[Discussion] Mugiwara power gap.

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Sanji fans please take a seat.

Lets compare the main "3" fighters of the mujiwara in fighting categories:


1. Strength: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

2. Speed: Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

3. Durability: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

4. Experience: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

In which way is Sanji on their level yo? rofl.
 

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I agree for the most part, excluding speed.

Zoro on reflexes was fast enough to blitz kuma (blind sided) and dodge his palm palm fruit shockwaves.

Moving at somewhere at the speed of light...

Besides that, there all accurate
 

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I'd say Sanji is more durable than them. He survived depths strong enough to crush a modern day submarine. Even Zoro wasn't getting out of that bubble at that depth.

I'd put Sanji above Zoro in speed too. Dat leg strength could mean more speed.

He's also smarter, and much more rational.
 

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I'd say Sanji is more durable than them. He survived depths strong enough to crush a modern day submarine. Even Zoro wasn't getting out of that bubble at that depth.

I'd put Sanji above Zoro in speed too. Dat leg strength could mean more speed.

He's also smarter, and much more rational.

I look back at the pain-fatigue bubble that he took in, and Sanji who was on the floor from a sword-butt tape.

Durability..... Really?
 

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Intelligence: Sanji > Zoro = Luffy
Intelligence in a fight? Already covered in experience.

Sense of Direction : Sanji > Luffy > Zoro

In a fight sense of direction :Zoro/Luffy > Sanji


Overall Haki
Luffy>Zoro>Sanji

Evasiveness
Luffy=Sanji>Zoro

Evasiveness really doesn't say anything about strength.. rofl.


I'd say Sanji is more durable than them. He survived depths strong enough to crush a modern day submarine. Even Zoro wasn't getting out of that bubble at that depth.

I'd put Sanji above Zoro in speed too. Dat leg strength could mean more speed.

He's also smarter, and much more rational.
@Bold, you seem to have comedic moments of Zoro mess up your interpertation of "rational". Zoro when it is required for him to be rational is rational.

Simply look back the Water Seven arc.. Zoro was the only rational member, others were jumping on Ussop's D, including Sanji.
 

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Sanji needs something like rankyaku to balance the power difference in the monster 3

In my opinion right now regarding power levels, if Luffy is 100%, Zoro is 90% and Sanji is 80%
 

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Sanji needs something like rankyaku to balance the power difference in the monster 3

In my opinion right now regarding power levels, if Luffy is 100%, Zoro is 90% and Sanji is 80%

hmmm i think its more like Luffy 100% Zoro 98-99% Sanji 85-90%
 

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Intelligence in a fight? Already covered in experience.



In a fight sense of direction :Zoro/Luffy > Sanji




Evasiveness really doesn't say anything about strength.. rofl.



@Bold, you seem to have comedic moments of Zoro mess up your interpertation of "rational". Zoro when it is required for him to be rational is rational.

Simply look back the Water Seven arc.. Zoro was the only rational member, others were jumping on Ussop's D, including Sanji.

Intelligence and Experience are ENTIRELY different fields.

Who do you want to fix your car?


The Law School 4.0 GPA Doctor, or the 40 Years on the job mechanic who has never failed to fix your car?



More than likely, the Doctor is an overall more intelligent person, but his experience in car mechanics is absolutely outclassed by a man with 40 years experience.




Most of Zoro's fights are against Swordsmen. Sword play is something he is constantly experiencing. To say Zoro puts more intelligence into his fights than Sanji would be wrong from my prospective. Sanji has constantly shown to put more tactical thought in his fighting.

1. Ennis Lobby, instead of upright fighting Jyabura, Sanji played his own tricks. He pretended to fall for Jyabura's lies to score a hit. He got the key and ran... Causing Jyabura to get off guard. He also thought ahead of his fight. Not only did he focus on fighting, but escaping. Thus, during the final moments, it was he who altered the gates causing the whirlpools to open. Effectively crippling the marine response.

2. Against Wadatsume, instead if flat out overpowering him, he let the latter hold his breath and took advantage if his gullible attitude. He didn't just out perform someone in his fighting style which Zoro typically does.

Also, in terms of physical strength, they aren't entirely different. Zoro's arm strength is equivalent to Sanji's leg strength. Zoro picked uo a fair sized building in Alabasta. Sanji was kicking an entire building at Oars on Thriller Bark. If anything.. Zoro >/= Luffy >/= Sanji.

Sanji is also faster in my opinion. His leg strength is superior. Furthermore, Geppou requires him to basically kick off the ground with enough force to levitate. You do understand the speed and force Sanji would need to do so right. Luffy > Sanji > Zoro.

As for Rationale, the case of Ussop is easily 50/50. It is just as rational to argue he should be kicked out for going against Luffy as it is for understanding how hard it is for the man chiefly responsible for keeping their ship from sinking to abandon it. Imagine if the Sunny sank. You don't think Franky would have a comparable reaction?

Also, how does evasion not factor into total strength. Think about it. Person A can be knocked out by flicking him. Character B is the strongest character in the series. Character B is a super fighter. However, Person A has an evasion skill so high... He can never be touched by Person B. Despite all that strength, and talent, Person B will never be able to best person A because they can't touch the former.

In fact, evasion is what decided the D-Block battle in the previous chapter.

So the guy who starts running across a courtyard after being told to run up the stairs has more sense of direction than Sanji? I think not. Define "fighting sense of direction."



Finally, even if Sanji was on the bottom of these, the difference in many of the stats isn't even that high. Their physical strength is virtually equal. They've all pushed buildings around.




I'm sorry, but it has been pretty much set in stone that the Monster Trio or relatively on the same level of strength. It will always be Luffy > Zoro > Sanji. The gaps aren't vast, but they exist.
 

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In the databook oda gave luffy and zoro a level 6 rating in combat , while sanji received a 4.
 

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Sanji fans please take a seat.

Lets compare the main "3" fighters of the mujiwara in fighting categories:


1. Strength: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

2. Speed: Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

3. Durability: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

4. Experience: Zoro = Luffy > Sanji

In which way is Sanji on their level yo? rofl.

How does Zoro have more strength than Luffy thats completely dumb and he doesn't have more experiece than Luffy either
 

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Luffy>Zoro>Sanji

It's as simple as that ;)
 

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How does Zoro have more strength than Luffy thats completely dumb and he doesn't have more experiece than Luffy either

I guess you dont know what "=" means.....
But i think zoro has more durability
 

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Another day, another thread about power scaling. Zoro fanboy worried about Sanji getting all the glorious moments after the time skip, while Zoro actually didn't do very much. Where Sanji has been clashing with the top dogs, Zoro cut a lab assistant in half. Sanji was on adventure the first half of Dressrosa, and Zoro was running after a dwarf, hiding under ground, now sitting in a basket in a cat suit.

Let's be honest here, Zoro's only purpose in the strawhat crew is that in the last 10 chapters of a arc he pops up, he cuts down the 2nd strongest guy around, makes James Bond puns look good by saying something cheesy and then he disappears again. Litteraly every other strawhat and even Kin'nemon too now have more relevance to what is happening in the story than Zoro.

I agree that he is stronger in most fields than Sanji, but he isn't the more interesting character. He is like the Vegeta, Zebra, Sasuke of One Piece (Or any other grumpy #2 evil guy turned good) Good for 1 badass moment every arc, but never good enough to become the Goku, Toriko, Naruto or Luffy. So I'm perfectly fine with Sanji knowing his place as it is clear that the #1 will always be Luffy, just as #3 will always be Sanji.

At least Sanji fans get treated to some Sanji badassery throughout the entire arc, when he is setting things in motion, by wrecking Enel's ship, Jumping on the Sea train, Opening gates of Justice, Challenging Crocodile, Blowing up Rainbase, Becoming Mr. Prince, counter attack Big Mom's ship while commanding the Sunny.

So Zoro can have his spot in Luffy's shadow, but Sanji operates from the shadow. That's what makes him a better character.

In the databook oda gave luffy and zoro a level 6 rating in combat , while sanji received a 4.

Psst, the databook is a lie ;)
Oda doesn't write those
 

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I look back at the pain-fatigue bubble that he took in, and Sanji who was on the floor from a sword-butt tape.

Durability..... Really?

Do you really think your pre-timeskip feat counters my post-timeskip feat? Really?
 

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Luffy>Zoro>Sanji. I tought it was this simple.
 
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