MS Sasuke was a level above SM Naruto

[Detonator99]

You are the only one here with the terrible comprehensive skills, Ay was doing a downward kick on Sasuke.
The flames on the other hand spread to Ay's ass, as shown in the close up, I mean the scan is right here:

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Ay wasn't trying to sit on the flames, the flames wanted Ay to sit on them.:lol

You still trying to imply that ay was going to sit his ass on the flames...Wow.
The scan shows nothing about the flames reaching his ass its just shows his pants and his pants aren't located on his ass only by the way,

You know somone is desperate when he starts throwing offensive insults like a 12 years old, then again I doubt you have the mind of an adult in the first place so it's an expected event.:lol

It doesn't matter why Sasuke made the black flames, the main idea is that :
1-He saw Ay use shunshin to blitz him but lost sight of him due to his speed.
2-He managed to put up a shield of black flames before Ay manged to blitz him.

You act like he straight up wen't traight to him from the begining he still had time to activate his shield of flames when he dodged his amaterasu but fine call it what ever you want as long as you stop whining.

That's a mental reaction, I honestly don't know why you can't understand that, I know Sasuke rustled your jimmies but this is pushing it.:Sparks:

Says the guy who was saying that the raikage was going to deliberately sit on his flame just so you could call the match a draw rather then having one side having his face completely mushed and the other just lose a leg?Thats Rich!!

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

ok, last time i checked soosano is his ability so what exactly is your point? t

just sayin

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

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Get out of here with your BS please

Wtf are stupid? I just said it meant equal, just like your link said. Please stfu, you're lost.

Well since you're ignorant of the word "on par" means, by the context of the sentence alone you should know that it means to be roughly equal.

Lol thats from chapter 671 or so, what you fool can't seem to accept its that it contradicts your claim about him needing streng to defeat sasuke, it was never the reason of him needing kurama

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Are you retarded?
Naruto saying you can't beat by Sasuke by being strong is chapter 488 and Naruto saying he needs the kyubi's chakra to fight Sasuke is chapter 490.

Chapter 671 said that he sensed Indra, he said nothing about what he needs to beat Sasuke in that chapter.
Is English not your first language or something? I can tell you have no idea about what you're saying. I'm being serious too.

Bigger doesn't always mean stronger that amaterasu that sasuke used doesn't have feats that put him anywhere near the giant futton rasenshuriken that he used on the war because the simple fact that a simple rasenshuriken done by sage mode was able to damage and paralize kurama for a while.

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Fire is stronger than Wind dummy. So even if it Sasuke uses a small amatersu, wind shuriken would just make it bigger and stronger.

And kurama has better durabilty the hachibi since hachibi literally was damged by his own biju dama on the fight against the 10 tails meanhwile kurama has been eating her own bijudamas for breakfast something that gyuki has never done (He never swallow then just fired then like a lazer beam).

1. Kurama does not have better durability than Hachibi
2. Both Bijuu tanked the juubi laser
3. A biju bomb can destroy a mountain, while naruto's wind shuriken can't. Kurama taking damage from wind shuriken is nothing to be proud of. You literally tried to compare a biju bomb to a rasengan? Wtf are you dense?

So if simple rasenshuriken could do that to kurama that has better durability then gyuki then imagine a giant rasenshuriken? There is literally no contest MS sasuke has nothing in his arsenal that can rival that attack.

A mountain busting attack is a better durabiity feat. :|

They never retreated.

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[Rikudou Tobi]

he didnt beat bee let him take a piece of his tail how was that beating bee?

He beat him because be had to run and hide. Running away is losing.

and if it wasnt for susanoo 4 raikage would have killed ms sasuke

Okay yeah, so? Susanoo is part of Ms power is it not? And if it wasn't for Gaara, Raikage would've died to inferno spikes. Raikage lost that match, he got saved by another kage.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Your joking right? Sm hashi and ms/ems madara? Hello?

Hashirama's sage mode is special nobody else has displayed it and it's connected to Mokuton. Foderuto's on the other hand is common and well fodder even requiring outside assistance for it. Besides we're not aware of Hashi fought Madara alone since in the next panel you see othet injured Senju including Tobirama. Final fight it was used against kyubi no proof it was effective or useful against Madara.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

You still trying to imply that ay was going to sit his ass on the flames...Wow.

There's only 2 possiblities here, it's either you are extremely slow, or you're just in denial, so I will assume it's the former, be a nice guy, and waste some more of my time to explain it to you.

1- Ay jumped and was aiming to kick Sasuke:

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2-Sasuke mentally reacts(again) and forms a wall of black flames:

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3-Sasuke creates spikes that were reaching Ay's ass, Ay is midfall, he was not trying to sit on it:

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Hope this helps, but I wouldn't be surprised if didn't.:bdpf:

The scan shows nothing about the flames reaching his ass its just shows his pants and his pants aren't located on his ass only by the way,

Denial much? :lol

That's clearly his ass, it's the only round thing in the panels before it, and the close up makes it obvious.

I've never seen someone go to such extreme heights of hate for Sasuke since Complexcity.

They both would've died, get over it.:lol

You act like he straight up wen't traight to him from the begining he still had time to activate his shield of flames when he dodged his amaterasu but fine call it what ever you want as long as you stop whining.

The only one whining here is you, Sasuke managed to put up a shield of black flames before Ay managed to reach him, and he did so twice but your hate for Sasuke clouds your eyes as usual.:bdpf:

Says the guy who was saying that the raikage was going to deliberately sit on his flame just so you could call the match a draw rather then having one side having his face completely mushed and the other just lose a leg?Thats Rich!!

No, one of them was going to get crushed, the other was going to get his entire lower section impaled by black flames.:elmo:

Honestly, you should be thankful that I'm actually still replying to your salty ass, if it were some other sane person, they would've stopped responding the moment you said "Sasuke reacted to Ay by shear luck".:bdpf:

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Hashirama's sage mode is special nobody else has displayed it and it's connected to Mokuton. Foderuto's on the other hand is common and well fodder even requiring outside assistance for it. Besides we're not aware of Hashi fought Madara alone since in the next panel you see othet injured Senju including Tobirama. Final fight it was used against kyubi no proof it was effective or useful against Madara.

It's says they fought a bunch dude, not just the 2 or 3 times we've seen. You said no sm user has ever matched an ms user, thats incorrect, madara even talks about how nasty hashis healing in sage mode is...that one time wasn't the only time hashi used his sm...not only did that sm user best an ms user, he also bested the same dude using ems and the kyuubi as well

 

[Amenotejikara]

Lol no, BSM has senjutsu in it so it's much more powerful than regular BM, it's like the difference between SM to base Naruto.:lol

Boost is there but not big enough of a difference from his BM counterpart versus perfect susanoo. lmao @bold, no that would be a good comparison for GKS sasuke to taka sasuke. for this case it's more like cs2 to base hebi against itachi. Therefore most of BSM strength is from BM. at best, it heightens his reflexes due to sensory but then again his kurama reflexes is so ridiculous op wouldn't change much until RSM.

 

[To Whatever]

Lolz they were never truly equal in this series. Never. Especially outside of vote. Hebi raped naruto, sage mode raped hebi, MS raped sage mode, kcm outlast ms, ems stomps kcm, bm above ems. Etc etc. This should be common knowledge by now that MS sasuke at the time he fought danzo merks sage mode.

You lack the basic understanding that not being equal automatically guarantees one wins over the other. It's a manga fact that they both kill each other if they fought any time past jiraiya and itachi death. You're arguing that the curse and fate linked to them would not it occur because Sasuke would win. That would contradict the manga entirely.

Stop with the bs bro. Is King of pop the only one with common sense?

 

[SenseiSama]

No he didn't.

It was already explained why Naruto said he needed kurama to fight him, it was because he sensed indra inside him which the sage confirmed when naruto was speaking to him.

Sasuke was also pretty much completely blind, SM naruto > an almost completely blind MS sasuke



Sasuke didn't keep up at all with v2 raikage.

The very fact he couldn't keep up with him is why he used his enton shield to try to discourage him from attacking, Even karin said sasuke couldn't keep up with him.

Sasuke kept up with him with no trouble, or maybe you missed the part he dodged Ay's lightning spear with 3T Sharingan, by that logic MS should allow him to dodge v2 cloak.


Only reason his Amaterasu missed is because

1) Chakra build up is slow as he's still new to using MS

2) He didn't have intel on Raikage's shunshin speed

3) Raikage had intel on Amaterasu and Mangekyo in general



And Naruto said he needed Kurama because he knew he stood no chance even though Sasuke was blind. Indra's power would've continued getting stronger before Sasuke fully loses his eyesight while Ashura's chakra still hadn't started to bloom.

 

[Amenotejikara]

You lack the basic understanding that not being equal automatically guarantees one wins over the other. It's a manga fact that they both kill each other if they fought any time past jiraiya and itachi death. You're arguing that the curse and fate linked to them would not it occur because Sasuke would win. That would contradict the manga entirely.

Stop with the bs bro. Is King of pop the only one with common sense?

lol then you need to re-read the manga and comprehend what's it's saying because that's exactly what it means. Not being equal puts one of them above, it's that simple. your laughable logic only applies to extreme circumstances such as space-time of minato/obito would just flee from superior opponents waiting for them to run out of chakra like against itachi, obviously that is not the case between MS vs SM comparison of naruto vs sasuke. perhaps if sasuke had ninjutsu absorption to deal with naruto I would be inclined to agree but kishi clearly intended sasuke to not use it in vote2.

"it's mangafact that they both kill each other each other if they fought any time past jiraiya and itachi death "

then you don't know what mangafacts is because that's fanfic. lol at best, it would be blind sasuke dying with naruto but that's only because it came out of his own words iirc and even then that's a reach that would only favor the capacity of sasuke's skills that blurred vision would still push naruto to resort to suicide(then later kurama)

 

[To Whatever]

lol then you need to re-read the manga and comprehend what's it's saying because that's exactly what it means. Not being equal puts one of them above, it's that simple. your laughable logic only applies to extreme circumstances such as space-time of minato/obito would just flee from superior opponents waiting for them to run out of chakra like against itachi, obviously that is not the case between MS vs SM comparison of naruto vs sasuke. perhaps if sasuke had ninjutsu absorption to deal with naruto I would be inclined to agree but kishi clearly intended sasuke to not use it in vote2.

"it's mangafact that they both kill each other each other if they fought any time past jiraiya and itachi death "

then you don't know what mangafacts is because that's fanfic. lol at best, it would be blind sasuke dying with naruto but that's only because it came out of his own words iirc and even then that's a reach that would only favor the capacity of sasuke's skills that blurred vision would still push naruto to resort to suicide(then later kurama)

It's the author's words through Naruto. Naruto foreshadowing the end result at that moment because he felt Indra. It isn't fanfic. The bs narrative you're making is.

Naruto and Sasuke are not equal but on par with one another that's a fundamental fact the author stated outside the manga and heavily implied inside of it especially with how Vote 2 ended. They were never equal, even now they have their own strength and weaknesses.

You're letting your bias towards Sasuke cloud your judgement. They are on par with each other and at any moment before they fought Kaguya and talked to Hagoromo they would have killed each other due to the curse.

Keep being a Sasuke fap that doesn't understand the basics of foreshadowing and writing.

 

[Amenotejikara]

It's the author's words through Naruto. Naruto foreshadowing the end result at that moment because he felt Indra. It isn't fanfic. The bs narrative you're making is.

Naruto and Sasuke are not equal but on par with one another that's a fundamental fact the author stated outside the manga and heavily implied inside of it especially with how Vote 2 ended. They were never equal, even now they have their own strength and weaknesses.

You're letting your bias towards Sasuke cloud your judgement. They are on par with each other and at any moment before they fought Kaguya and talked to Hagoromo they would have killed each other due to the curse.

Keep being a Sasuke fap that doesn't understand the basics of foreshadowing and writing.

i don't know whose the delusional retard that told you this desperate reach that in itself proves nothing anyway but it's directly false to begin with because it's clear kishi pulled the indra/ashura crap out of his ass at the last minute just the same he pulled kaguya last sec in the series to deal with his error of making madara have no weakness.

madara was also on par with hashi and former still got his ass handed to him even with kurama's help. your point is moot. also, the kishi words through naruto works both ways, naruto still said twice he needed kurama to face sasuke. lmao


Even thou I said naruto using his kurama mode outclasses pretty much every comparable sasuke? lol no, i'll tell you whose the real fapper here. it's the one who seriously believes naruto is superior to every mangekyou+ sasuke in the series despite the manga painfully made it obvious that MS would stomp SM and yet you say I'm the one whose judgement is clouded - lmao @ curse, you realize that same curse applied to hashi and madara right? where was the "kill each other" part there? i'll wait.


if you want to play the narrative sh!t game then I can play too. Manga says ashura and his transmigrant successors became strong by relying on his comrades while indra relied on himself. obviously in naruto's case, kurama would be his comrade to defeat sasuke. no where would comrade apply to sage mode alone. it would require the benefits of kurama for him to contend with sasuke which has and will always be the point of the series. Kurama + Naruto >= Sasuke. 2v1. remove that kurama factor then it's obviously Sasuke > Naruto 1v1. and inb4 the 8.5 nonsense, it's meaningless because 8.5 is to combat someone who isn't fighting on their own. period

 

[Nick01]

I praise Naruto but even i must admit 3 tomeo blind Sasuke gets destroyed by SM Naruto as per his admission. At times I let the truth overcome me but today I must embrace it. So logic dictates this is the appropriate order.


SM Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind 3 Romeo Sasuke (as per Naruto's admission)
KCM Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 Tomeo Hebi Sasuke
BM Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MS Sasuke
BSM Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>EMS Sasuke w/ PS
Restricted RSM Naruto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>unnerfed Rinnegan Sasuke

I couldn't agree more I'm glad you always bring in the truthfic. Maybe someday I'll be as mature as you.
Also my salt levels are still pretty high and my butt still aches from the soloing you've been doing this past few days.(Am applying butthurt cream as we speak), so don't mind the delusional posts I'll be making anytime soon. As for me and my fap buddies, we'll do what we can to try to make our posts a bit more logical than the fanfic we've been spouting.

No worries. Hope you get better.

He needed Itachi's eyes because he was going blind. Ms Sasuke smashes Sm naruto all fanboying aside. The fact that Naruto admitted that he needed nine tails chakra already convinced me kcm is on par with Ms Sasuke.

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He also wanted to fight Naruto with everything he had and going by what went down even if he wasn't going blind, getting Itachi's eyes was a necessity in order for Sasuke to stand a chance against Naruto. I've already thought of what MS Sasuke and SM Naruto can potentially do and I just don't see MS Sasuke winning. His best bet is Susanoo. Also the pain arc SM Naruto isn't the strongest SM version. The more experience he has w/ SM the superior it becomes. Kcm is more along the lines of EMS Sasuke (not including PS).

Sasuke got beat because he held back, when they decided to go for the kill, that's when he defeated bee. This was way before Ms sasuke gained Susanoo too:

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He got beat the first time for underestimating him. After this :

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He got beat again :

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Also it wasn't just Sasuke, it was the whole team vs bee.

 

[To Whatever]

i don't know whose the delusional retard that told you this desperate reach that in itself proves nothing anyway but it's directly false to begin with because it's clear kishi pulled the indra/ashura crap out of his ass at the last minute just the same he pulled kaguya last sec in the series to deal with his error of making madara have no weakness.

madara was also on par with hashi and former still got his ass handed to him even with kurama's help. your point is moot. also, the kishi words through naruto works both ways, naruto still said twice he needed kurama to face sasuke. lmao


Even thou I said naruto using his kurama mode outclasses pretty much every comparable sasuke? lol no, i'll tell you whose the real fapper here. it's the one who seriously believes naruto is superior to every mangekyou+ sasuke in the series despite the manga painfully made it obvious that MS would stomp SM and yet you say I'm the one whose judgement is clouded - lmao @ curse, you realize that same curse applied to hashi and madara right? where was the "kill each other" part there? i'll wait.


if you want to play the narrative sh!t game then I can play too. Manga says ashura and his transmigrant successors became strong by relying on his comrades while indra relied on himself. obviously in naruto's case, kurama would be his comrade to defeat sasuke. no where would comrade apply to sage mode alone. it would require the benefits of kurama for him to contend with sasuke which has and will always be the point of the series. Kurama + Naruto >= Sasuke. 2v1. remove that kurama factor then it's obviously Sasuke > Naruto 1v1. and inb4 the 8.5 nonsense, it's meaningless because 8.5 is to combat someone who isn't fighting on their own. period

They kill each other if they fight. Get over it. Naruto and kishimoto foreshadowed it at the bridge.

Hagoromo confirmed it so Indra and ashura were a thing early on.

Naruto vs Sasuke they both die

 

[take it easy]

Who cares ? In the end Naruto >>>> Sasuke without plot protection. Kishi said and showed this.

 

[Amazeballs]

Danzou breached Susano'o with a weak wind jutsu, so Naruto defintely can breach if he has, say, a clone hit Susano'o from behind with a Rasengan or Rasenshuriken. I agree that SM Naruto probably can't breach it from the front, since the sword can swat away most attacks and it's harder to approach.

Sasuke's stamina is awful with basic MS, and he can't waste any time attacking Naruto's clones. In that sense, Naruto is an even worse opponent for him than Danzou. We also know that Sage Mode allows one to dodge Amaterasu or Susano'o arrows, since Kabuto did so with ease.

Don't forget, SM Naruto CAN use a few tails worth of Kyuubi chakra if Sage Mode runs out. The only reason that he didn't do so against Pain is that he was intentionally avoiding the use of Kyuubi chakra at the time (although the Kyuubi later seized control anyway, obviously). Naruto should have pushed his advantage with 1-3 tails of chakra before God Realm's power returned, but instead he wasted time stalling until he could re-enter Sage Mode. That doesn't take the option off the table against MS Sasuke, though.

 

[Exaar]

Sasuke kept up with him with no trouble, or maybe you missed the part he dodged Ay's lightning spear with 3T Sharingan, by that logic MS should allow him to dodge v2 cloak.

Sasuke only dodged V1 raikage.

The only attacks V2 raikage made was when he punched through susanoo and attempted to leg drop him.

And Naruto said he needed Kurama because he knew he stood no chance even though Sasuke was blind.

Naruto had never seen MS sasuke fight.

Besides i'd love to hear reasons how a blind MS sasuke defeated SM naruto.

 

[salamander uchiha]

It's says they fought a bunch dude, not just the 2 or 3 times we've seen. You said no sm user has ever matched an ms user, thats incorrect, madara even talks about how nasty hashis healing in sage mode is...that one time wasn't the only time hashi used his sm...not only did that sm user best an ms user, he also bested the same dude using ems and the kyuubi as well

Not once did madara say Hashirama healed bease of his sagemode that's fanfic right there. And like I said Hashirama's sage mode is different and neither did Madara praise it even when absorbed it he considered it pitiful. Like I said Hashirama's sagemode was seen being used against the kyubi but not agains Madara.
Nice fanfic though anyway noodles sagemode is fodder to compare it to Hashirama's is an insult only RSM is any match for Hashirama's.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Sasuke only dodged V1 raikage.

The only attacks V2 raikage made was when he punched through susanoo and attempted to leg drop him.





Naruto had never seen MS sasuke fight.

Besides i'd love to hear reasons how a blind MS sasuke defeated SM naruto.

Exactly Naruto only saw Hebi Sasuke fight and he saw a weakened Sasuke. Then he said he needed Kurama sm wasn't enough. That should tell you foderuto knew he stood no chance but his fapboys don't.