My home Country Libya has no Hope anymore unless they fight ISIS together

[CrimsonReaper]

And who do you think helped organize and arm those rebels..

the libyan army was killing the revolutionaries it's the same scheme as syria and i agree that it was wrong and it was one of the main reasons isis rose all i'm saying is libyans at the time started a revolution and wanted gadaffi dead. i didn't talk post revolution.

 

[YowYan]

the libyan army was killing the revolutionaries it's the same scheme as syria and i agree that it was wrong and it was one of the main reasons isis rose all i'm saying is libyans at the time started a revolution and wanted gadaffi dead. i didn't talk post revolution.

Those revolutionaries were from Al Qaeida and came from outside the country.
Again; stop thinking you're qualified to form an opinion on the matter.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Those revolutionaries were from Al Qaeida and came from outside the country.
Again; stop thinking you're qualified to form an opinion on the matter.

you honestly believe that? is the OP from Al Qaeida as well? what a joke.

 

[YowYan]

you honestly believe that? is the OP from Al Qaeida as well? what a joke.

You're a joke indeed. Trying to join a topic you have no understanding of outside of what western media outlets stupify you with.

Ofcourse Ron Paul saw through this. 19:00

[video=youtube;THlaMUq6MKU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THlaMUq6MKU[/video]

And 22:00 - 25:00

 

[Filosoofis]

Libya made a succesful revolution with sacrifices but suddenly ISIS came but the problem is other groups came in as well and now everyone fights each other but not ISIS which is really hard to stop

Here is an article

You must be registered for see links

What do you think?

Happens when you BTFO gaddafi.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

You're a joke indeed. Trying to join a topic you have no understanding of outside of what western media outlets stupify you with.

Ofcourse Ron Paul saw through this. 19:00

[video=youtube;THlaMUq6MKU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THlaMUq6MKU[/video]

And 22:00 - 25:00

why are you relying on this video too much these are not FACTS!!!! some of them were islamist militants but the majority were libyans who wanted to change their country for the better. You think i don't believe that what happened to libya isn't the west's fault?? big part of it is! just not the whole revolution thing. Calling me an ignorant who jumps into topics or bad mouthing the libyan revolution isn't gonna do you any good, gaddafi killed lots of good people and he deserves to be dead. I won't have a conversation with a guy who continually tries to deny that lots innocent lives were lost from this dictator's actions and attempts to tell me they were al Qaeida, please reevaluate yourself.

 

[Izou Xaxa]

that's all it matters you're a libyan and you know what's going on right?? i don't need to listen to these naive people then.

Yeah sounds weird but because i have family there and i was there i can tell you better than the people that just listen to Media well i dont know the true secrets of course but i can tell you what i saw there and how the situation really looked because when someone knows about the Libya then the people but we could never do something against Gaddafi he ruled with Force


My father and other people i know there susbect CIA to have their fingers in the game and well my father knows a lot about Libya he never tells why he suspects CIA because his theroy has no proof but i think he is not just all talk

That is exactly why i research about Amerika CIA i wanna see why most libyen people susbect CIA or other aemerican secret forces

But still Libya had executions also ordered by Gaddafi even if you speak about him negative you might get executed well

Also the Society was abd under Gaddafi we had no Trafic signs and the cops of us were just cops doing their job realy bad and undisciplined but still got cash

But actually it was corrupt so it should be no surprise

 

[YowYan]

why are you relying on this video too much these are not FACTS!!!! some of them were islamist militants but the majority were libyans who wanted to change their country for the better. You think i don't believe that what happened to libya isn't the west's fault?? big part of it is! just not the whole revolution thing. Calling me an ignorant who jumps into topics or bad mouthing the libyan revolution isn't gonna do you any good, gaddafi killed lots of good people and he deserves to be dead. I won't have a conversation with a guy who continually tries to deny that lots innocent lives were lost from this dictator's actions and attempts to tell me they were al Qaeida, please reevaluate yourself.

Stop talking. Watch and learn before you talk.
There is no actual evidence for those claimed thousands of deaths by Gaddafi's hands.
You're literally parroting NBC and other media outlets and you don't even realize that.

 

[BLAZE]

google's Ron paul :wut: still :|

 

[CrimsonReaper]

google's Ron paul :wut: still :|

i honestly don't know what's worse nds or gds... at least the nds talks about fictional things.

 

[YowYan]

google's Ron paul :wut: still :|

Ron Paul was the only genuine Presidential candidate in 2008 and 2012.

70% of the american military voted for him. His campaign got more funding from soldiers than any other party combined.

He was against foreign intervention
Never voted for the income tax or the raising thereof
At all times, for the last 40 years upheld the importance of the constitution

etc etc He is the only genuine politician in the fascist, emperialist, expansionist, totalitarian police state that is usa.

[video=youtube;jpO2xScdO4U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpO2xScdO4U[/video]

 

[Izou Xaxa]

Happens when you BTFO gaddafi.

It was necccesary you never lived under his judge unlike us Libyen so you dont know how he ruled


In General everyone who says Gadafi was a good man only because he surpressed ISIS have no clue

As i said earlier ISIS just surpasses Gaddafi in cruelty and they are more reckless but still regardless Gaddafi was a problem to Libya especially according to my father Libya was nice when the King Idris ruled when Gaddafi came it changed

P.S : Gaddafi actually gained his position with corrupt methods

Libya was already hell before the war now it is just bigger hell i saw it with my own eyes how the system in Libya was
If you would move there you would know what i mean

 

[BLAZE]

i honestly don't know what's worse nds or gds... at least the nds talks about fictional things.

actually its the guys who are self appointed scholars of things being discussed :|
I mean i doubt that Ron Paul guy/uncle/gramps or whoever it is would have visited Libya during the turnmoil[obviously becoz his murican life matters] but whatever

 

[CrimsonReaper]

It was necccesary you never lived under his judge unlike us Libyen so you dont know how he ruled


In General everyone who says Gadafi was a good man only because he surpressed ISIS have no clue

As i said earlier ISIS just surpasses Gaddafi in cruelty and they are more reckless but still regardless Gaddafi was a problem to Libya especially according to my father Libya was nice when the King Idris ruled when Gaddafi came it changed

P.S : Gaddafi actually gained his position with corrupt methods

Libya was already hell before the war now it is just bigger hell i saw it with my own eyes how the system in Libya was
If you would move there you would know what i mean

can you please educate that yowyan guy, thank you.

 

[BLAZE]

Ron Paul was the only genuine Presidential candidate in 2008 and 2012.

70% of the american military voted for him.

See's Aim64c and Honord Sage in here :lol u just shotted down whatever hopes i had for the guy

 

[YowYan]

can you please educate that yowyan guy, thank you.

Ignorance is bliss.

See's Aim64c and Honord Sage in here :lol u just shotted down whatever hopes i had for the guy

for what guy?

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Ignorance is bliss.



for what guy?

if someone who's not a libyan can't convince you maybe a libyan can?

 

[BLAZE]

for what guy?

Ron Paul.Becoz i had never heard of his name before
and btw an advice take it or ignore it your wish.
"Not everyone is born in a country from west that were blood sucking pests[of asians and africans] in past and currently playing world police with US.So don't be surprised if many people don't recognize a few posters along which you are building your whole evidence "

 

[paratise]

I'm not saying every country was unstable the region itself has always been. Before isis you had the arab spring, you had america invading iraq and before that saddam invaded kuwait, arab israeli conflicts, arab israeli wars, shall i continue??

You do not need to do so as i know about these occurences and beyond them.

Middle East was not ~always~ unstable; atleast not by human standarts, that is what i am saying. We can count conflicts of any place from a period of time and make it look like whole region is a continous trainwreck. The notion of Middle East being throughly unstable is not only incorrect, it also leads outsiders to believe that the place is just meant to be interfered and being in conflict. It makes as much sense as "Slavery, civil war, WW1, WW2, Vietnam war, civil rights act, Gulf war, 9/11; USA is unstable" or "Colonization, WW1, Holocaust, WW2, Cold war, Yugoslavia wars; Europe is unstable".

OT: I remember 'Arab Spring' news when i was a mid teen, they were overly romanticized for public opinion. Like that eye candy rebellion shit for ousiders with "brown people get awaken in deserty lands" headlines and Tahrir square pics with Muslim Brotherhood (God they were loved back then now they suddenly became ISIS-y for rest of the World). They lead people to believe that MENA will revolt and be alright, they are doing the same thing with Syria now.

Put people in charge, overthrow them and put the latter in charge; repeat. More repetitive than Naruto's lines.

 

[YowYan]

if someone who's not a libyan can't convince you maybe a libyan can?

Dimwit. That guy only made clear what was already clear to the world. Gaddafi was a dictator. And I wonder about his age and how long he stayed there. And an example for the kid from libiya stating his view: Many people from usa are blindly supporting their government. So a redneck american is qualified to tell you the facts?

And you pointed out that Gaddafi was responsible for thousands of deaths (lies) but why doesn't us and nato respond to the thousands of palestinian lives wasted? Or Boko haram kidnapping school girls? Or any other human rights violations that does not fit in their interests. Because Israel is an ally and Libiya had good relations with Russia.

- Before the invasion Libiya enjoyed the highest standard of living in Africa (ahead of Russia, Brazil and Saudi Arabia)
- Homes were considered a human right (in usa, they tried to make feeding homeless people illegal)
- Newly married couples received a large sum to buy their own home
- Electricity was free to all people
- Gaddafi vowed to house every Libiyian before his parents. Which he did.
- Before Gaddafi less than 1/5 of Libiyans were literate
- After Gaddafi literacy rate was 83%
- Healthcare was free and supposedly high quality but I couldn't verify that
- A water spring was found deep in the ground and Gaddafi made sure it was brought up to the surface for the people
- Gaddafi tried to unite all african countries with a gold currency that would topple the petro dollar (reason to get rid of him)
- All loans were interest free by law

Ron Paul.Becoz i had never heard of his name before
and btw an advice take it or ignore it your wish.
"Not everyone is born in a country from west that were blood sucking pests[of asians and africans] in past and currently playing world police with US.So don't be surprised if many people don't recognize a few posters along which you are building your whole evidence "

You should really educate yourself on Ron Paul. Thank me later if you actually bothered to do some scanning.
It's ok if they don't recognize a westerner's posts out of ignorance. That's their choice.

RP:

- Has never voted to raise taxes
- Has never voted for an unbalanced budget
- Has never voted for congressional pay
- wanted to immediately abolish the IRS
- wanted to immediately abolish the Federal Reserve Bank
- wanted to immediately call all troops back home and stop occupying abroad
- wanted to abolish the income tax
- wanted to go back to the golden standard
- has never taken a government paid junket

just to start off with