MS Sasuke was a level above SM Naruto

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Is this still going on? Mangafacts SM capable Naruto admits he's no match for 3 tomoe Sasuke. Naruto says he needs kurama chakra for beating 3 tomoe Sasuke. MS sharingan Sasuke violates SM Naruto like the little child he is.
Anything outside of this is fanfic.

He said he couldn't win against Sasuke. Which is true, and neither could Sasuke against Naruto. They would kill each other.

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It's like chapter 670 went over everyone's head.



Neither Naruto or Sasuke win against each other prior to the events of the last arc.
 

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You ignore the stipulations of that battle. Naruto had prep time, intelligence and a ton of help.. pain fought the entire village before he faced Naruto... just let that sink in.

Pain fought the entire village? U mean just kakashi choji, chojis dad and konohamuru. Naruto was given intel mid fight not before he got there. He was also in an incomplete sm form with his power cut in half with his clones gathering senjutsu he couldn't even use more than 3 clones. Pain had intel from shizune whatever her name is and also he had fought jirayia who used sm he had intel as well plus he had the ****ing rinnegan!!! Do u sasuke faps understand that of course kurama would be needed lol. Naruto still won. Just let that sink in
 

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Lol specifically this guy always gets ass hurt when someone speaks negatively of his fav:lol

Isn't that the case with every Sausage/Uchiha fap? Push them a bit and their butthurt begins to show up lol.
 

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What makes it different from sasuke's fight he had assistance as well and couldn't accomplice his goal?
Ay didn't also fight them alone, his bodyguards were with him. and that was a sasuke nowhere near his peak strength with MS which is what is being argued here.
 

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Ay didn't also fight them alone, his bodyguards were with him. and that was a sasuke nowhere near his peak strength with MS which is what is being argued here.

Isn't it being argued who has a bigger fears sm Naruto or ms sasuke to me anyways it's clearly Naruto, Naruto beat pein and while sasuke still had ms he beat danzo which he more so beat with regular sharingan genjutsu
 

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Is this Pain Arc Naruto or War Naruto?

Because there's obvious gap between the two in proficiency when using sage mode.
 

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Pain fought the entire village? U mean just kakashi choji, chojis dad and konohamuru. Naruto was given intel mid fight not before he got there. He was also in an incomplete sm form with his power cut in half with his clones gathering senjutsu he couldn't even use more than 3 clones. Pain had intel from shizune whatever her name is and also he had fought jirayia who used sm he had intel as well plus he had the ****ing rinnegan!!! Do u sasuke faps understand that of course kurama would be needed lol. Naruto still won. Just let that sink in
No I mean the entire village. Pain got tired of ninjas running out of the wood work so he use ST and destroyed the entire village. I don't care if Naruto Sage mode was incomplete, don't use his battle against pain when he didn't beat pain by himself. Kurama isn't Sage mode so stop with the BS.
 

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He said he couldn't win against Sasuke. Which is true, and neither could Sasuke against Naruto. They would kill each other.

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It's like chapter 670 went over everyone's head.



Neither Naruto or Sasuke win against each other prior to the events of the last arc.

You miss the point Naruto knew he couldn't beat 3 tomoe Sasuke, He knew nothing of MS Sasuke. If we accept what you say is true Naruto said they'd kill each other sm naruto and 3 tomoe Sasuke correct. So therefore MS Sasuke stomps SM naruto its really quite obvious once you rationalise it.
 

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Really? So juugo didnt help?? Nor gaara? Nor suigetsu? And ay had darui lol

No they didn't. Why Ay and Sasuke start fighting, it was just them two, until Garry interfered.
 

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Isn't it being argued who has a bigger fears sm Naruto or ms sasuke to me anyways it's clearly Naruto, Naruto beat pein and while sasuke still had ms he beat danzo which he more so beat with regular sharingan genjutsu

And this is the problem.. 'Naruto beat pain'. No he pain, with prep, intell, help from hinita , toads and Kurama..
 

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Is this Pain Arc Naruto or War Naruto?

Because there's obvious gap between the two in proficiency when using sage mode.

It's peek sage mode and open MS, but Naruto's fans excuse is he beat pain so he can beat Sasuke.
 

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You miss the point Naruto knew he couldn't beat 3 tomoe Sasuke, He knew nothing of MS Sasuke. If we accept what you say is true Naruto said they'd kill each other sm naruto and 3 tomoe Sasuke correct. So therefore MS Sasuke stomps SM naruto its really quite obvious once you rationalise it.

He said Sasuke, not 3t sasuke, ms sasuke or any variation. He knew he couldn't just "beat Sasuke" it wasn't that simple as both of them were tied by a fate that spanned multiple generations.

You're re-writing the narrative that Naruto couldn't beat Sasuke due to him being inferior when that isn't the case. Prior to him meeting Hagoromo, it could be argued that Naruto felt he could not defeat Sasuke due to him being weaker.

The point kishi made was that they've been on par with each other since the pain arc and beyond. Whether or not MS Sasuke has a "level" on Naruto or not is irrelevant as the plot and narrative of the story supersedes your opinion on who would win.

They both kill each other or neither survive the fight, either way the result is the same.

Arguing this is asinine unless you're willing to throw away plot points and the narrative in which case there's no point in debating a vs battle when it comes down to subjective opinion in the end. I honestly cant see any fan of either side actually coming to agreement on who wins.

With that being said, it's stupid to argue this as no one is going to agree. You're going to leave this thread thinking/knowing/feeling Sasuke wins and Naruto fans are going to leave feeling the same way about Naruto.


What i'm saying is that within the confines of the plot, they both kill each other.

It's peek sage mode and open MS, but Naruto's fans excuse is he beat pain so he can beat Sasuke.

That's A>B>C logic. That's not even remotely arguable. I don't want to go into detail about who I think wins when I know they both end up dying. Maybe if this was a Spar it would be different.
 
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No they didn't. Why Ay and Sasuke start fighting, it was just them two, until Garry interfered.

What?? Ay didnt fight sasuke until juugo was out the way. Sasuke then tried to blitz. Suigetsu saved him also when ay blitzed him after the failed genjutsu. And still thats ay compared to pain lol
 

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And this is the problem.. 'Naruto beat pain'. No he pain, with prep, intell, help from hinita , toads and Kurama..

Prep? When did he prep he didnt even know konoha was being attacked lol. Like i said before pain had intel also he had help from hinata? More than sasuke had help at the summit?? I think not dude. Toads fought summons so big deal. Pain had multiple bodies its not like Naruto was jumping him or anything. So whats ur point plus the rinnegan visual link helps the coordinate attacks and dodge when not looking.
 

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Isn't it being argued who has a bigger fears sm Naruto or ms sasuke to me anyways it's clearly Naruto, Naruto beat pein and while sasuke still had ms he beat danzo which he more so beat with regular sharingan genjutsu
He got the better of pein with assistance from kurama who has nothing to do with sm power so that logic of why he beats sasuke doesn't fly. what is being argued is who is stronger, period. you not even showing why naruto would win, just relying on bad logic says it all.
 

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So ya'll just gonna ignore the plot and narrative to argue about ya favs, huh?
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That's how ya'll roll?
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Man, **** yall then...
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People saying SM Naruto beat Pain seems to forgot that he landed like 1 kick on Deva through the entire fight, and that was also when Deva didn't have his powers. Kyuubi not only saved Naruto from getting captured, but it was kyuubi in 6 tails form that was fighting deva, forced him to use CT and weakened him much enough, so Naruto could stand a chance of finishing him.

Can SM Naruto do this for example? I don't think so
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Don't get me wrong, im not hating on Naruto, but saying he beat Rinnegan user all by himself with just SM is just retarded. There's nothing wrong with it, that just a typical example of plot shield that MC has, but stop saying he beat rinnegan just with SM alone. It's like saying Momoshiki was beaten by Boruto because he landed a final hit which killed him. Of course difference is Naruto used his own jutsu and power which killed deva, but only after kyuubi weakened him, and fact is Naruto did nothing to Deva when they were fighting in the village.
 

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Lmao at people saying that SM naruto was defeated by pain. What a load of bs.
 
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