[Discussion] Mugiwara power gap.

[Ahmed1993]

Sanji fans please take a seat.

Lets compare the main "3" fighters of the mujiwara in fighting categories:


1. Strength: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

2. Speed: Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

3. Durability: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

4. Experience: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

In which way is Sanji on their level yo? rofl.

Speed : Luffy > Sanji ( As fast as a fishman ) > Zoro

Durability : Sanji ( went casually under 5000 M of water while Robin had doubts that Zoro can survive it ) > Luffy > Zoro

Experience : Sanji was trained by a former pirate Zeff and Sanji is more intelligent that those 2 , so he is > Zoro.

Strength : Luffy > Zoro = Sanji ( Kicked a giant ( Waddasumi ) in the air like it was nothing , blocked a Gum Gum Bazouka from OZ )

Come at me bro

 

[TheHokage]

Speed : Luffy > Sanji ( As fast as a fishman ) > Zoro

Durability : Sanji ( went casually under 5000 M of water while Robin had doubts that Zoro can survive it ) > Luffy > Zoro

Experience : Sanji was trained by a former pirate Zeff , so he is > Zoro.

Strength : Luffy > Zoro = Sanji ( Kicked a giant ( Waddasumi ) in the air like it was nothing , blocked a Gum Gum Bazouka from OZ )

Come at me bro

Can't really say Sanji has better durability than Luffy because of that since Luffy naturally can't swim in water anyway.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Can you really blame Sanji that he got One shotted by Doflamingo ? And there is no way that you can convince me that Zoro is faster in water or on land than the guy who spent two years running and developed blue walk and sky walk.

Sanji also dodged Kuma's laser, as the matter of fact most of the strawhats did, also those beams don't travel with the speed of light, nothing moves with the speed of light in One Piece not even Kizaru, how else can a lot of other people keep up with him.

So end of story Sanji is above Zoro in all terms of speed.



Don't know how you can controdict yourself in one sentence when you're already saying 'by that logic'

Zoro IS limited to his swords, he has never shown to be using different attacks than his sword techniques. He never seriously kicked someone, or put down his swords to punch someone.

In skypiea arc when zoro didnt have his swords and had to protect the boat he used his fists

 

[Love Cook]

In skypiea arc when zoro didnt have his swords and had to protect the boat he used his fists

If we were playing 'find the exception to the rule' I would applaud you right now. Sadly it just seems you missed the point. Sanji also fought Wanze with Kitchen knives.

The point is that Zoro will never put down his swords to start punching away because he isn't trained in that field. Therefore he is limited to his swords. Using his fists was just a last resort. same goes for Sanji with his legs. But Luffy doesn't have that problem, he even uses his head (literally) in fights.

 

[Olorin]

Durability : Sanji ( went casually under 5000 M of water while Robin had doubts that Zoro can survive it ) > Luffy > Zoro

And once again I ask you ... Do you seriously believe that if Luffy and Zoro were in that position they would just die?

Also when it comes to battle intelligence dont underestimate Luffy and Zoro

 

[KingHashirama]

Quite sad, that you guys are expecting people to give a feat for Zoro, when he hasn't been given any reason to show it in the manga.

Simply look at part 1....Zoro >> Sanji in durability

Zoro has always been the stamina monster, tied with Luffy.

On top of that you guys are trying to make a guy who isn't solely a fighter but also a "brains" type of a guy, comparable to 2 people who have been fighting since they were children. And their JOB in the crew is to fight....

LOGICALLY, those 2 would be stronger.

Water pressure capable of crushing a modern day submarine didn't hinder or discomfort Sanji. What Post-Timeskip feat does Zoro have?

Are you trying to claim Sanji is more durable then Luffy himself?


#Water didn't hinder Luffy either

If Sanji can do it so can Zoro... Zoro has always been more durable.


Zoro can't show durability, because he has never been taken out to the edge so far.

If we were playing 'find the exception to the rule' I would applaud you right now. Sadly it just seems you missed the point. Sanji also fought Wanze with Kitchen knives.

The point is that Zoro will never put down his swords to start punching away because he isn't trained in that field. Therefore he is limited to his swords. Using his fists was just a last resort. same goes for Sanji with his legs. But Luffy doesn't have that problem, he even uses his head (literally) in fights.

Zoro uses his swords as an extention of himself. He can still fight with fists if he has to. Swords are simply better for him.

Sanji is the fastest and his legs are the strongest limbs of the M3

Luffy and Zoro are only stronger than him because Sanji puts limitations on himself by only using his legs.

Sanji is also worlds above the other two in terms of intelligence.

@Bold highly disagree. Doing squats since he was a kid.

@Worlds above the other 2 in terms of intelligence. When it become to battle intelligence, Sanji is outmatched by Zoro..Also, Zoro and luffy chose to be careless, because they do not have to be.

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Based on what ? your gut feeling ?

If anything Sanji is mostly pictured as the more agile of the three, often dodging hits where Luffy and Zoro tank them.

Zoro is not that fast in close combat, he fights pretty passively and letting his swords and techniques do the work. The only time he appears to be moving fast is with those finishers when he appears behind his enemy.

@Bold, Is that a joke.. The guy managed to casually a dodge a bullet at close range..

 

[Love Cook]

@Bold, Is that a joke.. The guy managed to casually a dodge a bullet at close range..

No but it's all relatively speaking, Luffy dodged a bullet too after the seperation arc, shot by fake Luffy, the gun was practically against his head and he managed to track the bullet with his eyes.

Luffy did that thanks to CoO, and of the Monster trio Sanji is the most efficient in using that type according to Oda in an SBS. And to prevent me from repeating myself, Sanji has been running for two years and developed 2 speed related techniques. There is no possible way you can convince me that Zoro is faster than Sanji (or Luffy for that matter) Watch his static fight with Kaku, zoro is more a hold my ground kind of guy and slash at everything what's coming at me.

Oh, and it's not like Sanji doesn't have battle smarts, that in addition to his tactical skills also make him the smarter fighter. (inflating wadatsumi, tagging out with Usopp at jyabura in order to save Robin, Blowing air in the gills of Kurobi etc.)

But it doesn't matter, because I stand by what I said on the first page. I don't care if Sanji is the 3rd or 7th strongest in the crew. Zoro is a 1 dimensional, dull character who only whips out a cool finisher when the time is there. Then he disappears again for the rest of the arc. While Sanji is out there and setting things in motion.

 

[Trolling King]

No but it's all relatively speaking, Luffy dodged a bullet too after the seperation arc, shot by fake Luffy, the gun was practically against his head and he managed to track the bullet with his eyes.

Luffy did that thanks to CoO, and of the Monster trio Sanji is the most efficient in using that type according to Oda in an SBS. And to prevent me from repeating myself, Sanji has been running for two years and developed 2 speed related techniques. There is no possible way you can convince me that Zoro is faster than Sanji (or Luffy for that matter) Watch his static fight with Kaku, zoro is more a hold my ground kind of guy and slash at everything what's coming at me.

Oh, and it's not like Sanji doesn't have battle smarts, that in addition to his tactical skills also make him the smarter fighter. (inflating wadatsumi, tagging out with Usopp at jyabura in order to save Robin, Blowing air in the gills of Kurobi etc.)

But it doesn't matter, because I stand by what I said on the first page. I don't care if Sanji is the 3rd or 7th strongest in the crew. Zoro is a 1 dimensional, dull character who only whips out a cool finisher when the time is there. Then he disappears again for the rest of the arc. While Sanji is out there and setting things in motion.

Don't forget he is always holding back. He has been shown to be great with cooking knives and his hands kind of like a swords man, but chooses not to use them.

 

[KingHashirama]

No but it's all relatively speaking, Luffy dodged a bullet too after the seperation arc, shot by fake Luffy, the gun was practically against his head and he managed to track the bullet with his eyes.

Luffy did that thanks to CoO, and of the Monster trio Sanji is the most efficient in using that type according to Oda in an SBS. And to prevent me from repeating myself, Sanji has been running for two years and developed 2 speed related techniques. There is no possible way you can convince me that Zoro is faster than Sanji (or Luffy for that matter) Watch his static fight with Kaku, zoro is more a hold my ground kind of guy and slash at everything what's coming at me.

Oh, and it's not like Sanji doesn't have battle smarts, that in addition to his tactical skills also make him the smarter fighter. (inflating wadatsumi, tagging out with Usopp at jyabura in order to save Robin, Blowing air in the gills of Kurobi etc.)

But it doesn't matter, because I stand by what I said on the first page. I don't care if Sanji is the 3rd or 7th strongest in the crew. Zoro is a 1 dimensional, dull character who only whips out a cool finisher when the time is there. Then he disappears again for the rest of the arc. While Sanji is out there and setting things in motion.

Your excuse is that Sanji has been running for 2 years.. yet, i'm telling you that Zoro has been working out his body since he was a kid. #Squats. Sanji isn't close to Zoro's physicality..

In the end he might have them tactics, still fail in comparison to the experience of Zoro..

Yup just like Luffy is a 1 dimensional character by your definition of it. ^_^. But still more badass and likeable then the most annoying character from the mujiwara, that a person can't take serious.

Speed relies on physicality, in which Zoro is better. Lets not forget how he disappeared in Whiskey peak , when hundreds of people were staring right at him.

Don't forget he is always holding back. He has been shown to be great with cooking knives and his hands kind of like a swords man, but chooses not to use them.

#HeIsAlwaysHoldingBack

-Zoro uses swords, but can also use his fists = Holding back by your logic

- Luffy can actually cause way more damage in his fights by using swords with his normal power , but only relies on fists = Holding back by your logic.

 

[Trolling King]

#HeIsAlwaysHoldingBack

-Zoro uses swords, but can also use his fists = Holding back by your logic
- Luffy can actually cause way more damage in his fights by using swords with his normal power , but only relies on fists = Holding back by your logic.

Zoro is a swords expert first. Luffy a fist fighter first

Sanji is a knive weilding cook first. A kicking expert second.
He is super profiecent with knives even more than with kicks...

 

[KingHashirama]

Zoro is a swords expert first. Luffy a fist fighter first

Sanji is a knive weilding cook first. A kicking expert second.
He is super profiecent with knives even more than with kicks...

Wrong. Zoro is a freak of physicality first. Luffy is a rubber powered man first/Agile/Flexible person of the crew first.

Knive weilding cook that is his job.. rofl. We are talking about fighting, he is a kicking expert first when it comes to fighting.

And you must be joking me if you really believe he is more proficient in a fight with his knifes, than his kicks.

 

[Trolling King]

Wrong. Zoro is a freak of physicality first. Luffy is a rubber powered man first/Agile/Flexible person of the crew first.

Knive weilding cook that is his job.. rofl. We are talking about fighting, he is a kicking expert first when it comes to fighting.

And you must be joking me if you really believe he is more proficient in a fight with his knifes, than his kicks.

Yes he is more proficient with knives, he has been dedicating his life to cooking and holds them in sacred regard, he would never use his hands or his knives in a fight because he is that dedicated to them.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yes he is more proficient with knives, he has been dedicating his life to cooking and holds them in sacred regard, he would never use his hands or his knives in a fight because he is that dedicated to them.

Just like how Zoro has been training his body, more than the sword. You never see Zoro kicking, even though hes been working them thighs more than Sanji since he was a kid..

Just like how Luffy has been training his flexibility more than the punching.

So no matter what you try to say, they don't all use what they originally trained with.

Sanji's job = a Cook. Zoro and Luff's job = Fighters. Like Zoro and Luffy are literally on the crew to fight. Sanji isn't..

 

[Trolling King]

Just like how Zoro has been training his body, more than the sword. You never see Zoro kicking, even though hes been working them thighs more than Sanji since he was a kid..

Just like how Luffy has been training his flexibility more than the punching.

So no matter what you try to say, they don't all use what they originally trained with.

Sanji's job = a Cook. Zoro and Luff's job = Fighters. Like Zoro and Luffy are literally on the crew to fight. Sanji isn't..

There are detailed arguments for why this isnt a huge gap and they are arguably even tied for power.

I am not gonna argue with you, cause you'll just bring me down to the level of stupidity and beat me with experience.

 

[Love Cook]

Just like how Zoro has been training his body, more than the sword. You never see Zoro kicking, even though hes been working them thighs more than Sanji since he was a kid..

Just like how Luffy has been training his flexibility more than the punching.

So no matter what you try to say, they don't all use what they originally trained with.

Sanji's job = a Cook. Zoro and Luff's job = Fighters. Like Zoro and Luffy are literally on the crew to fight. Sanji isn't..

I like how this thread started with 'Sanji fans take a seat' then took a 180 and now that you're defending your boy crush with the weirdest arguments.

Shouldn't Zoro and Luffy be ashamed then that the crews 'fighters' are on the same grade as the cook who isn't exercising the entire day XD

And about you putting words in my mouth about Luffy also being a 1 dimensional character, that's not true of course because Luffy combines what Sanji and Zoro both have, Only Luffy isn't planning the mess he causes he always falls right in. Zoro rides on the back of an alligator until it's his time to shine, or chases after a dwarf, or is locked up in a cage, a chimney, is getting lost. Well you get my point that he basically is only there at the end when Oda needs him to cut someone. Then he goes back to his chores on the ship. Oh wait he doesn't do anything there either except sleeping, drinking and lifting weights to keep up with Sanji who is cooking XD

 

[Olorin]

I like how this thread started with 'Sanji fans take a seat' then took a 180 and now that you're defending your boy crush with the weirdest arguments.

Shouldn't Zoro and Luffy be ashamed then that the crews 'fighters' are on the same grade as the cook who isn't exercising the entire day XD

And about you putting words in my mouth about Luffy also being a 1 dimensional character, that's not true of course because Luffy combines what Sanji and Zoro both have, Only Luffy isn't planning the mess he causes he always falls right in. Zoro rides on the back of an alligator until it's his time to shine, or chases after a dwarf, or is locked up in a cage, a chimney, is getting lost. Well you get my point that he basically is only there at the end when Oda needs him to cut someone. Then he goes back to his chores on the ship. Oh wait he doesn't do anything there either except sleeping, drinking and lifting weights to keep up with Sanji who is cooking XD

You knkw I was ready to go a rage after I read the first part but you managed to somewhat correct what you said about Luffy

Forgive me for saying this but I got the impression that the power gap between Zoro and Sanji has widened ... And I kinda don't like that, I hope I am wrong I like them both and they need to be close in power so they keep being funny when they are in each others hair

Btw I did not read the arguments because they are just too long and I don't particularly care since I know what my opinion on the matter is ... And I simply do not have the time

 

[kmrasengan]

You knkw I was ready to go a rage after I read the first part but you managed to somewhat correct what you said about Luffy

Forgive me for saying this but I got the impression that the power gap between Zoro and Sanji has widened ... And I kinda don't like that, I hope I am wrong I like them both and they need to be close in power so they keep being funny when they are in each others hair

Btw I did not read the arguments because they are just too long and I don't particularly care since I know what my opinion on the matter is ... And I simply do not have the time

@bold: It should be that way imo, if the purpose of Zoro is to fight and he trains everyday to be more efficient in battles while Sanji isn't seen training and he's the cook, why shouldn't the gap be widened? So should Oda just keep giving Sanji power to keep up with Zoro even though he doesn't train that much (that we see ofc)?


@Love Cook: I see you wrote that Zoro was just like any other #2, an evil guy turned good. Can you tell me how was Zoro evil, because if I remember correctly, Luffy rescued him from a marine base from smacking a kid that wanted to harm a little girl, so he was protecting her, that doesn't sound too evil. Yes he does have a killing side but only towards the bad guys.

 

[BREAKD]

Totally agree on you, but in terms of intelligence, Sanji really tops them both.
And no experience and intelligence are not the same

 

[Olorin]

@bold: It should be that way imo, if the purpose of Zoro is to fight and he trains everyday to be more efficient in battles while Sanji isn't seen training and he's the cook, why shouldn't the gap be widened? So should Oda just keep giving Sanji power to keep up with Zoro even though he doesn't train that much (that we see ofc)?

well tbh Zoro wastes as much time sleeping as Sanji does cooking

also I never said it shouldn't have done, but I prefer them being relatively close in power

@everyone saying Sanji tops them in intelligence easily: Luffy isn't exactly an idiot when it comes to combat, don't underestimate him because of his carefree personality and his insanely low attention span ... that goes away in a battle

 

[minato93]

Sanji fans please take a seat.

Lets compare the main "3" fighters of the mujiwara in fighting categories:


1. Strength: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

2. Speed: Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

3. Durability: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

4. Experience: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

In which way is Sanji on their level yo? rofl.

For speed it's actually Luffy > Sanji > Zoro

I'd say Sanji is more durable than them. He survived depths strong enough to crush a modern day submarine. Even Zoro wasn't getting out of that bubble at that depth.

I'd put Sanji above Zoro in speed too. Dat leg strength could mean more speed.

He's also smarter, and much more rational.