[Discussion] Mugiwara power gap.

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Do you really think your pre-timeskip feat counters my post-timeskip feat? Really?

What PST do you have??

 

[Punk Hazard]

What PST do you have??

Water pressure capable of crushing a modern day submarine didn't hinder or discomfort Sanji. What Post-Timeskip feat does Zoro have?

 

[kmrasengan]

Water pressure capable of crushing a modern day submarine didn't hinder or discomfort Sanji. What Post-Timeskip feat does Zoro have?

We barely saw Zoro fight so at this point we are totally in the dark about his powers. If Zoro did that pre-time skip that how do we know that he's even ore durable, just becasue he didn't show it yet?

@Love Cook: Vegeta and Sasuke are more interesting then Goku and Naruto.

 

[Punk Hazard]

We barely saw Zoro fight so at this point we are totally in the dark about his powers. If Zoro did that pre-time skip that how do we know that he's even ore durable, just becasue he didn't show it yet?



@Love Cook: Vegeta and Sasuke are more interesting then Goku and Naruto.

It makes no sense to go off what could be and make guesses. While we don't know the full extent of Zoro's durability, we can still establish that for at least now, Sanji's more durable. Until we see something that disputes it, Sanji has a better durability feat.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Sanji isn't on Luffy's level...but neither is Zoro :|

 

[Hijey]

^ So is there a Luffy level, Zoro level, Sanji level, Law level, Vergo level, Smoker level etc? :| You can be at someone's level and still be weaker than them. Akainu is stronger than Aokiji but they are still on the same level.

Agree with OP except for Zoro being faster than Sanji and Sanji not being at their level. He is at their level even though he's weaker. And of course Zoro will be better than Sanji at durability since that's what he's highlighted for while Sanji is someone who evades and counterattacks.

For now, I'll go with Luffy and Zoro being equals again or the gap between them being smaller than the gap between the First Mate and the Second Mate.

 

[jiraiya lives]

speed: Sanji>Luffy>Zoro

otherwise ehh i'd agree

 

[chopstickchakra]

Sanji fans please take a seat.

Lets compare the main "3" fighters of the mujiwara in fighting categories:


1. Strength: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

2. Speed: Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

3. Durability: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

4. Experience: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

In which way is Sanji on their level yo? rofl.

Sanji is clearly faster than Zoro and faster than Luffy unless in Gear Second.

 

[VongolaX]

Do you really think your pre-timeskip feat counters my post-timeskip feat? Really?

Yes, post timeskip is growth....Not deduction.

If you remember correctly, two characters underwater had to move and share a bubble under the

water pressure.

 

[Bogard]

Sanji is only fast to close distances. In CQC he is slower than Luffy and Zoro

 

[Love Cook]

Sanji is only fast to close distances. In CQC he is slower than Luffy and Zoro

Based on what ? your gut feeling ?

If anything Sanji is mostly pictured as the more agile of the three, often dodging hits where Luffy and Zoro tank them.

Zoro is not that fast in close combat, he fights pretty passively and letting his swords and techniques do the work. The only time he appears to be moving fast is with those finishers when he appears behind his enemy.

 

[Olorin]

Water pressure capable of crushing a modern day submarine didn't hinder or discomfort Sanji. What Post-Timeskip feat does Zoro have?

so you are saying you believe that that pressure would crush Luffy and Zoro?

^ So is there a Luffy level, Zoro level, Sanji level, Law level, Vergo level, Smoker level etc? :| You can be at someone's level and still be weaker than them

that only works with tiers that describe a group of characters with relatively close power levels

but you can say that there is a Sanji level and that there is a Luffy level and you can also say that Sanji isn't on Zoro's level and be correct

it depends from how far away you are looking at the matter, out of convenience we only create several tiers because not doing so and generalize the levels would simply take too long and be less accurate

PS: g2 Luffy is the fastest in combat

 

[Bogard]

Based on what ? your gut feeling ?

If anything Sanji is mostly pictured as the more agile of the three, often dodging hits where Luffy and Zoro tank them.

Zoro is not that fast in close combat, he fights pretty passively and letting his swords and techniques do the work. The only time he appears to be moving fast is with those finishers when he appears behind his enemy.

I base it on some confrontations like the one against Flamingo. He quickly closed the distance on Doflamingo but the moment they reached CQC, he got one shoted. On the other side, even pre-skip Zoro dodged light speed attacks coming from Kuma and post-time skip Zoro moved faster than fishmen underwater. Concerning Luffy i think it's self explanatory

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Sanji is the fastest and his legs are the strongest limbs of the M3

Luffy and Zoro are only stronger than him because Sanji puts limitations on himself by only using his legs.

Sanji is also worlds above the other two in terms of intelligence.

 

[kmrasengan]

Sanji is the fastest and his legs are the strongest limbs of the M3

Luffy and Zoro are only stronger than him because Sanji puts limitations on himself by only using his legs.

By that logic, Zoro puts limitations on himself by only using swords. It's fighting styles. Luffy is a brawler, Sanji is a kicker, and Zoro a swordsman, no limitations there.

 

[Love Cook]

I base it on some confrontations like the one against Flamingo. He quickly closed the distance on Doflamingo but the moment they reached CQC, he got one shoted. On the other side, even pre-skip Zoro dodged light speed attacks coming from Kuma and post-time skip Zoro moved faster than fishmen underwater. Concerning Luffy i think it's self explanatory

Can you really blame Sanji that he got One shotted by Doflamingo ? And there is no way that you can convince me that Zoro is faster in water or on land than the guy who spent two years running and developed blue walk and sky walk.

Sanji also dodged Kuma's laser, as the matter of fact most of the strawhats did, also those beams don't travel with the speed of light, nothing moves with the speed of light in One Piece not even Kizaru, how else can a lot of other people keep up with him.

So end of story Sanji is above Zoro in all terms of speed.

By that logic, Zoro puts limitations on himself by only using swords. It's fighting styles. Luffy is a brawler, Sanji is a kicker, and Zoro a swordsman, no limitations there.

Don't know how you can controdict yourself in one sentence when you're already saying 'by that logic'

Zoro IS limited to his swords, he has never shown to be using different attacks than his sword techniques. He never seriously kicked someone, or put down his swords to punch someone.

 

[Bogard]

Can you really blame Sanji that he got One shotted by Doflamingo ? And there is no way that you can convince me that Zoro is faster in water or on land than the guy who spent two years running and developed blue walk and sky walk.

Sanji also dodged Kuma's laser, as the matter of fact most of the strawhats did, also those beams don't travel with the speed of light, nothing moves with the speed of light in One Piece not even Kizaru, how else can a lot of other people keep up with him.

So end of story Sanji is above Zoro in all terms of speed.

You don't get it. I didn't expect Sanji to defeat Dofla. Dofla one shoting him didn't surprise me sure, but besides Doflamingo's hax that helped him to finish him off later, even in the speed category he got outclassed the moment he entered CQC with Doflamingo.

If he was that fast in CQC, he should have dodge Doflamingo's opening attack, but he didn't. Same can be said during his confrontation with Vergo. He quickly closed the gap with him with his blue walk technique to the point he inflected damage before Vergo could react, but the moment they entered CQC, he was on the defensive.

And these aren't the only examples. It's for those reasons i'm saying that Sanji's speed only has an importance when it comes to close long distances. In CQC, he doesn't move as fast as Luffy or Zoro, at least from what i've seen from him so far

And no, no strawhats managed to dodge Kuma's light speed attacks. Maybe you're mistaking with someone else. Franky couldn't even react, let alone dodge. Zoro is the only one who has been shown to dodge them pre-skip if my memory serves me right, unless you can show me the panel?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

By that logic, Zoro puts limitations on himself by only using swords. It's fighting styles. Luffy is a brawler, Sanji is a kicker, and Zoro a swordsman, no limitations there.

No. Because using a sword doesn't leave any openings if you use it well. Zoro is limited by his swords, but the limitation is nowhere near as great as Sanjis limitation.

 

[TheHokage]

Meh, in my opinion.

Physical Strength = Luffy => Zoro > Sanji
Speed = Luffy > Sanji > Zoro
Durability = Zoro => Luffy > Sanji

Basically overall it goes like this = Luffy > Zoro > Sanji.

 

[Love Cook]

And no, no strawhats managed to dodge Kuma's light speed attacks. Maybe you're mistaking with someone else. Franky couldn't even react, let alone dodge. Zoro is the only one who has been shown to dodge them pre-skip if my memory serves me right, unless you can show me the panel?

Yea sure buddy, you come up with that point. But you're questioning your own memory, so you go look for the panel. I'll give you a hint it's at Seabondy where the entire crew is running away from Pacifista's Multiple beams were shot and dodged by multiple people in the crew. Like I said it's not light speed. Just really fast but not light speed.