Preta Path is 2-3 feet from Animal and farther from the rest. Kakashi needed Kamui against Susanoo Arrow and you've yet to show that Preta is faster than Kakashi thus there is no arguing that he jumps in front of the arrow. That alone renders a large portion of this post irrelevant.
Yeah but the distance Naruto and Pein started was almost twice the distance from where Sasuke fired at Kakashi. So almost twice the time to respond and anyway you keep asking me to provide proof of Preta being as fast as Kakashi, why don't you prove he's slower instead of specualting just about everything.
With Naruto's intel Sasuke knows that Naraka can revive bodies thus he'd die second as he cannot evade Amaterasu or Susanoo Arrow either. The bold was addressed as well. Enton doesn't require the same chakra nor does it strain Sasuke like Amaterasu does and one shot of Enton results in the summons being defeated. Spamming fodder creatures does nothing. Stamina is not an issue in that facet of this battle.
Since we're going it at the way Naruto and Peins fight went then you should know Naruto didn't receive intel about Naraka's abilities right away. Which renders your entire argument pointless. As for enton not requiring as much chakra it still doesn't take away from the fact that Sasuke can't target all the summonings at once unless you have proof that he can. So the summonings still buy enough time and still serve their purpose.
You already said this and I addressed it above. Amaterasu is not needed to take down any summons nor does this create any diversion that lets Preta approach Susanoo and absorb it. Let's use common sense here. Summons block what's behind them, not what is side by side or in front of them since Preta will be approaching Sasuke himself.
No, it's not. He fought Danzo for over 10 minutes. Itachi was terminally ill on his deathbed and held it up for a few minutes. Sasuke was spamming Enton against Gaara. Stop trying to exaggerate stamina issues to make your argument look stronger than it actually is.
As I said, he held it up for 10 minutes but by the end it sure did take its toll on him. And we're arguing how Pein would counter it and maybe even take it down and I've already made my points which you seem to disagree and I don't find the points you've made convincing at all. So lets just agree to disagree as this won't go anywhere like this.
We aren't talking about physical strength, we are talking about overall strength. This comparison doesn't even make sense. Naruto being better at Taijutsu while Sasuke has better Ninjutsu doesn't result in the one with the better tactics winning. Zero correlation.
They both have their advantages over one another and the one having used better tactics would come on top. So tactics are every bit relevant and overall stregnth is claculated based on who can come on top and not on the rules you been trying to set to make Sasuke look superior.
Well I meant he could use an SM shadow clone like he used against Raikage not the same feat he pulled against him, anyone would realize that his fight with Raikage and against Sasuke are completely two different scenarios. I don't know what's so confusing about it that you're highlighting it so much.
Uh, no. It hit him and he used the Bijuu cloak to block it. That's not a physical reaction. He tossed it off AFTER getting hit thus that also isn't a reaction to him getting hit.
And the "!!" above him disprove you completely. SM Naruto having sensing doesn't mean he reacts faster than the Raikage. That also makes zero sense. Sensing improves your reaction. It doesn't make it superior to those who already have insanely fast reflexes. So unless SM Naruto has speed feats on par w/ Ay he doesn't dodge Amaterasu. Hebi Sasuke failed to dodge it against a man who wasn't trying to kill him. Pointless to mention.
Well SM Naruto was fast enough to dodge the third raikage's attack and use it against him at the same time. Base Naruto already countered amaterasu once using his cloak, SM would allow him to react to it much sooner and better. This should be obvious.
to use Kirin so I don't really want to see anyone try and claim that MS Sasuke doesn't have the stamina to pull it off without rendering himself useless. Amaterasu just makes it stronger.
I agree, dragon flame was enough but not quick enough to prepare for Kirin. He could further reduce the times by using amaterasu at the same time but while he's busy doing that one FRS might be coming tight towards him and he'll need to bring up his susanoo to deflect it. Now that sure would be taxing. That's what I said earlier as well.
Except you can't prove any of this so until then it's not valid in this argument. Yes, Naruto has time to beat Sasuke before he can use it, but he can't beat Sasuke at all let alone before Kirin is set up.
Nobody is lying here. In fact he counted on Izanagi to save him.
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His Izanagi lasted 60 seconds for each eye and he had to utilize every second of that to kill Sasuke, as long as its active he didn't have to care about dying. To think Danzo wasn't counting on Izanagi to save him each and every time is utter stupidity. You're the one in denial here and should Sasuke vs Danzo one more read.
Not really. Sasuke's attacks are widespread enough to kill Naruto along with his clones or kill clones at a rate that Naruto can't continuously spam them. Then we have the fact that SM has a time limit and wasting chakra on clones uses up chakra thus shortening that limit. You'll probably say "Ma and Pa", but it takes time to summon them as shown by Jiraiya.
As I said, he doesn't need to create a 1000 clones at once and in SM he can't anyway. Those 2-3 clones are menat to keep him busy and force him to use his jutsus. The real SM Naruto can always stay out of Sasuke's jutsu's AoE. Once Sasuke realizes this he'd want to engage the real Naruto and that's where frog kata takes him down.
Lmao this is probably the stupidest thing I've read from you yet. Sasuke is equipped with techniques fast and widespread enough to wipe out a large number of foes yet you think 4 Narutos are going to be so hard to kill that he wastes his entire reserves dealing with them?
Yeah, not chance kiddo. Susanoo Arrow picks them off one by one, or Amaterasu picks them all off at once. Or Kirin one shots. Or Susanoo engages them in close combat and buttrapes them, and I could go own.
Why would I care about a V1 Susanoo Sasuke when we are talking about a full power Sasuke? Are you really this daft? Ay was going to crash straight into Amaterasu and set himself on fire. That's a tie as Ay cannot put out those flames. That's a fact. Meanwhile there's actually a small chance Sasuke would survive the Guillotine Drop but I don't expect you delusional fanboys to be unbiased in a discussion involving your favorite character.
@Bold Well I was expecting a suasage faps last resort, name calling while acting like they're completely unbiased lol. Please don't lie to yourself.
Nice facfic though. Sasuke without susanoo cover was going to survive the Guillotine Drop...
You throw around words like "tactics" yet the understanding of what "tactics" actually are and how they are employed based on situation are clearly out of your grasp. I can't take criticism from someone who thinks Naruto can survive Kirin, and that him spamming the same 2 or 3 clones will some how win him this fight.
Yet I am the only one who provided any real tactics to wreck Sasuke while you've been claiming enton this and kirin that bla bla bla while everyone would just stand there and take it lol. What a load of crap.
Yeah but the distance Naruto and Pein started was almost twice the distance from where Sasuke fired at Kakashi. So almost twice the time to respond and anyway you keep asking me to provide proof of Preta being as fast as Kakashi, why don't you prove he's slower instead of specualting just about everything
Like I said, starting distance doesn't matter because Sasuke isn't immobile. :lol The rest is irrelevant. If you want to claim Pain can do something Kakashi failed to do, prove it or gtfo.
Since we're going it at the way Naruto and Peins fight went then you should know Naruto didn't receive intel about Naraka's abilities right away. Which renders your entire argument pointless. As for enton not requiring as much chakra it still doesn't take away from the fact that Sasuke can't target all the summonings at once unless you have proof that he can. So the summonings still buy enough time and still serve their purpose.
Not really. Once Naraka revives someone Sasuke gets the intel and kills him. The rest is also irrelevant. He doesn't need to target them all at once nor do they serve their purpose for anything as your stated purpose was to wear Sasuke out, but of course that is nonsense because Enton won't use up all his stamina nor do they cover Preta's approach.
Preta approaching side by side is just wishful thinking :lol.
Nagato is not dumb to approach an MS user directly so another pointless argument.
That's exactly what your trash argument has him doing.
As I said, he held it up for 10 minutes but by the end it sure did take its toll on him. And we're arguing how Pein would counter it and maybe even take it down and I've already made my points which you seem to disagree and I don't find the points you've made convincing at all. So lets just agree to disagree as this won't go anywhere like this.
This won't go anywhere because you don't want to properly address my points, but whatever floats your boat.
They both have their advantages over one another and the one having used better tactics would come on top. So tactics are every bit relevant and overall stregnth is claculated based on who can come on top and not on the rules you been trying to set to make Sasuke look superior.
Lmao I could explain this to you but you clearly don't want to understand because you are so fixated on your fan war that you don't care about good discussion. All I'll say is tactics aren't power. End of story.
Well I meant he could use an SM shadow clone like he used against Raikage not the same feat he pulled against him, anyone would realize that his fight with Raikage and against Sasuke are completely two different scenarios. I don't know what's so confusing about it that you're highlighting it so much.
Lmao who cares? That's not the argument. Did he or did he not? He did not so your point is moot.
Well SM Naruto was fast enough to dodge the third raikage's attack and use it against him at the same time. Base Naruto already countered amaterasu once using his cloak, SM would allow him to react to it much sooner and better. This should be obvious.
Irrelevant. Is SM Naruto faster or as fast as Ay? Yes or no? Post a feat or stop making excuses. Base Naruto's mental reaction is irrelevant. SM Naruto dodging Ay III doesn't make him as fast as Ay IV when Ay IV is faster than Ay III.
I agree, dragon flame was enough but not quick enough to prepare for Kirin. He could further reduce the times by using amaterasu at the same time but while he's busy doing that one FRS might be coming tight towards him and he'll need to bring up his susanoo to deflect it. Now that sure would be taxing. That's what I said earlier as well.
Kirin hit right in front of it. He wasn't caught in the blast.
Nobody is lying here. In fact he counted on Izanagi to save him.
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And here he's checking on it again after being stabbed for the last time
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His Izanagi lasted 60 seconds for each eye and he had to utilize every second of that to kill Sasuke, as long as its active he didn't have to care about dying. To think Danzo wasn't counting on Izanagi to save him each and every time is utter stupidity. You're the one in denial here and should Sasuke vs Danzo one more read.
Stop being an idiot for one second and read what you reply to. You claimed Danzo was fighting foolishly because he had Izanagi. I said that is false, he was relying on it because Sasuke was simply to powerful to fight without Izanagi and your scans prove it. Danzo didn't want to undo it because if he did he'd be dead in a heartbeat. I never once said he wasn't utilizing Izanagi because he needed it.
Like I said, lying gets you nowhere. Lying about the Manga and what I said gets you nowhere.
As I said, he doesn't need to create a 1000 clones at once and in SM he can't anyway. Those 2-3 clones are menat to keep him busy and force him to use his jutsus. The real SM Naruto can always stay out of Sasuke's jutsu's AoE. Once Sasuke realizes this he'd want to engage the real Naruto and that's where frog kata takes him down.
Except you've yet to show that this scenario takes place. 4 Naruto's on the field at once. None can dodge Susanoo Arrow, none can dodge Kirin, none can dodge Amaterasu yet somehow Naruto spamming the same clones over and over again results in Sasuke losing. :lol Just imagine being this daft. Like I said, don't ever quote me if you are going to act like a moron once you get a response.
Like I said, starting distance doesn't matter because Sasuke isn't immobile. :lol The rest is irrelevant. If you want to claim Pain can do something Kakashi failed to do, prove it or gtfo.
Not really. Once Naraka revives someone Sasuke gets the intel and kills him. The rest is also irrelevant. He doesn't need to target them all at once nor do they serve their purpose for anything as your stated purpose was to wear Sasuke out, but of course that is nonsense because Enton won't use up all his stamina nor do they cover Preta's approach.
That's exactly what your trash argument has him doing.
This won't go anywhere because you don't want to properly address my points, but whatever floats your boat.
Lmao I could explain this to you but you clearly don't want to understand because you are so fixated on your fan war that you don't care about good discussion. All I'll say is tactics aren't power. End of story.
Nope. It's your opinion backed by no fact.
Then say what you mean kiddo.
@bold: Not until he gets EMS. The rest is irrelevant and not a rebuttal to what I said.
Lmao who cares? That's not the argument. Did he or did he not? He did not so your point is moot.
Irrelevant. Is SM Naruto faster or as fast as Ay? Yes or no? Post a feat or stop making excuses. Base Naruto's mental reaction is irrelevant. SM Naruto dodging Ay III doesn't make him as fast as Ay IV when Ay IV is faster than Ay III.
Amaterasu isn't needed for Kirin as I've already explained and shown you. So none of this matters.
Sasuke was on top of the stone slate.
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Kirin hit right in front of it. He wasn't caught in the blast.
Stop being an idiot for one second and read what you reply to. You claimed Danzo was fighting foolishly because he had Izanagi. I said that is false, he was relying on it because Sasuke was simply to powerful to fight without Izanagi and your scans prove it. Danzo didn't want to undo it because if he did he'd be dead in a heartbeat. I never once said he wasn't utilizing Izanagi because he needed it.
Like I said, lying gets you nowhere. Lying about the Manga and what I said gets you nowhere.
Except you've yet to show that this scenario takes place. 4 Naruto's on the field at once. None can dodge Susanoo Arrow, none can dodge Kirin, none can dodge Amaterasu yet somehow Naruto spamming the same clones over and over again results in Sasuke losing. :lol Just imagine being this daft. Like I said, don't ever quote me if you are going to act like a moron once you get a response.
As I already said I am done with your non sense, repeating the same crap over and over again isn't gonna change anything nor is it going to get another response from me. So you don't have to worry, enjoy your fanfics...:lol.
PS: For those uchiha faps who keep disliking my posts, you'll have many more such opportunities..:th:
We already knew this. SM Naruto have nothing that can breach Sasuke's Susano'o. Only sad thing is Kishimoto gave MS a nerf with the blindness and the hurting cells/backlash. While in SM it give no such nerf unless the user is hella fatigued and lose SM which get cast from the sage mode onto their base form.
SM Naruto failed to beat (and was going to be captured had kurama not intervened) pein a bigger threat than ay which sasuke without V2, V3, and V4 Susanoo was about to tie with
You ignore the stipulations of that battle. Naruto had prep time, intelligence and a ton of help.. pain fought the entire village before he faced Naruto... just let that sink in.
You ignore the stipulations of that battle. Naruto had prep time, intelligence and a ton of help.. pain fought the entire village before he faced Naruto... just let that sink in.
SM Naruto had prep, prior intel, people had already fought Pain before he jumped in AND Deva Path was gimped at the start of the fight yet Naruto still got his ass whooped and was forced to rely on Kurama to snag the win. I always chuckle when rabid Naruto supporters or the typical mentally challenged poster tries to use "Naruto beat Pain" as a feat to prove his power in Sage Mode.
Is this still going on? Mangafacts SM capable Naruto admits he's no match for 3 tomoe Sasuke. Naruto says he needs kurama chakra for beating 3 tomoe Sasuke. MS sharingan Sasuke violates SM Naruto like the little child he is.
Anything outside of this is fanfic.
Naruto was still exhausted from training. Ans like i said in base mode. Sasuke was at full power while danzo had just used his strongest jutsu. And anyway kakuza>>>>>danzo naruto was in base sasuke had ms.
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You ignore the stipulations of that battle. Naruto had prep time, intelligence and a ton of help.. pain fought the entire village before he faced Naruto... just let that sink in.
...that's common sense.
