Also there's Toad Mouth Bind to think about.



Again, why do you think that Manda > all toads? Is it because one time, under certain circumstances, Manda outsmarted Gamabunta? That exact scenario will not play out again. He sealed Amaterasu once before, and there are other ways to put down Edos other than sealing them (such as sinking them in a swamp.)



Lol the first battle was totally irrelevant because: it was off-panel, Jiraiya and Orochimaru were both 20+ years younger at the time, and we don't even know who won, plus Jiraiya didn't have killing intent. Sannin deadlock was irrelevant as well since they were both handicapped (although Jiraiya moreso than Orochimaru.)

Either way, it doesn't matter whether you or I think Jiraiya wins against Orochimaru or not since in Part 1 the manga made clear who was the stronger of the two, using Itachi as a reference point. Orochimaru admitted inferiority to Itachi; Itachi admitted he was on equal or lower standing than Jiraiya; Itachi and his partner fled from Jiraiya. there's really nothing more that needs to be said.
Because Manda had the best frog summoning beaten.



Because he can get out of it before any damage occurs.
Toad Mouth Bind, going Hydra Mode or summoning a giant snake, getting inside of it, and reverse summoning out.

Manda has already shown to be faster and smarter than Gamabunta when nothing was wrong with either of them. He is stronger than Gamabunta.
If he uses Toad Mouth Bind, or Dark Swamp, or something that doesn't seal them away, Orochimaru can de-summon them and re-summon them again. As Kabuto has shown with Deidara.

Orochimaru won. Because he got away.
And Jiraiya was not more handicapped :| Orochimaru couldn't use any Jutsu at all, he couldn't use his arms at all, and he was sick. He was literally handicapped.
Meanwhile Jiraiya's chakra reserves weren't as high as they usually are. You tell me who had it worse.
Lol Part 1 does not make it clear. Itachi beats Jiraiya, my man. Itachi did not want to kill Jiraiya. They were on the same team. That whole scenario is irrelevant.
In fact Orochimaru straight up said he was always stronger than Jiraiya.




And in regards to your other post, the fact that you said his Katon was Juubi sized shows you are wanking the **** out of Jiraiya. It's nothing personal and I mean no offense if I am being offensive, but goddamn.
 
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@Bold

Jiraiya squashes three of Orochimaru's snakes at once

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Creates a juubi sized katon

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Creates giant swamp which he later comments is "pitiful" and acknowledges it is due to the fact that he is drugged

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Was about to digest both Itachi and Kisame

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Explain how Gaara stands a chance.

Against Jiraiya specifically Gaara looses, because of Toad Oil. However, overall he is the more dangerous fighter of the two.
 

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Jiraiya loses to Orochimaru.
 

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i stoped when i seen jiraiya at number lel And orochimaru > Jiraiya
 

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Because Manda had the best frog summoning beaten.



Because he can get out of it before any damage occurs.
Toad Mouth Bind, going Hydra Mode or summoning a giant snake, getting inside of it, and reverse summoning out.

Manda has already shown to be faster and smarter than Gamabunta when nothing was wrong with either of them. He is stronger than Gamabunta.
If he uses Toad Mouth Bind, or Dark Swamp, or something that doesn't seal them away, Orochimaru can de-summon them and re-summon them again. As Kabuto has shown with Deidara.

Orochimaru won. Because he got away.
And Jiraiya was not more handicapped :| Orochimaru couldn't use any Jutsu at all, he couldn't use his arms at all, and he was sick. He was literally handicapped.
Meanwhile Jiraiya's chakra reserves weren't as high as they usually are. You tell me who had it worse.

Really? One time, under particular circumstances, Manda outsmarted Bunta once? And that automatically makes him superior to every toad boss summon? And means he will win in every fight? Assault of water bullets + sword strikes to the head can finish Manda, plus Jiraiya's shown to be capable of summoning eight toads in one day, and he will surely be able to summon at least two or three boss toads to combat Manda and Orochimaru's other summons (especially since these snakes have proven to be rather weak.)

@Bold - same goes for Jiraiya. He can summon the giant stomach, then reverse summon out, then reverse summon the stomach back to Mt Myoboku - with Orochimaru inside.

Not seeing how Manda outsmarting Bunta once means that he is instantly superior to all toads, for instance Gamakichi: who battled multiple Pain summons including Cerberus, most of which were stronger than Manda (oops, not supposed to mention this since it's a Part 2 feat.) I admit, Edo Tensei would be tricky but I don't see how it much affects Jiraiya seeing that the Edos attacks can be brushed off for the most part (Edos kept occupied by kage bunshins) and Jiraiya has shown skilled sealing jutsus even in Part 1, such as the writing down his own Fire Sealing Scroll, and mastery of the Five Elements Unseal. Jiraiya can keep Orochimaru occupied on his own for the most part so Orochimaru won't have time to focus on his Edos.

@Underline: you know damn well that fight is irrelevant, I would expect that someone who has a good understanding of the manga like you would know why.
Okay yeah, they were pretty much equally handicapped; but Orochimaru didn't really give up any significant jutsu along with his arms except Edo Tensei, seeing how most of his jutsu are capable of being performed without hand seals, and Kabuto summoned all Orochimaru's snakes for him so it was irrelevant that he couldn't form hand seals to summon snakes (the fight would have swiftly been ended had Orochimaru not had Kabuto there to beat up Tsunade and summon those snakes.) Jiraiya's chakra reserves were pitifully low and his reaction time (along with strength and speed) was slowed down by the drug.

Lol Part 1 does not make it clear. Itachi beats Jiraiya, my man. Itachi did not want to kill Jiraiya. They were on the same team. That whole scenario is irrelevant.
In fact Orochimaru straight up said he was always stronger than Jiraiya.




And in regards to your other post, the fact that you said his Katon was Juubi sized shows you are wanking the **** out of Jiraiya. It's nothing personal and I mean no offense if I am being offensive, but goddamn.

This. This is the most important part and the rest of my post shouldn't even matter because of this: This is a Part 1 list, and I specified there was only part 1 characters, feats, and intel. Meaning we don't know that Itachi was the "good guy" yet, in Part 1 all we know is that Itachi was after Naruto and tortured Kakashi. The fact that Itachi was revealed to be a good guy was intel revealed by Obito later on. As of now, Jiraiya scared off both Itachi and Kisame, and Itachi admitted he was at or below Jiraiya's level - and Orochimaru already admitted inferiority to Itachi. Making it Jiraiya>Itachi>Orochimaru.

I meant to say bijuu, not juubi.
 

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Naruto higher than Kakashi and Kimimaro? Lol you must be high in the head.
 

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Itachi and JMan are tied in the databooks though 0-0 I think they'd both kill each other with full intel on each other.
 
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